Hundreds of Experts Call on US

[Ana the Ist]

To put a stop to "gender affirming care", puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and surgeries for children.

Follow the science they said. The data is clear they said. Biological sex is a reality and should be considered important.

It's nice to see the sane doctors of other nations point out that the recent deceptions of the WPATH files (where whistleblowers at WPATH, the pseudo medical trans activists who came up with gender affirming care) and various other studies showing these treatments are in fact harmful to children.

Why are we lagging behind? Politics and money of course. You think that the people pushing this stuff will say "Oops? Sorry we permanently damaged your children." On an election year?

 

[AlexB23]

To put a stop to "gender affirming care", puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and surgeries for children.

Follow the science they said. The data is clear they said. Biological sex is a reality and should be considered important.

It's nice to see the sane doctors of other nations point out that the recent deceptions of the WPATH files (where whistleblowers at WPATH, the pseudo medical trans activists who came up with gender affirming care) and various other studies showing these treatments are in fact harmful to children.

Why are we lagging behind? Politics and money of course. You think that the people pushing this stuff will say "Oops? Sorry we permanently damaged your children." On an election year?

The Europeans know better than the Americans when it comes to common sense, for a lot of things. For instance, Sweden banned gender mutilation in 2023 for minors. God bless the Swedish for putting a stop to this woke trans nonsense.

Why is Sweden restricting hormone therapy and surgery for trans teens?

Sweden, a pioneer in LGBTQ rights, is now restricting gender-affirming treatments for minors, citing concerns about their long-term side effects.

www.euronews.com

 

[Gene2memE]

The 'American College of Pediatricians' are not experts. They don't represent either the consensus or the opinion of mainstream healthcare about sex and gender.

ACP is a fringe conservative/reactionary group with a specifically anti LGBTQ+ purpose, which is masquerading as a medical association. They collaborate with religious groups to attempt to impose religious - not scientific - beliefs as the standard for healthcare around sex and gender.

I think the best response to this is just to recycle Francis Collins' response to them, from 2010:

Statement from NIH Director Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D., in Response to the American College of Pediatricians

April 15, 2010

"It is disturbing for me to see special interest groups distort my scientific observations to make a point against homosexuality. The American College of Pediatricians pulled language out of context from a book I wrote in 2006 to support an ideology that can cause unnecessary anguish and encourage prejudice. The information they present is misleading and incorrect, and it is particularly troubling that they are distributing it in a way that will confuse school children and their parents."

Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
Director

 

[Occams Barber]

To put a stop to "gender affirming care", puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and surgeries for children.

Follow the science they said. The data is clear they said. Biological sex is a reality and should be considered important.

It's nice to see the sane doctors of other nations point out that the recent deceptions of the WPATH files (where whistleblowers at WPATH, the pseudo medical trans activists who came up with gender affirming care) and various other studies showing these treatments are in fact harmful to children.

Why are we lagging behind? Politics and money of course. You think that the people pushing this stuff will say "Oops? Sorry we permanently damaged your children." On an election year?

The Southern Poverty Law centre lists the American College of Pediatricians as an extreme hate group masquerading as a legitimate medical association:

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a fringe anti-LGBTQ hate group that masquerades as the premier U.S. association of pediatricians to push anti-LGBTQ junk science, primarily via far-right conservative media and filing amicus briefs in cases related to gay adoption and marriage equality.​

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ACPeds opposes adoption by LGBTQ couples, links homosexuality to pedophilia, endorses so-called reparative or sexual orientation conversion therapy for homosexual youth, believes transgender people have a mental illness and has called transgender health care for youth child abuse.​

American College of Pediatricians

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a fringe anti-LGBTQ hate group that masquerades as the premier U.S. association of pediatricians to push anti-LGBTQ junk science, primarily via far-right conservative media and filing amicus briefs in cases related to gay adoption and marriage...

www.splcenter.org

OB

 

[AlexB23]

The Southern Poverty Law centre lists the American College of Pediatricians as an extreme hate group masquerading as a legitimate medical association:

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a fringe anti-LGBTQ hate group that masquerades as the premier U.S. association of pediatricians to push anti-LGBTQ junk science, primarily via far-right conservative media and filing amicus briefs in cases related to gay adoption and marriage equality.​

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ACPeds opposes adoption by LGBTQ couples, links homosexuality to pedophilia, endorses so-called reparative or sexual orientation conversion therapy for homosexual youth, believes transgender people have a mental illness and has called transgender health care for youth child abuse.​

American College of Pediatricians

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a fringe anti-LGBTQ hate group that masquerades as the premier U.S. association of pediatricians to push anti-LGBTQ junk science, primarily via far-right conservative media and filing amicus briefs in cases related to gay adoption and marriage...

www.splcenter.org

OB

Hey, thank you for informing me on this. It is sad how an organization could have an innocent, professional name and be a hate group. Now, I am not for trans stuff, and am against the trans movement (especially them forcing the trans ideology on minors), but I will never support any hate groups.

