Humans evolved from lemurs

[Hespera]

Originally Posted by AV1611VET

I'm not interested in frames --- I'm interested in pages --- of the Bible.

Light S sez..

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Creation is showing us the frames that many can't see because they are way too busy with their nose barried in the Bible. Look up and out to God's Creation and at what it is telling us. Creation is after all signed by God's signature.


Hespera sez...

I wonder how 'god' would think of someone like St Augustine and his idea that all about his corruption and that its wrong to enjoy the beauty of nature. "He' presumably made it and pronounced it to be 'good" (very good, perfect)

Likewise about the beautiful and fascinating record in the earth, of how everything about us developed over the millions of years. How would the creator feel about people who refuse to see what is there in front of them, wont permit their minds to see it because... what? It requires a little intelligence?

 

[GuidanceNeeded]

GN, we understand that you rely on sarcasm to try to make your points because you lack a basic understanding of some of the things being discussed. so you have difficulty making a point that is on topic.

OK so I used sarcasm? But what else are you to use when "scientist" try to make something out of nothing just to try to prove we evolved from apes/lemurs/raccoons, what have you.

My point is "If it looks like a duck, quacks like duck, waddles like a duck, it's not a dog".

I believe opinions are still allowed, right?

Oh and I do take offense being called a child just because I don't believe what the scientist are trying to feed us.

 

[Hespera]

GN sez

OK so I used sarcasm? But what else are you to use when "scientist" try to make something out of nothing just to try to prove we evolved from apes/lemurs/raccoons, what have you.

My point is "If it looks like a duck, quacks like duck, waddles like a duck, it's not a dog".

I believe opinions are still allowed, right?

Oh and I do take offense being called a child just because I don't believe what the scientist are trying to feed us.

hespera sez...

First off, that is not what scientists are doing. but if they were, the way to fight fire with fire is with fire. The problem for creos is that they dont have one piece of data on their side. That is what reduces people to sarcasm or goddidit.

IF someone makes an unverifiable statement, with no data to back in in science, they can and do get shot down in flame. In religion....

Opinions are great! They are even better when they have solid data, which if it doesnt quack, doesnt walk of fly, cannot be seen and has no other aspects of existing, it must not be a duck.. you know?

make an objeciton based on reality and you will have something. Otherwise...

nobody said you are a child. You are believing what the religionists are feeding you. Science is not fed to anyone. Learn if you want to, ignore if you like. nobody says you are incapable of morality and going to hell ir you dont. Religion tho....

Anway, dont want to get into a dispute with you but really, you seem to me to ahve such a distorted notion of what science is and how it works that you are battling strawmen and ghosts.

 

[Pete Harcoff]

I believe opinions are still allowed, right?

Opinions may be allowed, but it doesn't mean they're important.

 

[Toclafane]

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I believe opinions are still allowed, right?
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I recall reading a statement about opinions and body parts, and how every one has em.

Don't think I can post it on this site though.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creation is showing us the frames that many can't see because they are way too busy with their nose barried in the Bible. Look up and out to God's Creation and at what it is telling us.

Okay --- let's do that, LightSeeker.

Take a look at this picture, please, and tell me what you see:

Do you see a georgeous picture of a supernova in progress --- or do you see a star in its final stage of death --- or both?

Now, take a look at this, please:

Do you see a magnificent geological creation, or do you see a horrible tear in our planet, brought on as a punishment for sin?

If someone shot the side of your house with a paintgun, would you "oooooh" and "aaaaah" at the marvelous design?

Creation is after all signed by God's signature.

You've never seen the Creation the way God designed it.

• Perfect humans in glorified states.
• Absolute harmony with all things living.
• No death, decay, fear, pain, or struggling.

Take the rose-colored glasses off and see this universe for what it is --- a universe literally groaning --- waiting for the Creator to step in and do something before thermal equilibrium ends its miserable life.

 

[Split Rock]

Okay --- let's do that, LightSeeker.

Take a look at this picture, please, and tell me what you see:

Do you see a georgeous picture of a supernova in progress --- or do you see a star in its final stage of death --- or both?

