Humans evolved from lemurs

[atomweaver]

Fixed your post to reflect reality.

Hope you don't mind.

He might not, but the mods might. What you did constitutes a violation of forum policy. I see you are relatively new here, though, so slack is given for you to edit your error.

In the future, don't misrepresent others by modifying their quoted sections. As it was explained to me, you can subtract content to focus the conversation on specific points in a post, but you cannot add content, and thereby distort the OP under their own name, even in jest. (Yes, its a little weird that they are that touchy about it, but there it is, we respect their rules in exchange for the discussion forum they provide us...)

 

[Kid Fish]

I thought it was obvious just by what I said that I was making a point in an obviously satirical manner.

Guess not.

 

[MoonLancer]

And the fact that an all powerful GOD reduced HIMSELF to the level of a mere created human, suffered and died so that we might be saved counts as nothing?

nope. a real sacrifice would have been if he died and stayed dead. Or lost something he could never gotten back. Odin made sacrifices. god... phfff. sacrifice. apparently he doesn't know the meaning of the word.

you mean if I suffer for a few days and die then become a god?. sign me up!!! God should have tried something like cancer instead.

Also when god can choose what "saves us" why diden't he just choose something simple that he could have done it long ago without all this messyness and prolonged suffering (of man, not god). If you ask me i think he did what he died mostly for theatrical reasons. It sounds good on paper, but when you think about it, its rather hollow.

 

[atomweaver]

I thought it was obvious just by what I said that I was making a point in an obviously satirical manner.

I grok ya. Even though we recognize it as a common ploy/trick in threaded discussions, its just not one that is appreciated for its obvious wittiness here.

Were I to reply, I'd have edited yours as;

"Fixed to reflect my fantasy. Hope you don't mind."

which I think doesn't violate the forum policy, as the above is not an attributed quote.

Side topic forum meta-quibble is over now, I think...

 

[Hespera]

I thought it was obvious just by what I said that I was making a point in an obviously satirical manner.

Guess not.

What is always obvious is that when a person can only make his point thru an attempt at satire, it means he a) does not have a point or b) has no skill at expressing it.

Note too that some of our posters say things in all seriousness but that read like satire if you arent a member of their esoteric sect. Its by no means always obvious when something is intended to be satire. That is not the fault of the reader.

 

[atomweaver]

Note too that some of our posters say things in all seriousness but that read like satire if you arent a member of their esoteric sect. Its by no means always obvious when something is intended to be satire. That is not the fault of the reader.

...which brings us to Poe's Law, which Kid Fish ought to become familiar with, as well;

Poe's Law - RationalWiki

 

[Split Rock]

And the fact that an all powerful GOD reduced HIMSELF to the level of a mere created human, suffered and died so that we might be saved counts as nothing?

Why would an all powerful GOD need to do any of this to fix what He let get fowled in the first place?

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

Not that it'll matter to you YECers but:
na na nana na
(point and laugh) HA HA

seriously, when are you all just going to end the charade and get with the program. This thing has features found ONLY in lemurs and features found ONLY in monkeys and apes.
It feels good to win.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

The paper can be found here:
PLoS ONE: Complete Primate Skeleton from the Middle Eocene of Messel in Germany: Morphology and Paleobiology
Welcome Darwinius masillae the debate that has been settled the number of times equal to the number of days you've been dead.

 

[dad]

nope. a real sacrifice would have been if he died and stayed dead. Or lost something he could never gotten back. Odin made sacrifices. god... phfff. sacrifice. apparently he doesn't know the meaning of the word.

you mean if I suffer for a few days and die then become a god?. sign me up!!! God should have tried something like cancer instead.

His face was beaten to a pulp, hands and feet pierced, and He tasted real death, separation from the Father. He never died to become God, He already was God, He died to also become man, and He is still in the same body.

You nailing yourself to a cross would do no one any good. The sacrifice of God was promised right from the garden, and as the ages went by, more details were given when, where, and etc. At first, it was to the seed of the woman would He come, later, of Abraham, and then of a certain tribe of the 12, then to a virgin, then the time from the decree to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem hundreds of years before He was born. The hands and feet pierced, and other details from the cross like parting His garments, casting lots on them. The little town He would be born in, etc etc etc. It was the reason man continued as a race, and was was not all wiped out for his wickedness. It still sets the calendar of planet earth, and is the real reason for everything, including the rise and fall of nations!

It is the future, and the purpose and destiny of man and the universe itself, and much more.

Paaleeese.

 

[dad]

Care to rewrite this in standard English ?

Simple Question
Does God cause
1) All Bad Things
2) Some Bad Things
3) No Bad Things
To Happen to people (Choose 1-3)
And
Is this the Same for Good Things
1) All Good Things
2) Some Good Things
3) No Good things.

He causes all good things. Like a parent, He sometimes has to allow some bad we have brought on ourselves to occur, if we are His people, for our good. Or, if bad people get to a point where they interfere with God's good plans to save men, it's clobberin time. Like a good cop, He won't let the sinister villains get away with some things. Sometimes He allows it to take some time. After all, we are all here to learn stuff. So, it's all good. If it is outside the limits of affecting His plan and people too much, until He takes over, wicked men get away with stuff too. The plants all grow together in our garden here, till they are nice and big, and the weeds and wheat can be separrated good and clean. Good stuff, that.

 

[dad]

I should take the blame for someone you say existed 6000+ years ago that ate forbidden fruit? LOL. Yeah that's taking responsibility like a man...

ps: with great power comes great responsibility. If god created the world, had knowledge of all that is to come, and is all loving, well He has alot of responsibility to fess up to, no doubt.

