How will Jews get into heaven?

[JoeP222w]

If they repent of their sins and trust in Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, Yes.

Same rule applies to everyone, whether Jew or Gentile.

 

[JoeP222w]

But since Jews live their lives by the book of the OT, wouldn't God reward them for this?

Romans 3:20-26 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. (21) But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— (22) the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: (23) for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, (24) and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, (25) whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. (26) It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

 

[BABerean2]

Salvation under the New Covenant has nothing to do with a person's bloodline.

The middle wall of separation between all races of people was broken down at Calvary.

There is now no difference between a naked native living in the Amazon rain forest and a modern descendant of Jacob living in the State of Israel. They both need Christ for the same reason and in the same way.

There is no Plan B found in scripture.


1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

If I had a distant ancestor who was a Jew would it change my method of salvation?

If you love the Jewish people give a tithe to a group who is sharing the Gospel of Christ with them.

The New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, the timeline in Daniel chapter 9, and the suffering Messiah in Isaiah chapter 53 could be our greatest tools to help them see that Jesus of Nazareth was and is the promised seed of the woman from Genesis 3:15.

Praise God and His Son!

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[Grafted In]

Exactly, BABerean2. But I think the subject spilled over into post rapture salvation. That's where my understanding takes a powder.

 

[BABerean2]

Exactly, BABerean2. But I think the subject spilled over into post rapture salvation. That's where my understanding takes a powder.

Based on the parable of the virgins in Matthew chapter 25 they must be ready BEFORE He returns.

Therefore, based on the words of Jesus Himself there will be no post rapture salvation.

In 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 we have Christ and the angels returning in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know Him.

We also have a reference to the earth burning up in 2 Peter 3:10.

John the Baptist said that Christ would baptize us with the Holy Ghost and with FIRE.

Will we be like the 3 Hebrew men in the fiery furnace when He returns?

We belong to the 4th man in the fire, because He bought us with His Blood.

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[msortwell]

Unless the trust Christ Jesus as savior they will each most certainly perish.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

Unless the blood of Jesus is applied to the sin-debt of a man - which does not happen absent saving faith - a man is left to pay the whole of his own debt. This is true whether that man be Jew or Gentile.

 

[Job8]

Hey guys, since Jesus said only way to the father is through him, what does this mean for Jews please?

It means exactly what it says. Jews who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ will get to Heaven. There is no distinction today, for ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God.

 

[BABerean2]

There is no distinction today,

Since the New Covenant of Christ is "everlasting", neither will there be a distinction in the future.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,



Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

We are Jewish people who believe in Jesus.
We want to tell everyone about Jesus the Messiah.
http://jewsforjesus.org/

Have you had much luck with that?

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Ed Gloss1 year ago
"While I'm am atheist and secular Jew, I find these so-called Jews for Jesus to be pathetic people. I have no love for religion in general but some are worse than others and these people are disgusting. I've spent a considerable amount of time debating them as they spend their Friday afternoons trying to convince Jews to go to their "shuls" for prayer Friday evening when they're clearly trying to get them to go to church. I've spent afternoons calling them liars ad they grab people coming off the train. They hate me because I was very bad for business. We had people set up to combat them and it worked. They eventually moved on."



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[BABerean2]

Have you had much luck with that?

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Ed Gloss1 year ago
"While I'm am atheist and secular Jew, I find these so-called Jews for Jesus to be pathetic people. I have no love for religion in general but some are worse than others and these people are disgusting. I've spent a considerable amount of time debating them as they spend their Friday afternoons trying to convince Jews to go to their "shuls" for prayer Friday evening when they're clearly trying to get them to go to church. I've spent afternoons calling them liars ad they grab people coming off the train. They hate me because I was very bad for business. We had people set up to combat them and it worked. They eventually moved on."



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How can someone claim to be an atheist and a Jew at the same time?

Judaism is a religion, not a bloodline. If I had an ancient Jewish ancestor, it would not make me a Jew.

In Jeremiah 31:31-34 we find that a New Covenant was to come that would replace the Old Covenant that the Israelites had broken.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

In Daniel chapter 9 we find the timeline of the Messiah's arrival, before the Second temple was destroyed.