Ah, but we rarely have only one piece to the puzzle, unlike what you are suggesting. For example, you mentioned Tiktaalik. As I mentioned before, there are at least 13 other named species of fishapods in various stages of intermediacy between fish and tetrapods. Devonian Times - Front Page We also know that fish existed on earth long before tetrapods. How many pieces of the puzzle do you require before you can open your eyes long enough to see the big picture?

Now, take a look at this, please:

Do you see a magnificent geological creation, or do you see a horrible tear in our planet, brought on as a punishment for sin?

If someone shot the side of your house with a paintgun, would you "oooooh" and "aaaaah" at the marvelous design?You've never seen the Creation the way God designed it.

• Perfect humans in glorified states.
• Absolute harmony with all things living.
• No death, decay, fear, pain, or struggling.

Take the rose-colored glasses off and see this universe for what it is --- a universe literally groaning --- waiting for the Creator to step in and do something before thermal equilibrium ends its miserable life.

What a miserable picture your religion paints of our universe. No wonder you wait and wait and wait for your god to "fix" everything so that it appears rosey to you. Considering your god's track record with "fixing" things, however, I would expect this next fix to be just as incomplete and temporay as all the rest.

 

[Split Rock]

Hi GuidanceNeeded

OK so I used sarcasm? But what else are you to use when "scientist" try to make something out of nothing just to try to prove we evolved from apes/lemurs/raccoons, what have you.

Let's look around your little world and see what the "scientists" have provided for the engineers and technical people that have built your conveniences.
1. You drive around in a car
2. You keep your house warm in the Winter and cool in the Summer.
3. You keep your food from spoiling in a refrigerator/freezer.
4. You can travel across the country in an airplane in just a few hours.
5. You wear clothing made from artificial fibers.
6. You are communicating with people across the planet in close to real time.

Should I go on?

My point is "If it looks like a duck, quacks like duck, waddles like a duck, it's not a dog".

Well then.. "If it looks like an intermediate, quacks like an intermediate, waddles like an intermediate, it must be an intermediate." Unless of course, your interpretation of scripture demands otherwise.. right?

I believe opinions are still allowed, right?

Sure... what knowledge of paleontology and biology are you basing yours on?

Oh and I do take offense being called a child just because I don't believe what the scientist are trying to feed us.

I think you mean beacuse you don't want to believe what scientists are telling you. BTW..Congratulations on not putting quotes around "scientist" this time.

 

[MoonLancer]

Let me ask you something, MoonLancer.

If this molecules-to-man fps show was the alphabet, and A was the molecule, and Z the man --- how many letters in this alphabet are really filled in?

i'm sure some of my more scientifically minded people can come up with 26 fossils that show a progression of molecules to man. Is that what your asking A-Z? What might be missing is more akin to proper syntax.

If they can show you 26 fossils that show said progression, would you believe in evolution?

 

[dad]

The nature of the beast is in the details. If you look at my post you will see i called your claims baseless. By calling YOU baseless, that would mean something else entirely, and change the meaning of what I typed.

and rather they could say a worm and man have a common ancestor, but one could not say the worm is the ancestor, so stop fuding around with details to make your point, it makes it dull and worthless.

If worms are what you claim as an ancestor, or that you both came from a similar mom, that is the detail that matters. Stop wiggling! Now you can call my claims baseless all you like, but God is in the details. What claim, exactly? Perhaps it is time to stop the obfuscation, and fudging. We all need more than worthless posts here. Work on that.

 

[dad]

GuidanceN sez...

Hmmm or maybe they just a female raccoon, wow wouldn't that be amazing!

Opposable thumbs - Raccoons have opposable thumbs
Fingernails - I read fingernails decay over a period of a few weeks
Walking on their hind legs - hmm don't raccoons have the ability to bare all their weight with their hind legs?

Yeah I believe they are grasping to try to fill the missing link!


hespera sez...

GN, we understand that you rely on sarcasm to try to make your points because you lack a basic understanding of some of the things being discussed. so you have difficulty making a point that is on topic.

You are just sure you dont believe them whatever they are; not tying to be mean here but its a bit on the level of a kid saying about food, "I dont like it what is it".

I understand that you believe wha tyou believe because you believe it.

Please understand too that there are a lot of very sensible, highly educated peopls out there doing good research and you live with the very tangible results of that work.

There isnt within the scientific community a church of evolutionists who have their own silly rules of evidence and Truths they are trying to Prove with their nonsense.