Just as a kid has less responsibility as an adult, a god would have more responsibility then a fallible mortal

He took responsibility in sending a Fixer Upper. But our free will comes with a price too. When we make the wrong choices, there is a price to pay. Man did, but He paid the price to fix it.

As sons of Adam, men ought to realize they are sinners, and not perfect and good. To pretend we are is to pretend we can save ourselves. That is a lie. When we come to the point of realizing that, He is there. Until then, it is a school of hard knocks, on the road of death.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

You nailing yourself to a cross would do no one any good. The sacrifice of God was promised right from the garden.

hmmm. that's missing from my bible. There's nothing about God getting killed in that. it says he's one and only one and if you worship anybody else you get ye olde stoning.

 

[MoonLancer]

He took responsibility in sending a Fixer Upper. But our free will comes with a price too. When we make the wrong choices, there is a price to pay. Man did, but He paid the price to fix it.

An all powerful god designs man kind to fall and now hes the good guy because he gives us a fixer upper? this fixer upper has death, and diseases etc etc etc.... cant god just get things right the first time if he is perfect?

Its more like the equivalent of a father kicking his kids out of the house at around 7 or 8 and the kids find a way. to get by.

I agree that free will comes with a price, but that's simply causality. If god is all knowing and all powerful though we do not have free will. This would be god punishing man for an illusion of free will. Not so loving if you ask me.

 

[dad]

Creation, itself = reality.Nope, that is an assertion. Got evidence?

The fact that we were here last week requires no evidence to the sane man. The fact that this universe and earth were made a long time ago also should be self evident. To engage in intelligent debate, there must be some basis where the obvious and observed are accepted. If you ever come to that point, give us a ring.

We weren't talking about the bible. We were talking about you... Nice try. Get over yourself.

I usually try to avoid talking about me, so whoever was bringing that up, give us a break.

You should get some then, as you have none now. I ask about what you are selling, and you talk about how oh so many people have read the bible. I know that clamping down on cognitive dissonance hurts, but do give it a try.

The reason I have sought a rock solid, well researched, peer reviewed bible case, is because there is a dead end in the road of science that leads no where remotely close to the creation debate. If you want to insinuate otherwise, come out and debate on the issue and we shall see..

Rational thinking is a muscle that must be exercised, and you are flabby and weak. Get over it (and by "it" I again mean "yourself"), and get some mental exercise. No, your masturbatory re-iteration of un-evidenced different state past nonsense doesn't count as exercise... it is verbal flatulence which mocks the beliefs of true Christians in its absurdity.

Cute try at being eloquent, but you must remember that rational is not just what you decide to believe for no apparent reason. No state of the future is evidenced by science, or the far past, in case that is news to you! What is observed, and documented in records of ancient man is a world that is different in many ways. Just as the bringing to bear of the spiritual in ouur physical world in the form of miracles is well known through all time. Just as things spiritual are well known. It seems less than rational to deny for the sake of denying what is so well known. Science is increasingly being side lined, and made to look ridiclous, somewhat like a little high priest waving a wand, running around, scolding people for believing anything not in a little book he is carrying! Life and the experiences of man, are bigger than that. The little religious faker, with the book that is ever outdated, and full of errors, fables, and absolute screaming absurdities can take a hike. I think Avi was onto something. We are mad as hell, and we ain't going to take it any more..

 

[Hespera]

An all powerful god designs man kind to fall and now hes the good guy because he gives us a fixer upper? this fixer upper has death, and diseases etc etc etc.... cant god just get things right the first time if he is perfect?

Its more like the equivalent of a father kicking his kids out of the house at around 7 or 8 and the kids find a way.

I agree that free will comes with a price, but that's simply causeality. If god is all knowing and all powerfull though we do not have free will. THis would be god punishing man for an illussion of free will. Not so loving if you ask me.

None of it makes sense, but then, when religion comes in the front door, common sense flies out the window.

 

[dad]

hmmm. that's missing from my bible. There's nothing about God getting killed in that. it says he's one and only one and if you worship anybody else you get ye olde stoning.

The Lamb was sacrificed from the beginning, actually. So, you feel the the bible never mentioned the Messiah being cut off, or all the rest? Strange.

 

[dad]

An all powerful god designs man kind to fall and now hes the good guy because he gives us a fixer upper? this fixer upper has death, and diseases etc etc etc.... cant god just get things right the first time if he is perfect?

No, don't blame God. He gave us the precious gift, like angels have, and He has..free will.

Its more like the equivalent of a father kicking his kids out of the house at around 7 or 8 and the kids find a way.

No, more like not making man a robot, and a mindless slave, and prisoner. (Not like He designed public education.. )

I agree that free will comes with a price, but that's simply causeality. If god is all knowing and all powerfull though we do not have free will. THis would be god punishing man for an illussion of free will. Not so loving if you ask me.

No illusion. It is real.

 

[CACTUSJACKmankin]

The Lamb was sacrificed from the beginning, actually. So, you feel the the bible never mentioned the Messiah being cut off, or all the rest? Strange.

My bible, the torah, mentions nothing about the messiah being God, the incarnation of God, the son of God. it says God is one. God is it.

 

[MoonLancer]

No, don't blame God. He gave us the precious gift, like angels have, and He has..free will.

If a creature can see the future, and has unlimited power to change the future, all others without this gift are deprived of free will because only a single choice is possible regardless if one believes that multiple choices exist. Only one choice is ultimately possible if the future is predetermined. sorry. You dot get your free will and prophesy too.

No, more like not making man a robot, and a mindless slave, and prisoner. (Not like He designed public education.. )

your thinking about it backwards. in the mind of man, the choice is taken away if the future can be seen and unchangeable.

No illusion. It is real.

really, explain.