Humans aren't apes... but biologically how?

[sfs]

Why can't I just use your model when it speaks of observable microevolutionary changes since I do not dispute microevolution is happening.

Because a microevolutionary model makes no predictions about genetic differences between humans and chimpanzees. My model does make such a prediction, and the prediction is borne out by the data.

I continue to await your prediction of the transition-transversion ratio based on creationism or ID.

It seems you are simply referring to the consistency of a model and its ability to predict patterns that reoccur within it before they have been measured in specific cases.

It seems you don't understand the issue. We know from various sources what mutations look like, including things like the transition-transversion ratio. The model of common descent predicts that differences between humans and chimpanzees should look like accumulated mutations. If there is no common descent, there is no prediction.
My prediction was correct. That means my model is supported by data and your model is useless.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Most noncoding regions don't do anything, but many do. Something like 8% - 11% of the genome is functional, but less than 2% is coding.

I wasn't counting regulatory regions and the like as non-coding, but feel free to nitpick.

 

[juvenissun]

Did you actually read the OP? Because I don't think you did.

You answer my question, then I will answer your OP.
They are of the same nature.

 

[sfs]

but feel free to nitpick

Too late -- I already did.

 

[juvenissun]

Aren’t you the one who thinks rocks are alive but plants aren’t?

I also said that human is not ape.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You answer my question, then I will answer your OP.
They are of the same nature.

No, I don't see how they are. I really don't.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I also said that human is not ape.

But, biologically, HOW aren't humans apes?

 

[Larniavc]

I also said that human is not ape.

Crikey! Incorrect three times.

 

[dad]

This is a common claim I see, and I'm sure everyone on this forum sees, very often from creationists/ID proponents that goes: "Humans aren't apes".

Even though:
Humans are in the family Hominidae which puts us in with the other great apes (orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees and Bonobos).
We share 97.3% of our DNA with chimpanzees, 97% with orangutans, 99% with bonobos and 98% with gorillas, our body structures are very nearly the exact same.
We share virtually the exact same body structures, albeit with structurally differences based on arboreal living conditions.
We are all mammals, with warm blood, with females giving live births and breastfeeding from external mammary glands.

I really could go on with the similarities since there are many, but one thing that bugs me when I see creationists/ID proponents make the claim that "Humans aren't apes", I can't help but ask... how?

For this, I would like an answer: Biologically, how aren't humans apes?
Don't try and include things like intelligence or anything like that, since that's not what this is about. The question is about biology.
So... Biologically, how aren't humans apes?

In the classification system using the word 'ape' that man uses, man is included.

That has no meaning other than some animal word was used to include man.

Yes many of us nurse, that does not make us a cat or an ape. Yes DNA is similar in a potato, that does not make us a potato. Not even a carrot.

Apes are not an animal man is even most similar to.

Try to get your head around the fact that your religion is rejected by many bible believers. Outright.

 

[juvenissun]

No, I don't see how they are. I really don't.

They both have the word: animal.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

In the classification system using the word 'ape' that man uses, man is included.

That has no meaning other than some animal word was used to include man.

Yes many of us nurse, that does not make us a cat or an ape. Yes DNA is similar in a potato, that does not make us a potato. Not even a carrot.

Apes are not an animal man is even most similar to.

Try to get your head around the fact that your religion is rejected by many bible believers. Outright.

But man IS an ape. We fit all of the biological criteria to be called an ape.

 

[juvenissun]

But, biologically, HOW aren't humans apes?

You do not marry your mom.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

They both have the word: animal.

No, your original comment on this thread was "Biologically, can you marry your mother?".
That has absolutely nothing to do with the question in the OP.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You do not marry your mom.

... of course you can't biologically marry your mother because marriage is not a biological construct, only societal.
A person can mate with their mother to produce offspring, but that... that never ends well.

 

[dad]

But man IS an ape. We fit all of the biological criteria to be called an ape.

That depends on how we define ape. God did not even mention them. The animals we look to might be the ant. For hard work. The dog, for being unlike a loving intelligent man. The horse, for strength. Etc.

All I look to an ape for is comedy and grossness. I see them a an armpit scratching, dirty, banana munching creature with superficial similarities, but so totally unlike man.

 

[VirOptimus]

This is like comedy hour or something.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That depends on how we define ape. God did not even mention them. The animals we look to might be the ant. For hard work. The dog, for being unlike a loving intelligent man. The horse, for strength. Etc.

All I look to an ape for is comedy and grossness. I see them a an armpit scratching, dirty, banana munching creature with superficial similarities, but so totally unlike man.

So the reason, for you, that humans aren't apes is because of the line of logic of "Well I ain't no dirty, stinkin' ape!".

 

[bhsmte]

This is like comedy hour or something.

Why I love CF so much. Living rocks and whatever else, it is highly entertaining.

 

[Astrophile]

You are ignoring massive similarities and focusing on minute differences here.

Straining at gnats and swallowing camels, as somebody once said.

 

[juvenissun]

... of course you can't biologically marry your mother because marriage is not a biological construct, only societal.

I was trying to be civil. Do you like me to express it explicitly?
Of course it is biological.