Humans evolved from lemurs

[dewaddict84]

Entropy --- a.k.a. heat death --- is an enemy of God.

No. Entropy is not the heat death of the universe. You're getting it wrong. Entropy is the measurement of how mixed up something is. So there's a glass of icewater in a room. The glass has a different temperature then the room, so that's considered mixed up. With time, the room and the glass become the same temperature. That heat exchange could be put to work. The laws of thermodynamics show us that it's impossible for entropy to decrease, everything is forever equalizing. If you put some work into heating up a pail of water, that energy came from somewhere. Be it the fuel you burned under it, your body heat, or pure friction, that energy came from somewhere and more energy was put into that energy source then what you got out of it. Since the sun is a giant furnace of energy slowly burning away it's fuel, we've got an outside source, and this is a somewhat difficult lesson to wrap your head around.

The idea behind the heat death of the universe is that since entropy must always increase, eventually everything will settle down and no work will be able to be extracted. Entropy is not heat death, entropy leads to heat death. That's way WAY far away though. Think of the time it takes a sun to burn out, yeah, that's nothing compared to the time to reach heat death. The age of the universe thus far is piddly compared the time it takes reach heat death.

I've no idea why you think this is an enemy of god. It means an eventual end to everything, but the sun going nova would also be the end of earth.

I won't discuss the Creation Week from outside Genesis 1.

Oh wow. In an effort to thwart evolution, you turn a blind eye to the bible. Priorities dude.

 

[AV1611VET]

Entropy is not heat death, entropy leads to heat death.

I'm talking about maximum entropy --- qv please: 37.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

Either God directly manipulated the weather to cause Katrina, or he sat back and watched the storm brew by itself. Being the omnipotent and omniscient being He is, the difference is marginal and he is to blame in any case.

 

[Hespera]

Either God directly manipulated the weather to cause Katrina, or he sat back and watched the storm brew by itself. Being the omnipotent and omniscient being He is, the difference is marginal and he is to blame in any case.

If you could get a high speed film of every hurricane for the last say 10,000 years youd seen big ones and small hitting every section of the coast, over and over.

That is how you can tell that Katrina was deliberately sent by god to do what the hydrologists (secular prophets of the godless Religion of Science) had been saying for years would happen sooner or later.

 

[atomweaver]

Didn't know you believed in creation itself!?

Creation, itself = reality.

Or that you had information about it!! Met anyone that actually believed you yet?

They buy millions of dollars of my products, based on my interpretation of the data, so, yes, they believe me. Who buys what you're selling?

 

[LightSeaker]

Either God directly manipulated the weather to cause Katrina, or he sat back and watched the storm brew by itself. Being the omnipotent and omniscient being He is, the difference is marginal and he is to blame in any case.

Or...in our self-centeredness, we human beings have grown out of touch with the ways of this Creation and ignorantly moved in mass into an area that is prone to hurricanes. And than we followed through with our ignorance by not fortify and protecting ourselves against the inevitable.

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[Hespera]

Or...in our self-centeredness, we human beings have grown out of touch with the ways of this Creation and ignorantly moved in mass into an area that is prone to hurricanes. And than we followed through with our ignorance by not fortify and protecting ourselves against the inevitable.

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Or... more likely still... in self centeredness, people actually believe that the universe was created for them, that the stars are for the purpose of bringing light unto the night, and that anything anywhere has any concern at all for our existence, let alone how we feel about things.

The idea that hurricanes and earthquakes are somehow related to what people do or dont do.....? People actually take that seriously?

As for moving into areas prone to natural disaster, its not that easy to find a place that isnt. Here, we get blizzards, tornados, and there is potential for a massive earthquake. There, its typhoon and volcano. Drought, heat,
fires... what place is safe?

 

[dad]

Either God directly manipulated the weather to cause Katrina, or he sat back and watched the storm brew by itself. Being the omnipotent and omniscient being He is, the difference is marginal and he is to blame in any case.

Be a man, ad take the blame like a man. Man fell, and is in a depraved state. The earth and sky reflect that as well. You can't blame God for getting wet when it rains, or every cool day. Or for every car crash on the freeway.

 

[dad]

Creation, itself = reality.

Creation is not reality that we see today. It happened a long time ago. That is the reality. The reality of today is long long after the fact. Hope that doesn't rain on your parade too much, but happens to be the way it is.

They buy millions of dollars of my products, based on my interpretation of the data, so, yes, they believe me. Who buys what you're selling?

The bible is read by billions, and tens of billions over time. You lose, whatever you are peddling. A lot of hot dogs were sold as well, that does not mean there was or was not a same or different state in the past, or will be or not in the future. It means someones sold some food. Balance. Perspective, can be a beautiful thing.

 

[Toclafane]

Be a man, ad take the blame like a man. Man fell, and is in a depraved state. The earth and sky reflect that as well. You can't blame God for getting wet when it rains, or every cool day. Or for every car crash on the freeway.

So can you blame him for All of them, None of them, or only some of them, and does this also go for when "good" things happen ?

 

[MoonLancer]

Be a man, ad take the blame like a man. Man fell, and is in a depraved state. The earth and sky reflect that as well. You can't blame God for getting wet when it rains, or every cool day. Or for every car crash on the freeway.