Its not like that. if it were anywhere remotely like that they would be the laughingstock of the Universitites, for a brief time at least. They would get no funding and would soon cease to exist.

Your questions often reveal a very deep basic lack of understanding aobut the issues and science involved. If you did understand what people are doing and how, you would not waste your time with meaningless remarks about female raccoons with opposable thumbs, because youd know better. For everyone's sake esp you own i hope you will try to inform yourself better. ( for a start dont get your "facts' from creo sites)

Except, you forgot to tell us all what he was failing to understand, exactly!!? Or do you get it yourself? Some people just like to try to sound intelligent, and make fun of others, actually saying nothing at all. Fancy that.

 

[dad]

Okay --- let's do that, LightSeeker.

Take a look at this picture, please, and tell me what you see:

Do you see a georgeous picture of a supernova in progress --- or do you see a star in its final stage of death --- or both?

Now, take a look at this, please:

Do you see a magnificent geological creation, or do you see a horrible tear in our planet, brought on as a punishment for sin?

If someone shot the side of your house with a paintgun, would you "oooooh" and "aaaaah" at the marvelous design?You've never seen the Creation the way God designed it.

• Perfect humans in glorified states.
• Absolute harmony with all things living.
• No death, decay, fear, pain, or struggling.

Take the rose-colored glasses off and see this universe for what it is --- a universe literally groaning --- waiting for the Creator to step in and do something before thermal equilibrium ends its miserable life.

Excellent point!

 

[MoonLancer]

If worms are what you claim as an ancestor, or that you both came from a similar mom, that is the detail that matters.

it is the detail which you fudge, and i wouldn't go so far as saying they had a similar mom. considering the ancestor goes so far back i don't think you could call it a mom exactly.

Stop wiggling! Now you can call my claims baseless all you like, but God is in the details.

which detail is god in? please give me details. specifics. because from what i have seen, god is not in the details. the more one looks at detail, the more one sees the very lack of a god. If one was to see incomplete systems that work anyway well that would be god.

Perhaps it is time to stop the obfuscation, and fudging.

i agree. get right on that on that right away.

 

[dewaddict84]

Yeah, I saw this too. I'm skeptical. They're keeping it a secret, but hyping it to the media. There's something wrong with that. Also, I preferred the WSJ article: Fossil Discovery Is Heralded - WSJ.com

I also questioned how this could come up in Germany, while man came out of Africa. But then it was pointed out that 47 million years is plenty for a new species to wander the planet. Homo Sapiens came around about 80 thousand years ago.

What claim, exactly?

I believe he was referring to this one:

..it wasn't a man. Get over it.

Of course it wasn't a man. If it was a man then it certainly wouldn't be any sort of missing link between man and monkey now would it? The perfect missing link would be something that is half-way between whatever it is you're trying to link. And regardless, this fossil isn't even in that gap. It's before the monkey-ape-hominid split.

they call a Tiktaalik, and call it a missing link between fish and amphibian

Ah... no. The Tiktaalik, if legit, is before monkeys and apes, a lot like a lemur. It's not between fish and amphibians.

before it even begins to look like an fps movie?

Hey, not all of us had decent video cards alright? You ever play quake on a LAN where everyone had it running at about 2 fps? It's like a firefight in a strobe room.

Also, AV? I see a nebula, not a super-nova. Although it might be the remnants of a super-nova, it's long-since over.
Have you ever been to the grand canyon? It's simply beautiful.
You've never seen such a perfect world either.
Take off those pitch-colored glasses and see the universe for what it is: Neat.

thermal equilibrium ends its miserable life.

... What? You're just kind of a downer aren't you? Do you mean the heat death of the universe? I think we've got some time before that happens...

I'm not interested in frames --- I'm interested in pages --- of the Bible.

If you're really not interested, then why do you post so much in the CrEvo section?


And yes, you and I share a common ancestor with worms. Just like all other living life on the planet. "Mom" refers to your immediate female ancestor. And since worms are hermaphrodites, that term really falls apart.

 

[dewaddict84]

which detail is god in?

Oh come on! You know they're just going to say the bible, or EVERYTHING WHY CAN'T YOU SEE IT? What you did there was essentially just ask them to prove their religion. What's the point of that. Stay on topic of the thread, or at least in the category of the division.