In Isaiah chapter 53 we find the suffering servant.
Many Rabbis now refuse to even cover this chapter, because they know it will lead Jews to Christ.
It is known as the "Forbidden Chapter in the Tanakh".

Most Jews have failed to embrace the New Covenant, because they do not believe what is written in the Old Testament.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

How can someone claim to be an atheist and a Jew at the same time?

Judaism is a religion, not a bloodline. If I had an ancient Jewish ancestor, it would not make me a Jew..............

In Isaiah chapter 53 we find the suffering servant.
Many Rabbis now refuse to even cover this chapter, because they know it will lead Jews to Christ.
It is known as the "Forbidden Chapter in the Tanakh".

Most Jews have failed to embrace the New Covenant, because they do not believe what is written in the Old Testament.

There was a discussion thread started by a Jew some time back on Isaiah 53, which I participated in [Aug 2007]
I was able to find it and I believe a lot of it is translation differences.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/isaiah-53-a-contextual-discussion.5858522/
Isaiah 53: A Contextual Discussion


muffler dragon said: ↑

I had written this some time ago, and I'll let it be part of the OP again:

As we look at the book of Isaiah, we should first make mention of the fact that the division of the Bible into chapters and verses is only for finding; not for determining theology.

I bring this to attention, because of the continuity that we find within the book of Isaiah.

I would like to present the following verses to form a foundation.

Isaiah 41
8. But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me, 9. Whom I grasped from the ends of the earth, and from its nobles I called you, and I said to you, "You are My servant"; I chose you and I did not despise you.

And now, we come to the text of debate:

Isaiah 52:13-15
13. Behold My servant shall prosper; he shall be exalted and lifted up, and he shall be very high.
14. As many wondered about you, "How marred his appearance is from that of a man, and his features from that of people!"
15. So shall he cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed.
Isaiah 53:
1. Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed?
2. And he came up like a sapling before it, and like a root from dry ground, he had neither form nor comeliness; and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him?
3. Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account.
4. Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed...................
12. Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.

So, we see from nine occasions outside of Isaiah 52-53 that Israel/Jacob is referred to as the "Servant". This is the context of the passage that proceeds. Does it not stand to reason that all situations are synonymous? The similarities, not only in grammar, but also in detail are very interesting between the Jeremiah passage and the Isaiah passage.
Another key note of interest in this entire passage, and all that have been expressed is that there is a complete absence of "Messiah". There is no inference; nor overt statement regarding these passages as being Messianic.

The following conclusions can be made from what has been expressed above:

1) Contextually, the "Servant" is Israel/Jacob.
2) These passages are not Messianic.

The following is provided by an acquaintance of mine the delves into the surrounding context as well:

This opens up the surrounding context of Isaiah 53. After this topic has been exhausted, we can discuss the internal context.




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[LittleLambofJesus]

Unless the trust Christ Jesus as savior they will each most certainly perish.

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

Unless the blood of Jesus is applied to the sin-debt of a man - which does not happen absent saving faith - a man is left to pay the whole of his own debt. This is true whether that man be Jew or Gentile.

Anybody remember this interview between L.K. and J.O. concerning who can be saved?

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/20/lkl.01.html

OSTEEN: Yeah, I don't know. There's probably a balance between. I believe you have to know Christ. But I think that if you know Christ, if you're a believer in God, you're going to have some good works. I think it's a cop-out to say I'm a Christian but I don't ever do anything ...

KING: What if you're Jewish or Muslim, you don't accept Christ at all?

OSTEEN: You know, I'm very careful about saying who would and wouldn't go to heaven. I don't know ...

KING: If you believe you have to believe in Christ? They're wrong, aren't they?

OSTEEN: Well, I don't know if I believe they're wrong. I believe here's what the Bible teaches and from the Christian faith this is what I believe. But I just think that only God with judge a person's heart. I spent a lot of time in India with my father. I don't know all about their religion. But I know they love God. And I don't know. I've seen their sincerity. So I don't know. I know for me, and what the Bible teaches, I want to have a relationship with Jesus.................................


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[BABerean2]

There was a discussion thread started by a Jew some time back on Isaiah 53, which I participated in [Aug 2007]
I was able to find it and I believe a lot of it is translation differences.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/isaiah-53-a-contextual-discussion.5858522/
Isaiah 53: A Contextual Discussion


muffler dragon said: ↑

I had written this some time ago, and I'll let it be part of the OP again:

As we look at the book of Isaiah, we should first make mention of the fact that the division of the Bible into chapters and verses is only for finding; not for determining theology.