I will steer clear of articles with American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) in it.

 

[jayem]

The Southern Poverty Law centre lists the American College of Pediatricians as an extreme hate group masquerading as a legitimate medical association:

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a fringe anti-LGBTQ hate group that masquerades as the premier U.S. association of pediatricians to push anti-LGBTQ junk science, primarily via far-right conservative media and filing amicus briefs in cases related to gay adoption and marriage equality.​

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ACPeds opposes adoption by LGBTQ couples, links homosexuality to pedophilia, endorses so-called reparative or sexual orientation conversion therapy for homosexual youth, believes transgender people have a mental illness and has called transgender health care for youth child abuse.​

American College of Pediatricians

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a fringe anti-LGBTQ hate group that masquerades as the premier U.S. association of pediatricians to push anti-LGBTQ junk science, primarily via far-right conservative media and filing amicus briefs in cases related to gay adoption and marriage...

www.splcenter.org

OB

Correct. The genuine, legitimate, bona fide professional organization is the American Academy of Pediatrics. Here's their web site:

Home | AAP

And here's their statement on gender-affirming care for young people:

AAP reaffirms gender-affirming care policy, authorizes systematic review of evidence to guide update

 

[Vambram]

Hey, thank you for informing me on this. It is sad how an organization could have an innocent, professional name and be a hate group. Now, I am not for trans stuff, and am against the trans movement (especially them forcing the trans ideology on minors), but I will never support any hate groups.

I will steer clear of articles with American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) in it.

The Southern Poverty Law center is a left-wing group, my brother. They routinely attack groups that are in favor of traditional, and common sense values, as being hate groups.

 

[AlexB23]

The Southern Poverty Law center is a left-wing group, my brother. They routinely attack groups that are in favor of traditional, and common sense values, as being hate groups.

Well, we all know the triple K group is a hate group, and the Southern Poverty Law Center labels that group as a hate group. But, I do see your point about the ACPeds. In fact, if people can not drink beer until 21+ in the US, then why are schools teaching this gender bending stuff to minors. It is gross in my opinion. That transgender stuff belongs in the bedroom, for consenting, atheist adults 21+ ideally, and should never enter into any Christian leadership role, or secular teaching role either.

So, are there any centrist or center-right organizations that keep track of hate crimes, @Occams Barber ? I am trying to use centrist sources myself more in my posts, and if I ever come across something that comes out of left-field or far-right field, then I can use a centrist source.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The Southern Poverty Law centre lists the American College of Pediatricians as an extreme hate group masquerading as a legitimate medical association:

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a fringe anti-LGBTQ hate group that masquerades as the premier U.S. association of pediatricians to push anti-LGBTQ junk science, primarily via far-right conservative media and filing amicus briefs in cases related to gay adoption and marriage equality.​

​

ACPeds opposes adoption by LGBTQ couples, links homosexuality to pedophilia, endorses so-called reparative or sexual orientation conversion therapy for homosexual youth, believes transgender people have a mental illness and has called transgender health care for youth child abuse.​

American College of Pediatricians

The American College of Pediatricians (ACPeds) is a fringe anti-LGBTQ hate group that masquerades as the premier U.S. association of pediatricians to push anti-LGBTQ junk science, primarily via far-right conservative media and filing amicus briefs in cases related to gay adoption and marriage...

www.splcenter.org

OB

As much as I trust the SLPC, they aren't wrong....the science doesn't appear to support the treatment.

