Human Evolution

[anyathesword]

The evidence for the debate has been delivered, repeatedly. I highly doubt, one more round of delivering the same, will make a bit of difference.

When that evidence is ignored, or attempted to be explained away with propaganda, everything tends to turn into a side show at that point in time.

You know there are new people to forums every day.

There is alot of evidence to bring again and again for both evolution and creationism.

In fact it is just a quick way to educate oneself and to learn to teach others.

Yes it's boring but it's not boring for new people. And I haven't even looked at all threads and evidence here, it's really impossible to dig it in in 2 months time. Like someone told me here it will take a lifetime to learn everything.

 

[anyathesword]

Even the ones that never had any contact with the christian faith and bible?

Even the ones that PREDATE the christian faith and bible?

Come on...

What predates the Christian faith and the Bible?

They all have had contact with Christianity.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

The basic moral code of the Christian faith is mirrored in other religions and accepted by many who are agnostics and atheists. The common law, (see section 18.2) which is the foundation of the legal system, subject to alteration by Parliament, is based on Christian morality.
What Kind Of Morality Is Important? By Dr Cooray

I guess the Bible lied to me.

Oh yes, it has, countless times. Or to be more precise, those who have tried to persuade you that the bible is literally true have been responsible for you believing countless lies.

And morals are not by a long chalk the sole preserve of christians, in fact religious morality can lead down very dark paths indeed. So this statement:

Secular views are not about honesty, that is a christian moral.

is hateful and wrong.

Yes my point exactly, you evolutionists will not be swayed, so all we can do is just educate each other about each side, that's it

The above seems to be apropos of nothing I said.

My question again:

Is learning about the world and the universe around you more or less important to you than ensuring you get to heaven after you die?

 

[lasthero]

But why not?

I'm curious, Anya - did you read the paper, yet?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

What predates the Christian faith and the Bible?

They all have had contact with Christianity.

What?

Is the above supposed to be a serious statement?

 

[Loudmouth]

No I don't think so.

Tell us what parts of Haeckel's drawings were wrong. Describe it for us.

 

[Loudmouth]

Simple. They think similarities in design is proof of "evolutiondidit" without any real observations that it really happened.

We think the nested hierarchy points to evolution since we observe evolution producing a nested hierarchy. It is no different than a forensic scientists coming to the conclusion that a fingerprint at a crime scene was put there by a finger.

 

[PsychoSarah]

What predates the Christian faith and the Bible?

They all have had contact with Christianity.

Hinduism is the oldest surviving religion. The religion of ancient Egypt was also older than Christianity. And let's not forget about Judaism, which used the Torah.

 

[Loudmouth]

Of course it was observed, just not by mankind. Fortunatly for the Creator, He was able to inspire the oldest written record of the beginning of the world, to be written down and passed down century after century to present day.

Given all the lies you have spread in this thread, why should we believe you?

 

[bhsmte]

You know there are new people to forums every day.

There is alot of evidence to bring again and again for both evolution and creationism.

In fact it is just a quick way to educate oneself and to learn to teach others.

Yes it's boring but it's not boring for new people. And I haven't even looked at all threads and evidence here, it's really impossible to dig it in in 2 months time. Like someone told me here it will take a lifetime to learn everything.

You started this thread did you not Anya?

You started a thread on human evolution and in this thread, you have been provided with boatloads of evidence to support the theory of evolution. Your reaction, has been to refute the evidence with information from bias non-scientific creationist sites (which is your right) and there have been numerous responses to your denying the evidence which provide evidence to show your sources are wrong and they are telling lies.

In this same thread, it has been a challenge to keep up with your own descriptions on where you are at. You stated you wanted to come here to learn, then you say with 100% certainty that evolution is a lie and the bible is truth. You stated you have examined the evidence and it is all lies, then you stated you don't have time to study the evidence, etc. etc.

So, it should not be difficult for an observer of this thread, to see the issues all of these contradictions would present and some frustration from those trying to provide you evidence.

But, as I have said before, If your position is to reject everything that may contradict a literal interpretation of the bible, then I would save yourself the unpleasant feelings that will come along with learning about scientific evidence. The reason? The evidence does in fact contradict a literal reading of the bible and if it is your number one priority in life to hold onto that at all costs, you not only don't need science, but you should steer clear of it, as you already have what you desire.