I bring this to attention, because of the continuity that we find within the book of Isaiah.

I would like to present the following verses to form a foundation.

Isaiah 41
8. But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me, 9. Whom I grasped from the ends of the earth, and from its nobles I called you, and I said to you, "You are My servant"; I chose you and I did not despise you.

And now, we come to the text of debate:

Isaiah 52:13-15
13. Behold My servant shall prosper; he shall be exalted and lifted up, and he shall be very high.
14. As many wondered about you, "How marred his appearance is from that of a man, and his features from that of people!"
15. So shall he cast down many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed.
Isaiah 53:
1. Who would have believed our report, and to whom was the arm of the Lord revealed?
2. And he came up like a sapling before it, and like a root from dry ground, he had neither form nor comeliness; and we saw him that he had no appearance. Now shall we desire him?
3. Despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held him of no account.
4. Indeed, he bore our illnesses, and our pains-he carried them, yet we accounted him as plagued, smitten by God and oppressed...................
12. Therefore, I will allot him a portion in public, and with the strong he shall share plunder, because he poured out his soul to death, and with transgressors he was counted; and he bore the sin of many, and interceded for the transgressors.

So, we see from nine occasions outside of Isaiah 52-53 that Israel/Jacob is referred to as the "Servant". This is the context of the passage that proceeds. Does it not stand to reason that all situations are synonymous? The similarities, not only in grammar, but also in detail are very interesting between the Jeremiah passage and the Isaiah passage.
Another key note of interest in this entire passage, and all that have been expressed is that there is a complete absence of "Messiah". There is no inference; nor overt statement regarding these passages as being Messianic.

The following conclusions can be made from what has been expressed above:

1) Contextually, the "Servant" is Israel/Jacob.
2) These passages are not Messianic.

The following is provided by an acquaintance of mine the delves into the surrounding context as well:

This opens up the surrounding context of Isaiah 53. After this topic has been exhausted, we can discuss the internal context.




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I was given the privilege of discussing Isaiah 11:1-9 in Sunday School yesterday morning.

The passage starts out with "the stem of Jesse".

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

A few verses later we have a reference to ruling with a rod.

Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

We find in the Book of Revelation the confirmation of this same concept.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Therefore, when viewed as a whole the Book of Isaiah clearly reveals the coming Messiah.

The ultimate fulfillment of Israel is Christ.

The whole purpose of the nation was to produce the Seed promised to Abraham and promised to the serpent in Genesis 3:15.

It is the same seed found below.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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[VanillaSunflowers]

But since Jews live their lives by the book of the OT, wouldn't God reward them for this?

This is an old thread but I wanted to say I found a Hebrew site the other day and browsed their forum. They were talking about Torah and why the new testament deserved to be rejected.
The OT promises the coming of the Messiah and that avenue by which the old ways of animal sacrifices for sins, that didn't take away sin but covered offenses, would be revoked. The final sacrifice , Messiah, would end the animal blood offering and bring the final perfect lamb of sacrifice, Jesus.
Back in the OT times animals were killed with regularity. Sins were committed regularly and so it was necessary per the Torah.

Unless Jews accept Jesus, they find the fate that awaits them as prescribed by the God they worship to this day. But not completely.
As God wills so it is done.

 

[BABerean2]

This is an old thread but I wanted to say I found a Hebrew site the other day and browsed their forum. They were talking about Torah and why the new testament deserved to be rejected.
The OT promises the coming of the Messiah and that avenue by which the old ways of animal sacrifices for sins, that didn't take away sin but covered offenses, would be revoked. The final sacrifice , Messiah, would end the animal blood offering and bring the final perfect lamb of sacrifice, Jesus.
Back in the OT times animals were killed with regularity. Sins were committed regularly and so it was necessary per the Torah.

Unless Jews accept Jesus, they find the fate that awaits them as prescribed by the God they worship to this day. But not completely.
As God wills so it is done.

The battle between the Old Covenant of works and the New Covenant of Grace has been going on for almost 2,000 years now.

The Books of Galatians and Hebrews are about this battle, occurring during the first century.