Gender dysphoria is rising—and so is professional disagreement - BMJ Group

Gender dysphoria in young people is rising—and so is professional disagreement Is there an evidence-based standard of care in the US? More children and adolescents are identifying as transgender and offered medical treatment, especially in the US. But some providers and European authorities are...

www.bmj.com

Three organisations in particular have had a major role in shaping the US approach to gender dysphoria care: The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Endocrine Society, all of which have guidelines or policies that support early medical treatment for gender dysphoria in young people.
These endorsements are often cited to suggest that medical treatment is both uncontroversial and backed by rigorous science, but governing bodies around the world have come to different conclusions regarding the safety and efficacy of certain treatments, notes Block.
For example, Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare, which sets guidelines for care, determined earlier this year that the risks of puberty blockers and treatment with hormones “currently outweigh the possible benefits” for minors.

Turns out WPATH is just making stuff up as they go....

The WPATH Files Revealed — Genspect

The WPATH Files are leaked internal conversations that were sent to Michael Shellenberger last year. Michael worked on these files with Mia Hughes and created an extensive report for his organisation, Environmental Progress. The Files include verbatim leaked conversations as well as an executive...

genspect.org

The WPATH Files reveal that clinicians are carrying out medical malpractice. Great harm is being caused and the WPATH clinicians know this.
The WPATH Files also show that WPATH is neither a scientific nor medical organisation. In fact, WPATH is the wild west of western medicine where activists admonish highly qualified surgeons who seek protocols for the surgeries they are performing. Apparently protocols and policies for irreversible surgeries are regressive and cisnormative.
And we've learned that puberty blockers and hormones are causing permanent damage.

Senators, doctors call for US to follow UK in banning puberty blockers

England's national health service revealed Tuesday it would no longer prescribe the drugs to patients with gender dysphoria under 18. Doctors and senators say the US should follow.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It does appear that increasingly, we are the only ones who believe in the effectiveness of these treatments. The science doesn't seem to be supportive and evidence seems weak.

 

[ozso]

Attention: opposition towards giving children drugs that are similar to those used to sexually sedate prisoners, performing mastectomies on girls (who don't have breast cancer et al), and surgically changing male sex organs to female and vice versa, on children - is a hate crime. View current laws and proposed laws against hate crimes and the consequences thereof.

 

[AlexB23]

As much as I trust the SLPC, they aren't wrong....the science doesn't appear to support the treatment.

Gender dysphoria is rising—and so is professional disagreement - BMJ Group

Gender dysphoria in young people is rising—and so is professional disagreement Is there an evidence-based standard of care in the US? More children and adolescents are identifying as transgender and offered medical treatment, especially in the US. But some providers and European authorities are...

www.bmj.com

Three organisations in particular have had a major role in shaping the US approach to gender dysphoria care: The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), the American Academy of Pediatrics, and the Endocrine Society, all of which have guidelines or policies that support early medical treatment for gender dysphoria in young people.
These endorsements are often cited to suggest that medical treatment is both uncontroversial and backed by rigorous science, but governing bodies around the world have come to different conclusions regarding the safety and efficacy of certain treatments, notes Block.
For example, Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare, which sets guidelines for care, determined earlier this year that the risks of puberty blockers and treatment with hormones “currently outweigh the possible benefits” for minors.

Turns out WPATH is just making stuff up as they go....

The WPATH Files Revealed — Genspect

The WPATH Files are leaked internal conversations that were sent to Michael Shellenberger last year. Michael worked on these files with Mia Hughes and created an extensive report for his organisation, Environmental Progress. The Files include verbatim leaked conversations as well as an executive...

genspect.org

The WPATH Files reveal that clinicians are carrying out medical malpractice. Great harm is being caused and the WPATH clinicians know this.
The WPATH Files also show that WPATH is neither a scientific nor medical organisation. In fact, WPATH is the wild west of western medicine where activists admonish highly qualified surgeons who seek protocols for the surgeries they are performing. Apparently protocols and policies for irreversible surgeries are regressive and cisnormative.
And we've learned that puberty blockers and hormones are causing permanent damage.

Senators, doctors call for US to follow UK in banning puberty blockers

England's national health service revealed Tuesday it would no longer prescribe the drugs to patients with gender dysphoria under 18. Doctors and senators say the US should follow.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It does appear that increasingly, we are the only ones who believe in the effectiveness of these treatments. The science doesn't seem to be supportive and evidence seems weak.

Agreed 100%. For all of human existence, we knew that there was man and woman, and nothing else, simply by anatomy. Later on, in 1905, scientists had proven that there is only man and woman via genetics, and the reason why there are only two sexes/genders are the XX (woman) and XY (man) chromosomes. Sadly, many people in 2024 deny simple biological science. At least the Swedish know what is going on, while the far-left decided to throw biological science into the trash with this gender bending stuff. The far-right throw science into the trash by denying global warming. In other words, both parties lack common sense, just in different areas.

