Human Evolution

[Loudmouth]

that leads me on to my next point .it seems that soon as the dust settles millions of forms of plants and animal just sprang from nowhere

No, that is what you believe. That is not what the science shows. Life starts out quite simply, not as millions of different forms.

 

[HitchSlap]

If a bunch of bronze age herdsman write a myth about a god poofing the world into being, you will swallow that one whole, right?

However, the actual science backed by real evidence . . . that you won't accept.

Tell us again why we should care about what you will or will not accept?

Because bronze age goat herders didn't write about it, apparently.

 

[andy b]

No, that is what you believe. That is not what the science shows. Life starts out quite simply, not as millions of different forms.

but look at all the millions of species of animals and plants not to mention at the bacterial level there must be billions.Billions of years for billions of types doesnt give you a lot of room to manovre ON THE TIME LINE

 

[HitchSlap]

but look at all the millions of species of animals and plants not to mention at the bacterial level there must be billions.Billions of years for billions of types doesnt give you a lot of room to manovre ON THE TIME LINE

Why do real PhD's in their relevant fields of expertise not agree with this statement?

 

[andy b]

Why do real PhD's in their relevant fields of expertise not agree with this statement?

you got me why ?

 

[Loudmouth]

but look at all the millions of species of animals and plants

Now, or then?

At one time, there were no fish, no mammals, no trees, no grasses . . . nothing but algal mats and segmented worms as the most complex life.

 

[46AND2]

that leads me on to my next point .it seems that soon as the dust settles millions of forms of plants and animal just sprang from nowhere ( alleluia )
for no reason why? whats the point? what does the universe gain ? where does the water come from ? why would a plant grow ? what would the very first cell mate or eat with without prior knowledge ? but most of all if life is so easy to create why cant we do it , throw some bits and bobs in a pool of sludge and you get a t rex but with all our labs we cant create anything .throw me a bone i need to get my head around this.

ah, c'mon, now. Don't be disingenuous. You have no desire, whatsoever, to get your "head around this."

 

[Dizredux]

you aint selling that brother and i aint buyin it

It doesn't matter if you buy it or I buy it. What matters is the evidence. To say that you don't buy it and have any impact, you have to be aware of the evidence involved and you do not seem to be.

Have you done any research on the subject? Probably the best places to go are the sites at major universities. This is a very good one to get started:
Welcome to Evolution 101!

If you are truly interested in the subject, I might suggest visiting there.

Dizredux

 

[HitchSlap]

you got me why ?

Because they've all been sworn to secrecy, that's why. They know the truth, and apparently, now you do too. Drat.

 

[PsychoSarah]

that leads me on to my next point .it seems that soon as the dust settles millions of forms of plants and animal just sprang from nowhere ( alleluia )
for no reason why? whats the point? what does the universe gain ? where does the water come from ? why would a plant grow ? what would the very first cell mate or eat with without prior knowledge ? but most of all if life is so easy to create why cant we do it , throw some bits and bobs in a pool of sludge and you get a t rex but with all our labs we cant create anything .throw me a bone i need to get my head around this.

Actually, while it might not quite be life, humans have done experiments that have produced results closer than you would think. Also, do you know how to breathe without being taught to do so? Of course you do, many of the processes of life are automatic reactions our bodies have to stimuli. The less intelligent the creature, the more instinct as opposed to learned information plays a role in their actions.

Water comes from the atoms produced by the Big Bang as well as stars.

Life started out small, it is illogical to think that we would spawn a multicellular being like that. The first life was unicellular. Everything just happened mostly by chance and somewhat because of biological opportunity.

 

[biggles53]

Anya....

My dear old dad used to tell us kids that there was a good reason why we had two eyes and two ears, but only ONE mouth...

Because we learn an awful lot more by keeping the former OPEN and the latter CLOSED...!

You say you're here to learn, but most of what you seem to do is TELL.......

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Actually, while it might not quite be life, humans have done experiments that have produced results closer than you would think. Also, do you know how to breathe without being taught to do so? Of course you do, many of the processes of life are automatic reactions our bodies have to stimuli. The less intelligent the creature, the more instinct as opposed to learned information plays a role in their actions.

Water comes from the atoms produced by the Big Bang as well as stars.

Life started out small, it is illogical to think that we would spawn a multicellular being like that. The first life was unicellular. Everything just happened mostly by chance and somewhat because of biological opportunity.

Except every experiment in mutational research shows that such can not explain the formation of new genetic material.

http://www.weloennig.de/Loennig-Long-Version-of-Law-of-Recurrent-Variation.pdf

Why do you insist what has NEVER been observed is fact? That what has been observed is contrary to what is claimed is occurring.

Mutations are almost always loss of function, nuetral or harmful. Take your pick, either can not explain the development of complex life from simple life. It can however explain everything if one takes that all life was genetically perfect, and through loss of function, all the varieties we observe today came about.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Why do you insist what has NEVER been observed is fact? That what has been observed is contrary to what is claimed is occurring?

Why do you?

 

[driewerf]

Nah, I noticed that, too. I gave her the benefit of the doubt that she was talking about C14 only...since that is surely what was argued in whichever creationist literature she got it from.

I didn't give that benefit.

There are actually 15 known isotopes of carbon from C8 to C22. C12 and C13 are stable, the rest are radioactive.

C12, C13, and C14 are the only ones found in nature. The rest are artificially produced.

I learn every day.

 

[AirPo]

but look at all the millions of species of animals and plants not to mention at the bacterial level there must be billions.Billions of years for billions of types doesnt give you a lot of room to manovre ON THE TIME LINE

Sure it does. A billion is a lot.

 

[Queller]

Master Hitch, I was wondering... what are midichlorians?

A hokey plot device that was never mentioned again?

 

[Split Rock]

Except every experiment in mutational research shows that such can not explain the formation of new genetic material.

Define "new genetic material."

Mutations are almost always loss of function, nuetral or harmful. Take your pick, either can not explain the development of complex life from simple life. It can however explain everything if one takes that all life was genetically perfect, and through loss of function, all the varieties we observe today came about.

Except that research has shown how mutations can allow the use of a new energy source that couldn't be used before by the population.

 

[Loudmouth]

Except every experiment in mutational research shows that such can not explain the formation of new genetic material.

A comparison of the human and chimp genomes, and the 40 million substitution and indel mutations involved, demonstrates otherwise.

 

[andy b]

ah, c'mon, now. Don't be disingenuous. You have no desire, whatsoever, to get your "head around this."

im not a fire and brimstone merchant, ive not even read the old testament in full yet, i concentrate on the teachings of Jesus and reading books about him to help keep me grounded.Im open to all ideas but i have a massive problem with life just appearing for no reason in so many ways and the Fin legs fluke history of the whale seems ridiculous im not saying its not true it just doesn't float my boat.

 

[andy b]

Sure it does. A billion is a lot.

at a guess how many species and types of bacteria, mamma, fish ,insect plants dinosaurs the whole she bang of life have ever existed on this planet extinct or not.