 

[LightSeaker]

Okay --- let's do that, LightSeeker.

Take a look at this picture, please, and tell me what you see:

Do you see a georgeous picture of a supernova in progress --- or do you see a star in its final stage of death --- or both?

I see the wonders of Creation in action.

Now, take a look at this, please:

Do you see a magnificent geological creation, or do you see a horrible tear in our planet, brought on as a punishment for sin?

I see the wonders of Creation in action.

If someone shot the side of your house with a paintgun, would you "oooooh" and "aaaaah" at the marvelous design?You've never seen the Creation the way God designed it.

• Perfect humans in glorified states.
• Absolute harmony with all things living.
• No death, decay, fear, pain, or struggling.

Take the rose-colored glasses off and see this universe for what it is --- a universe literally groaning --- waiting for the Creator to step in and do something before thermal equilibrium ends its miserable life.

I have a different view. I see the wonders of Creation in action.

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[AV1611VET]

I see the wonders of Creation in action.



I see the wonders of Creation in action.


I have a different view. I see the wonders of Creation in action.

Then let me ask you this --- is the Creation still in progress?

If it is, where will it end --- at maximum entropy --- or on the "day of God"?

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Speaking of entropy, is God still creating on one side, while entropy is "uncreating" on the other?

If so, is God ignoring His own point He made through Haggai?

... and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.

 

[LightSeaker]

Then let me ask you this --- is the Creation still in progress?

Of course Creation is still in progress. Life would end if Creation stopped. Creation can't be separated from life itself. They are all one and of the same power of life itself.

If it is, where will it end --- at maximum entropy --- or on the "day of God"?Speaking of entropy, is God still creating on one side, while entropy is "uncreating" on the other?

entropy is an aspect of and not separate from this wonderful Creation. It's all One.

If so, is God ignoring His own point He made through Haggai?

I don't know what point he made that you are making a point of.

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[AV1611VET]

Of course Creation is still in progress.

Um ... God ceased after the sixth day.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

You see --- modern science teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe has always been the same --- whereas the Bible portrays it as starting out at zero, then being raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Thus, after Day Six, God instituted the Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy.

Life would end if Creation stopped. Creation can't be separated from life itself. They are all one and of the same power of life itself.

You're talking creatiio ex materia --- but in Genesis 1, the universe came into existence creatio ex nihilo.

entropy is an aspect of and not separate from this wonderful Creation.

Entropy --- a.k.a. heat death --- is an enemy of God.

It's all One.

As in I am the Walrus, koo koo ka chew --- or as in pantheism?

I don't know what point he made that you are making a point of.

You know --- like blowing up a balloon that has a very tiny pinhole in it.

 

[LightSeaker]

Um ... God ceased after the sixth day.

Yet, His Creation did not stop creating. It can't. Creating life is an aspect of life itself. That's what Creation itself is showing us. And, as I stated earlier, Creation is signed directly by the signature of God.

You see --- modern science teaches that the amount of mass/energy in the universe has always been the same --- whereas the Bible portrays it as starting out at zero, then being raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Thus, after Day Six, God instituted the Law of Conservation of Mass and Energy.You're talking creatiio ex materia --- but in Genesis 1, the universe came into existence creatio ex nihilo.]

From my perspective, Creation came into existence creatio ex deo.

Entropy --- a.k.a. heat

death--- is an enemy of God.

I don't see any aspect of God's Creation as ever being an enemy of God. As far as Entropy...Entropy is an aspect of Creation. Entropy exist in Creation. It is not separate from Creation. If Creation did not exist, neither would Entropy. And Creation (which includes Entropy), being signed by the signature of God, is not an enemy of God.

As in I am the Walrus, koo koo ka chew --- or as in pantheism?You know --- like blowing up a balloon that has a very tiny pinhole in it.

That's a great Beattle's song. Thanks, I'm now playing it over and over in my mind.

No...its more like all aspects of Creation are a part of and one with the whole of Creation. Creation is not a bunch of separate and individual parts spread about here and there and over yonder. Creation is whole, united and One into itself. There is nothing that exist that sits outside of Creation.

It's the mind of human beings that divide and separate Creation into different aspects. But Creation itself is One and Whole unto itself.

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