The Apostle Paul became so frustrated by the Judaisers that he made the following comment.

Gal 5:12 I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate themselves!

The Judaisers are still with us today...

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[tatteredsoul]

But since Jews live their lives by the book of the OT, wouldn't God reward them for this?

The OT is full of prophecy of a savior to redeem mankind. David almost always spoke around, or about this. GENESIS 3:15 is the first Christ prophecy given to man by God.

Many of the Hebrews, especially during Christ, we're Christians. In Hebrew following, it was the natural thing to do: they would technically still be called Hebrews because the Hebrew was always supposed to know about their Savior. This is one reason why Christ is so upset that, after doing everything down to riding a donkey into Jerusalem, the Hebrews still didn't recognize the prophecies of their fathers staring them right in their faces.

Christ was never separate from the Hebrews, so there is another issue going on.

 

[msortwell]

The standing of God’s people, and God’s gracious treatment of them, was never about the obedience of his people to the law, nor about sacrifices. Not EVEN under the law covenant. Consider Moses’ plea for the rebellious ones who worshipped the calf of gold.

Exodus 32:7-14

7 And the LORD said to Moses,"Go, get down! For your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves. 8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molded calf, and worshiped it and sacrificed to it, and said,'This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!'" 9 And the LORD said to Moses,"I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people! 10 Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation.

Under these circumstances, Moses pleaded for God’s mercy based upon the covenant He had made with Abraham – a covenant of grace.

11 Then Moses pleaded with the LORD his God, and said: "LORD, why does Your wrath burn hot against Your people whom You have brought out of the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand? 12 Why should the Egyptians speak, and say, 'He brought them out to harm them, to kill them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth'? Turn from Your fierce wrath, and relent from this harm to Your people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants, to whom You swore by Your own self, and said to them,'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven; and all this land that I have spoken of I give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.'" 14 So the LORD relented from the harm which He said He would do to His people. NKJV

The law covenant under Moses was never redemptive in the direct sense. Rather, in several ways it pointed God's people to the Christ, even as it does today.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The OT is full of prophecy of a savior to redeem mankind. David almost always spoke around, or about this. GENESIS 3:15 is the first Christ prophecy given to man by God.

Many of the Hebrews, especially during Christ, we're Christians. In Hebrew following, it was the natural thing to do: they would technically still be called Hebrews because the Hebrew was always supposed to know about their Savior. This is one reason why Christ is so upset that, after doing everything down to riding a donkey into Jerusalem, the Hebrews still didn't recognize the prophecies of their fathers staring them right in their faces.

Christ was never separate from the Hebrews, so there is another issue going on.

Good post.
The Hebrews need Christ......

Hosea 13:14
"From hand of sh@'owl I shall rescue them, from death I shall redeem them. Where plagues of you death?. Where sting of you sh@'owl?
Regret shall be hidden from My eyes." [1 Corin 15:55]

Isaiah 52:3
For thus says YAHWEH, "You were sold for nothing and you will be redeemed without money."

1 Corinthians 7:23
with a price ye were bought, become not servants of men;

Luke 21:28
Beginning yet these-things to be becoming, up-bend! and lift-up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the redemption of ye. [Hosea 13:14/Daniel 12]

Ephes 4:30
and no be ye sorrowing the Holy Spirit of Yahweh, in which ye were sealed into a Day of redemption

Revelation 5:9
and they sing a new song, saying, `Worthy art thou to take the scroll, and to open the seals of it, because Thou wast slaughtered, and didst purchase us to GOD in Thy blood, out of every tribe and tongue and peopl, and nation





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[bugkiller]

All peoples are required to obey the Father whether Jew or Gentile. The obedience is by following the law (or torah) and is the terms of the covenant. Jesus is the word made flesh (torah) and his message was for people to repent (return to torah and quit sinning). By accepting Jesus, in truth, you are accepting the word (torah) and DOING IT. Penalties come only to the lawless.

And what is that obedience for the Christian?

I think its -

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. Jn 15

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Mat 15:24 And He answering, said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Yisra’ĕl.”

I wonder what exactly you are trying to say through this verse. Are you trying to say Christians become Israeli to be part of this covenant? I read Acts which disagrees with that.

bugkiller