Human Evolution

[anyathesword]

Does that mean you will not repeat these claims:

"1) Lucy's knee joint 2) Neanderthals were arthritic humans and 3) speciation has not been observed in recent human history"

I'm curious if you were lying about wanting to learn about evolution. Seems more like you wanted to preach against it.

I am being ironic...

No I am still not sure about the above statements..I do not have a good source that isn't biased to come to these conclusions.

I was talking about one Neanderthal, not all of them.

Yes finches and crows are different colors, that is definitly observable. Horses and mules and zébras interbreeding is oservable.

 

[PsychoSarah]

As you see, when it comes to comparing Scriptures, its too uncertain to assert a claim as to which view is oldest or who stole from who. It is certain, however, that the Hindu religion started without the belief of reincarnation and only the worship of one deity as the Jewish and Christian faith did. However, Hindu religion branched off to worship many deities or no deity at all whereas the Jewish and Christian faith remained consistent with the worship of only one God.

So, in all fairness, I have to say that both scriptures retain elements of the most ancient world view, but that it is far more clearly retained in the Old Testament.
Hinduism And Christianity: Far Different - Spirituality vs Skepticism - Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums

Incorrect, polytheism predates monotheism, and Judaism is often considered the first prominent monotheistic religion. And that is a forum, which doesn't exactly support any claims that the source is accurate. I challenge you to find a reputable site that says at any point Hinduism was truly monotheistic. True, the different sects favor different gods, but they all believe in multiple gods.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I am being ironic...

No I am still not sure about the above statements..I do not have a good source that isn't biased to come to these conclusions.

I was talking about one Neanderthal, not all of them.

Yes finches and crows are different colors, that is definitly observable. Horses and mules and zébras interbreeding is oservable.

They interbreed, but the offspring is of questionable fertility.

 

[anyathesword]

Oh I know. Forbid that the bible not intend to be literal. As if we speak like that, we don't always literally mean what we say. I wonder if Anya blocked me, she doesn't react to what I say.

You started analyzing me at the beginning of the thread and in others said very offensive things, why would I really want to respond to that?

 

[anyathesword]

Probably not. She's getting this annoying habit of just moving on from topic to topic and dumping more and more from her favorite websites, then moving on without addressing the rebuttals. I'm starting to find it quite annoying.

It's called more and more evidence from your own trusted scientists and founders such as Darwin. If it's too much, I'm sorry, but no one has replied to them either...

 

[PsychoSarah]

You started analyzing me at the beginning of the thread and in others said very offensive things, why would I really want to respond to that?

Because you have to be an adult and deal with crap sometimes.

 

[anyathesword]

If she wants to just have what she says be presented to people without acknowledging peoples' opinions, she should just write a blog.

I can do what I want. If you don't like my thread, then stay out of it

 

[lasthero]

I do not have a good source that isn't biased to come to these conclusions.

You think all the stuff you've been posting from creationist websites isn't biased?

Is there any evidence at all that could be presented to you that would get you to accept that Lucy's knee joint was not found at a separate location? Anything? Because apparently the words of the man who found the thing in the first place aren't enough.

I was talking about one Neanderthal, not all of them.

Which one? And what's your explanation for all the other neanderthal fossils we've found, and the DNA we've sequenced from them that clearly shows they weren't modern humans?

 

[lasthero]

It's called more and more evidence from your own trusted scientists and founders such as Darwin. If it's too much, I'm sorry, but no one has replied to them either...

Maybe because you keep dumping stuff and dumping stuff, and when people reply to you...you ignore them and keep dumping stuff and dumping stuff.

You're not even really debating the points, you're just copying stuff from websites.
.

 

[anyathesword]

The evidence has been presented to her and the rebuttals have been presented.

At this point, the thread is just an observation of cognitive dissonance and has gone stale.

Dude you are the most annoying of them all!! 20 years on the health care field??
I don't think this thread has gone stale, I think you are really blind to see how it is still going.

You have to be kidding me. Cognitive dissonance.
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the excessive mental stress and discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time

Ok so what 2 contradictory beliefs do I have? I am quite content with Creationism.