I should take the blame for someone you say existed 6000+ years ago that ate forbidden fruit? LOL. Yeah that's taking responsibility like a man...

ps: with great power comes great responsibility. If god created the world, had knowledge of all that is to come, and is all loving, well He has alot of responsibility to fess up to, no doubt.

Just as a kid has less responsibility as an adult, a god would have more responsibility then a fallible mortal

 

[dad]

So can you blame him for All of them, None of them, or only some of them, and does this also go for when "good" things happen ?

His care is over man, even man that has not yet come to Him, if I read it right. He made the sun to shine to warm us all, and water to drink. He made food for all things to consume. If we come to Him, we can get under the wings of His protection as well. In such a case, a Katrina or a Mount saint Helens, or war, can not harm us. Unless we are bettter out of the way. I sometimes feel I want to avoid such things, as I might be better out of the way..

God is known and His goodness by creation, even the state of things now. History proves this. Some connected the creator to the sun, and worshiped it, for example.

 

[Toclafane]

His care is over man, even man that has not yet come to Him, if I read it right. He made the sun to shine to warm us all, and water to drink. He made food for all things to consume. If we come to Him, we can get under the wings of His protection as well. In such a case, a Katrina or a Mount saint Helens, or war, can not harm us. Unless we are bettter out of the way. I sometimes feel I want to avoid such things, as I might be better out of the way..

God is known and His goodness by creation, even the state of things now. History proves this. Some connected the creator to the sun, and worshiped it, for example.

Care to rewrite this in standard English ?

Simple Question
Does God cause
1) All Bad Things
2) Some Bad Things
3) No Bad Things
To Happen to people (Choose 1-3)
And
Is this the Same for Good Things
1) All Good Things
2) Some Good Things
3) No Good things.

 

[atomweaver]

Creation, itself = reality.

Creation is not reality that we see today. It happened a long time ago. That is the reality.

Nope, that is an assertion. Got evidence?

The reality of today is long long after the fact. Hope that doesn't rain on your parade too much, but happens to be the way it is.

The bible is read by billions, and tens of billions over time.

We weren't talking about the bible. We were talking about you... Nice try. Get over yourself.

You lose, whatever you are peddling. A lot of hot dogs were sold as well, that does not mean there was or was not a same or different state in the past, or will be or not in the future. It means someones sold some food. Balance. Perspective, can be a beautiful thing.

You should get some then, as you have none now. I ask about what you are selling, and you talk about how oh so many people have read the bible. I know that clamping down on cognitive dissonance hurts, but do give it a try.
Rational thinking is a muscle that must be exercised, and you are flabby and weak. Get over it (and by "it" I again mean "yourself"), and get some mental exercise. No, your masturbatory re-iteration of un-evidenced different state past nonsense doesn't count as exercise... it is verbal flatulence which mocks the beliefs of true Christians in its absurdity. Getting some facts to back up your claims, now that would be exercise. To pre-empt your next reply (because your masturbatory debate habits are that predictable); No, your interpretation of the Bible is evidence for nothing more than the depths of your different past fantasy. Get over it.

 

[Kid Fish]

Or at least something like them. Yet another piece of the puzzle is contrived.

Fixed your post to reflect reality.

Hope you don't mind.

 

[LittleNipper]

I should take the blame for someone you say existed 6000+ years ago that ate forbidden fruit? LOL. Yeah that's taking responsibility like a man...

ps: with great power comes great responsibility. If god created the world, had knowledge of all that is to come, and is all loving, well He has alot of responsibility to fess up to, no doubt.

Just as a kid has less responsibility as an adult, a god would have more responsibility then a fallible mortal

And the fact that an all powerful GOD reduced HIMSELF to the level of a mere created human, suffered and died so that we might be saved counts as nothing?

 

[LittleNipper]

Care to rewrite this in standard English ?

Simple Question
Does God cause
1) All Bad Things
2) Some Bad Things
3) No Bad Things
To Happen to people (Choose 1-3)
And
Is this the Same for Good Things
1) All Good Things
2) Some Good Things
3) No Good things.

GOD has both PERFECT will and PERMISSIVE will. The reason bad things happen is becasue GOD allows it to for reasons that extend to infinity. However, GOD is very good but also very Righteous. HE demands perfection and so HE came as a baby to perform perfectly that sacrafice which had to be accomplished with perfection the most opportune moment in history.

 

[Toclafane]

GOD has both PERFECT will and PERMISSIVE will. The reason bad things happen is becasue GOD allows it to for reasons that extend to infinity. However, GOD is very good but also very Righteous. HE demands perfection and so HE came as a baby to perform perfectly that sacrafice which had to be accomplished with perfection the most opportune moment in history.

And this doesn't even answer the question asked.

 

[Toclafane]

Fixed your post to reflect reality.

Hope you don't mind.

Would you mind if we edit your post to lie about stuff you never posted ?

 

[Hespera]

And the fact that an all powerful GOD reduced HIMSELF to the level of a mere created human, suffered and died so that we might be saved counts as nothing?

It counts as pretty weird story. Why would he torture himself to save us from himself? Save us from his torture for not following his rules?

I think Id rather just be left alone, thanks. No turture for anyone.