 

[Nithavela]

What predates the Christian faith and the Bible?

They all have had contact with Christianity.

Wow, this is something, alright.

Nothing predates Christianity, yes? So, Jesuses mother was a christian? She believed in the crucifiction and resurrection of her son, before he was even born?

 

[PsychoSarah]

You know, technically, evolution doesn't really contradict the bible. The bible never says that animals can't change over time, and for all you know that 6,000 years is talking about the world of humans, not the actual world, which, if you add on the 2-3 thousand years that the bible has existed, putting that at 8-9 thousand years, that would actually probably be pretty close to about the time humans began to keep records. Not particularly good or translatable ones, but they would perhaps be there. But then again, people choose to take the bible so literally that they can't see the reality of how significant a few choice things are (creationists get that 6 thousand using the ages of Adam and his descendants when they die in reference to each other up to the time of Jesus, which is a narrow enough time frame to approximate. This number is not stated anywhere in the bible).

 

[bhsmte]

You know, technically, evolution doesn't really contradict the bible. The bible never says that animals can't change over time, and for all you know that 6,000 years is talking about the world of humans, not the actual world, which, if you add on the 2-3 thousand years that the bible has existed, putting that at 8-9 thousand years, that would actually probably be pretty close to about the time humans began to keep records. Not particularly good or translatable ones, but they would perhaps be there. But then again, people choose to take the bible so literally that they can't see the reality of how significant a few choice things are (creationists get that 6 thousand using the ages of Adam and his descendants when they die in reference to each other up to the time of Jesus, which is a narrow enough time frame to approximate. This number is not stated anywhere in the bible).

All depends on the interpretation you are dealing with.

When you look at how most YEC's interpret the book, evolution does indeed contradict the bible.

 

[PsychoSarah]

All depends on the interpretation you are dealing with.

When you look at how most YEC's interpret the book, evolution does indeed contradict the bible.

Oh I know. Forbid that the bible not intend to be literal. As if we speak like that, we don't always literally mean what we say. I wonder if Anya blocked me, she doesn't react to what I say.

 

[lasthero]

Oh I know. Forbid that the bible not intend to be literal. As if we speak like that, we don't always literally mean what we say. I wonder if Anya blocked me, she doesn't react to what I say.

Probably not. She's getting this annoying habit of just moving on from topic to topic and dumping more and more from her favorite websites, then moving on without addressing the rebuttals. I'm starting to find it quite annoying.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Probably not. She's getting this annoying habit of just moving on from topic to topic and dumping more and more from her favorite websites, then moving on without addressing the rebuttals. I'm starting to find it quite annoying.

If she wants to just have what she says be presented to people without acknowledging peoples' opinions, she should just write a blog.

 

[bhsmte]

Oh I know. Forbid that the bible not intend to be literal. As if we speak like that, we don't always literally mean what we say. I wonder if Anya blocked me, she doesn't react to what I say.

A whole different can of worms when you get into the numerous biblical interpretations. Which, by the way, usually are chosen by a person based on what fits their individual agenda the best.

YEC's have non-negotiable interpretations and they need to, otherwise their whole belief system falls apart.

 

[bhsmte]

Probably not. She's getting this annoying habit of just moving on from topic to topic and dumping more and more from her favorite websites, then moving on without addressing the rebuttals. I'm starting to find it quite annoying.

The evidence has been presented to her and the rebuttals have been presented.

At this point, the thread is just an observation of cognitive dissonance and has gone stale.

 

[lasthero]

Actually in fact, I am wrong just to put one word in this thread..

In fact what I research, I myself, do not know if it is right or wrong..that's the reason I'm here (hint).

Do you care? Because we keep pointing out a lot of the stuff you posted is wrong, and you keep moving on without even acknowledging the rebuttals, let alone defending the claims.

Do you at least admit that your points about Lucy's knee joint and Neanderthals are incorrect?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Anyone want to consider spamming the word Acknowledge on all the threads where she starts to ignore people until she eventually either acknowledges them or the threads are closed? Because this is annoying enough that I would seriously consider it.