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Yes, I would. I would also teach Pliny's refutation that they are in error because they deny the gods their personalities.
You didn't answer my question. Do we have any reasonable basis to not accept that the physical forces in the universe were different in the past?
Actually Römer worked out the speed of light to be around 220,000 kps in the late 1600s. Our current measure of the speed of light is around 299,000 kps. It seems to me that our measurements are getting more precise, not that light is changing speed.
And have any such significant changes been found?
But it would only be an exception in those local areas affected, not the entire universe.
And you know what proved them wrong? It certainly wasn't baseless "what if" speculation. It was evidence. There is no evidence to suggest that the physical forces as we know them today operated in any differently in the past or operate differently away from Earth.
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Case in point! Thank you @USincognito! Given everything we've learnt, and now know about the universe, the various independent lines of investigation that all correlate to the same results and the complete lack of any conflicting evidence, we have to tentatively accept them at their face value then. They give us accurate modelling and precise results when predicting future events, and we've benefited immensely because of it to even consider discarding these working models just in case some preferred future piece of evidence that support one's preconceived world view...
and of course, they lacked much of the scientific evidence, measurements and observations, along with the precision instrumental technology we have today.
Hmmm, I missed it. Could you repeat for me please, or point me to the post where you expained it? I'm very interested in your explanation...
if Adam were actual, Agreed. So not fake in fact, as to be real?
In the same way the curvature of earth affects the route taken by an airplane coming here; if not allowed for by selecting the great circle route, the trip takes longer. Or perhaps the negative of that, depending on the location and curvature of the bend.
I don't have the time to make the computations either, but I am quite certain they could be specified in 4D matrix format. Just suppose, that the Bible is correct, and that the earth (and by implication, the whole universe) is made for man. Further, just suppose that men, since the year 1500, motivated by the desire to overturn the old order, began with the desire to make a logically coherent system that did not depend on religion. Further, suppose that the universe (by implication from the earth) responds to the will of man. Then the bending has been designed by men, to make the theory they want to see work, and the sky simply bent as expected by men. The bending would indeed be strange, but some of what men have designed that we see in law, history in custom, is no more bent and no more strange.
No, but we have no reasonable basis to suppose they are not, either. That is the point I am making.
Logic was invented in about 500BC. I have had students in my classes who never heard of logical communication until they learned it in French or English at missionary school. And I have had trouble with difficult logical passages being untranslatable from English to Spanish, due to the different paths the languages developed. So logic is something new. It also contains intrinsic paradoxes, and it is not fully established in human thought even now. I am not certain that it is wise to use logic to prove something far older, and that we allege is fundamental to the physical laws that produced us, our minds, and then logic.
They are not proved wrong. It is only Occam's razor that causes us to use the model with the simpler mathematics. But the world's oldest computer works by Greek geometry, where the math of the earth at center is simpler, and it does just fine. It is strictly cultural choice.
I'll give you the theory. We simply create a analogy to a complex pole (on a map from R3 to R3 in 6 dimensional space, rather than complex 4 d space) in-between us and the star in question. We can scale the diameter of disruption to smooth R3 created by the pole as desired, in order so that, as we approach the point at infinity, the two sides of the intersection of the path and the asymptote to infinity come within the Planck constant distance at precisely 1/2 the length travelled by light (at its agreed on speed) in the time we desire to delay the light.