Note: There are 1 in 500 people with natural chromosomal errors such as XXY or XYY, but is very rare, yet sadly 1 in 70 Americans want to defy natural order (totally unnatural) by shifting genders.

Two genders, proven in 1905: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/352001
1 in 500 with natural chromosomal defect: One in 500 men carry extra sex chromosome, putting them at higher risk of several common diseases - MRC Epidemiology Unit
1 in 70 Americans 13+ are trans (1.4%, or 1.6 million people): How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?

 

[Occams Barber]

So, are there any centrist or center-right organizations that keep track of hate crimes, @Occams Barber ? I am trying to use centrist sources myself more in my posts, and if I ever come across something that comes out of left-field or far-right field, then I can use a centrist source.

Not that I'm aware of Alex but I'm not American and I don't live in the US. I'm also not fixated on a simplistic left vs right dichotomy.

Can I make a suggestion? Instead of labelling everything left or right, why not look at each organisation or concept on its own merits? I know it involves actually thinking about stuff but there is an unfortunate element of black and white thinking associated with this US fixation on left vs right. It's also a very obvious trait I see in many Christians.

Make a judgement about the idea or organisation based on a little research instead of automatically characterising it as good or bad based on a left or right orientation.

OB

 

[AlexB23]

Attention: opposition towards giving children drugs that are similar to those used to sexually sedate prisoners, performing mastectomies on children (who don't have breast cancer et al), and surgically changing male sex organs to female and vice versa, on children - is a hate crime. View current laws and proposed laws against hate crimes and the consequences thereof.

In the last days, what is bad will be called good, and what is good will be called evil. We are in these last days, my friend, where people poison kids with potent hormones and drugs.

Isaiah 5:20 (ESV): "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"

2 Timothy 3:1-5 (ESV): "But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people."

 

[AlexB23]

Not that I'm aware of Alex but I'm not American and I don't live in the US. I'm also not fixated on a simplistic left vs right dichotomy.

Can I make a suggestion? Instead of labelling everything left or right, why not look at each organisation or concept on its own merits? I know it involves actually thinking about stuff but there is an unfortunate element of black and white thinking associated with this US fixation on left vs right. It's also a very obvious trait I see in many Christians.

Make a judgement about the idea or organisation based on a little research instead of automatically characterising it as good or bad it based on a left or right orientation.

OB

Hey, I will try my best, but I am a sinner who needs a lot of correction. In fact, I am pro-environment, and a lot of the centrists and leftists are pro-environment, along with a smaller handful of folks on the right. And yes, I do see that trait in many Christians, who cling to a party like it is their idol. However, a few years ago, nobody ever talked about trans stuff, and I miss those days. By the way, I used to be left about 5 years ago, but have shifted to the center.

My ideologies are below, and are color coded to standard American parties. Some are liberal (blue), others centrist (purple), and some traditionally conservative (red). The verses are related to my ideologies.

 

[ozso]

Personal squabbles derail threads.

 

[Gene2memE]

Well, we all know the triple K group is a hate group, and the Southern Poverty Law Center labels that group as a hate group. But, I do see your point about the ACPeds. In fact, if people can not drink beer until 21+ in the US, then why are schools teaching this gender bending stuff to minors. It is gross in my opinion. That transgender stuff belongs in the bedroom, for consenting, atheist adults 21+ ideally, and should never enter into any Christian leadership role, or secular teaching role either.

Got it. When inconvenient reality rears its head, Christians should just pretend it doesn't exist.

So, are there any centrist or center-right organizations that keep track of hate crimes, @Occams Barber ? I am trying to use centrist sources myself more in my posts, and if I ever come across something that comes out of left-field or far-right field, then I can use a centrist source.

SPLC calls out hate groups. Left or right.

The perception of this as being in favour of one side of US politics over the other, or the fact that one side more than the other is called out, is probably a sad indictment of one side.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Agreed 100%. For all of human existence, we knew that there was man and woman, and nothing else, simply by anatomy. Later on, in 1905, scientists had proven that there is only man and woman via genetics, and the reason why there are only two sexes/genders are the XX (woman) and XY (man) chromosomes. Sadly, many people in 2024 deny simple biological science. At least the Swedish know what is going on, while the far-left decided to throw biological science into the trash with this gender bending stuff. The far-right throw science into the trash by denying global warming. In other words, both parties lack common sense, just in different areas.