Sometimes I Wonder if YOU are getting overstressed from trying to analyze me. Why can't you leave me alone? From experience people that don't leave me alone have a slight problem within themselves. To not say anything stupid, I will let it be at this.

But if you continue I will have to ask you straight up.

Now stop. Final warning.

 

[Jro]

No I am still not sure about the above statements..I do not have a good source that isn't biased to come to these conclusions.

What do you mean by biased? Technically, a preference for the truth is a bias.

Yes finches and crows are different colors, that is definitly observable. Horses and mules and zébras interbreeding is oservable.

There are still speciation events within human history. You've claimed that there were not. Are you ready to retract this claim or are you shifting the goal posts?

 

[HitchSlap]

Really? Genesis is not a document?

Correct.

 

[anyathesword]

Maybe because you keep dumping stuff and dumping stuff, and when people reply to you...you ignore them and keep dumping stuff and dumping stuff.

You're not even really debating the points, you're just copying stuff from websites.
.

I can't even describe to you how many times people tell me to give them evidence. And if I give them this evidence they say it's a lie. So if I continue to give multiple évidences, maybe it will start to click that what I find isn't always a lie.

Anyway the qoutes relate to our topic about the fossil record.

Yes sometimes I continue because (yet again) people stop the conversations to analyze me again.

It is just to change topic.

 

[lasthero]

But if you continue I will have to ask you straight up.

Now stop. Final warning.

Anya, if he bothers you that much, you can put him on Ignore. You can put anyone that bothers you on Ignore.

You don't have the authority to give anyone a warning. They can respond to you as they please. It's a forum - it's not like he's talking to you in real life and screaming in your ear. If you don't have the self-control to just not look at his posts, use the Ignore feature.

 

[anyathesword]

What do you mean by biased? Technically, a preference for the truth is a bias.



There are still speciation events within human history. You've claimed that there were not. Are you ready to retract this claim or are you shifting the goal posts?

Wasn't it an example of lizards earlier on? Well of course, but they are still lizards.

Speciation at species level does happen within human history.

 

[lasthero]

And if I give them this evidence they say it's a lie.

A lot of the stuff you post is, in fact, a lie.

The stuff you posted about Lucy's knee joint is a lie.

The stuff you posted about Neanderthal Man being a guy with arthritis is a lie.

What you said about Piltdown Man and Nebraska Man and Archeoraptor being a lynchpin or 'very important' to evolutionary theory is a lie.

Maybe you don't realize they're lies, but they are. They're simply not true. When you refuse to even deal with these lies, it gives the impression that, despite your claims, you don't care what's true or not.

And it's rather irritating that you refuse to admit it, then turn around and accuse others of believing lies.

 

[Jro]

Wasn't it an example of lizards earlier on? Well of course, but they are still lizards.

Speciation at species level does happen within human history.

Speciation is by definition at a species level. We would not expect an incipient species to differ greatly from its progenitor. You're setting up a straw man. I'm glad you acknowledge that speciation occurs (PS this is macroevolution :] ).

Edit: did you not read the paper I posted on mosquitoes? This would seem to indicate that you are not actually interested in learning. Is that also a lie?

 

[anyathesword]

Anya, if he bothers you that much, you can put him on Ignore. You can put anyone that bothers you on Ignore.

You don't have the authority to give anyone a warning. They can respond to you as they please. It's a forum - it's not like he's talking to you in real life and screaming in your ear. If you don't have the self-control to just not look at his posts, use the Ignore feature.

I know, and actually I am almost at this point.

 

[lasthero]

Wasn't it an example of lizards earlier on? Well of course, but they are still lizards.

Is 'lizard' a kind?

 

[anyathesword]

Speciation is by definition at a species level. We would not expect an incipient species to differ greatly from its progenitor. You're setting up a straw man. I'm glad you acknowledge that speciation occurs (PS this is macroevolution :] ).

No it's not!! And I already debated this point here or in another thread, I don't remember.

It is from the Berkley Evolution 101 site.

Macroevolution is ABOVE a species level and can only happen 'if given enough time', etc.