Note: There are 1 in 500 people with natural chromosomal errors such as XXY or XYY, but is very rare, yet sadly 1 in 70 Americans want to defy natural order (totally unnatural) by shifting genders.

Two genders, proven in 1905: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/352001
1 in 500 with natural chromosomal defect: One in 500 men carry extra sex chromosome, putting them at higher risk of several common diseases - MRC Epidemiology Unit
1 in 70 Americans 13+ are trans (1.4%, or 1.6 million people): How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?

Well the argument that these doctors are wrong because they hold certain activist beliefs doesn't hold up if you believe in gender affirming care....because that comes from WPATH, an activist group of doctors who hold certain beliefs.

If you only believe in "neutral doctors" I'm not sure exactly which ones those are....but the doctors in Sweden and England only appear to care about the healthcare of children, because they're government paid and not profit driven.

 

[ozso]

Got it. When inconvenient reality rears its head, Christians should just pretend it doesn't exist.

Got it. The standard of what's age appropriate shouldn't exist. Adults and children should be on an equal plane.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not that I'm aware of Alex but I'm not American and I don't live in the US. I'm also not fixated on a simplistic left vs right dichotomy.

Can I make a suggestion? Instead of labelling everything left or right, why not look at each organisation or concept on its own merits?

I don't disagree with a lot of the SLPC's designations....but the reality is they've been sued over them and lost.

SPLC Apologizes to Falsely Labeled Foundation

The long-time advocate of civil rights in the South apologized to Maajid Nawaz for including his group in a field guide about "extremists."

www.newsweek.com

That's one of multiple examples. It might seem a little obvious that a group railing against Muslim extremists isn't necessarily deserving of being labeled as an anti-muslim extremist group.

Prior to about 2010, much like the ACLU, the SPLC used to be very careful and deliberate in what groups they labeled and how they label them. Post 2010 however, they've been steeped in much of the far left nonsense that has turned the ACLU in a less than neutral organization.

I know it involves actually thinking about stuff but there is an unfortunate element of black and white thinking associated with this US fixation on left vs right.

Seems like an odd thing to ascribe to the US.

It's not unusual to find groups with black and white thinking anywhere. Your first post was to label the group making the statement as an "extremist hate group" in order to avoid addressing any legitimate points they are making.

That's black and white thinking.

Make a judgement about the idea or organisation based on a little research instead of automatically characterising it as good or bad based on a left or right orientation.

That's quite literally what you did in post #4.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Not that I'm aware of Alex but I'm not American and I don't live in the US. I'm also not fixated on a simplistic left vs right dichotomy.

Can I make a suggestion? Instead of labelling everything left or right, why not look at each organisation or concept on its own merits? I know it involves actually thinking about stuff but there is an unfortunate element of black and white thinking associated with this US fixation on left vs right. It's also a very obvious trait I see in many Christians.

Make a judgement about the idea or organisation based on a little research instead of automatically characterising it as good or bad based on a left or right orientation.

OB

One thing mentioned was the Cass review...which reviewed all existing studies and data collected by the NHS.

UK Government Web Archive

This Page is [ARCHIVED CONTENT] and shows what the site page https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/ looked like on 10 Mar 2025 at 14:36:33

cass.independent-review.uk

The key points are in many ways....very disturbing. For example....

• There are conflicting views about the clinical approach, with expectations of care at times being far from usual clinical practice. This has made some clinicians fearful of working with gender-questioning young people, despite their presentation being similar to many children and young people presenting to other NHS services.

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• While a considerable amount of research has been published in this field, systematic evidence reviews demonstrated the poor quality of the published studies, meaning there is not a reliable evidence base upon which to make clinical decisions, or for children and their families to make informed choices.
• The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.
• The use of masculinising / feminising hormones in those under the age of 18 also presents many unknowns, despite their longstanding use in the adult transgender population. The lack of long-term follow-up data on those commencing treatment at an earlier age means we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group.
• Clinicians are unable to determine with any certainty which children and young people will go on to have an enduring trans identity.

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That last one is a bit of a doozy isn't it? It pretty strongly suggests our diagnosis method for who needs treatment stinks.