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Perhaps that's why every city in the US have cardboard cities with people living in the streets, where do they get the power from to run those big screen TV's?
I think you're living in a dream land, some people in the US live like people in the third world and not like people living in the richest country (in money not morals) in the world.
Sigh. Do we have to hear how good our poor people have it?
"every city in the US have cardboard cities"? Please cite your source, this I have to read.Perhaps that's why every city in the US have cardboard cities with people living in the streets, where do they get the power from to run those big screen TV's?
I think you're living in a dream land, some people in the US live like people in the third world and not like people living in the richest country (in money not morals) in the world, if the US is a Christian country others might think it advisable to avoid Christianity like the plague.
These are just a few sites telling of homelessness in the richest most unfair society in the industrialised world."every city in the US have cardboard cities"? Please cite your source, this I have to read.
Again , I am not advocating doing away with welfare, just a realistic look at what works/ what doesn't and fixing what doesn't without people whining that you want to starve babies. Don't tell people who see abuse of the system on a day to day basis that the system is not broken.
I've worked with a few families like this at my last job. We were able to help everyone.I know it to be true, according to her she brings in about the same as my family does. Money did not keep her from bringing somebody around her daughters who was on the registry with fully predictable results. Thank God the state finally took all her kids and placed them with family that is slightly less useless.
SOOOO many kinds; mental health (or lower functioning) kind; FASD kind; the raped kind; the hopeful-they-could-give-a-child-the-love-they-never- received kind.What kind of person goes out and has a child knowing they cannot even support themselves?
Sure. Me too. Even worked with some. At my current job, we are aware of a woman who has a kid about every 16 months. She's at number (I think) 16. EVERY kid has been taken by the state. There are not many like them and they are not well.This is not parenting material and yet we continue to subsidize it in my state with basically no strings attached.
Once is a mistake maybe but I personally know women who continue to have children, full well knowing they cannot feed them.
Of the families I've worked with, not a SINGLE one have EVER said that. Ever. Never ever ever. They don't want the government involved because they ALWAYS fear the govt. will take away their kids. Again, the attitude you are describing is more of a mental health issue than a broken system issue.This is what destabilizes families " I don't need no man, the government will pay for my kids!" No consequence to continuing to make cruddy choices, somebody else pays for it.
Yes, we've all "had friends" growing up like that. I have no response to anecdotal evidence other than to counteract it with stories of success. And then, eventually, our stories will simply cancel each other out.I had a friend growing up whose family was on assistance. Her mom got full college funding, still did not graduate and 4 out of her 5 kids remain on some form of state aid. The only one who isn't is because she married a good guy.
We don't live in the same area. But let me tell you I work IN THAT VERY system. Saying the whole system is broken belies a LOT of good work that are being done by social agencies and family workers. It is not fair to say EVERYTHING is broken because of a few bad eggs. I can tell you stories of families I've worked with where they did great things.Again , I am not advocating doing away with welfare, just a realistic look at what works/ what doesn't and fixing what doesn't without people whining that you want to starve babies. Don't tell people who see abuse of the system on a day to day basis that the system is not broken.
Then you are lucky. There are many, many, MANY kids who do not have that. It's overwhelmingly sad to hear the stories in my work place (as an example....a kid whose mom refused to sign her up for school [the kid was a crack dealer]. Kids wanted to go to school and told her mom she'd front her some crack if she signed her up. The rest of the story is too sad to bring up).Thanks for this. It describes my mother.
And why wouldn't you use the word "often"? It is vague enough that you can cop out when the arguments get to the root of the issues.Note that I used the word, "often".
Comprehension is your friend.
Are you serious? There ARE street people who are phonies. There are many who are decrepit, broken, unwell.That's why I have no pity for them at all. Even the homeless street people are phonies.
Are you serious? There ARE street people who are phonies. There are many who are decrepit, broken, unwell.
Having "no pity" for the homeless? I will have to assume you are not a Christian. Am I right?
As I see it, you made two points:But that's not what I said. Is your position so weak that you have to misrepresent what I said?
I thought you guys were all about "nuance".
I am a Christian, but I'm fresh out of pity for those people. I would gladly help them in a dispassionate, dutiful way, but they would refuse my help. Therefore they're on their own. (It's my way or the highway.)
As a Christian if you are "fresh out of pity for those people", the problem isn't "those people"...the problem is your lack of compassion and grace.
Makes me a little sad that you think compassion is EVER a waste. I'm sorry you feel that way.I see poverty as an easily solvable problem. If my way isn't implemented I'm taking my pity and going home. I won't remain and be insulted by either the poor or those who are in charge of 'helping' the poor. I won't waste my time or compassion on a cause that I have no authority over.
That said I still pay taxes, and don't begrudge much of it going to help the poor.
It's your kind of Christianity that is causing people to abandon Christianity by the millions every year in the US,I see poverty as an easily solvable problem. If my way isn't implemented I'm taking my pity and going home. I won't remain and be insulted by either the poor or those who are in charge of 'helping' the poor. I won't waste my time or compassion on a cause that I have no authority over.
Sigh. Do we have to hear how good our poor people have it? Really? Millions did not have access to affordable healthcare. And I doubt VERY highly that you would want to live ONE DAY in the kind of places many of the poor in America live.
Is it better than sub-Saharan Africa? Probably. Is that our goal in the USA to be as good or better than Sub Saharan Africa levels of poverty?
Can we possibly set the bar lower for ourselves so that we don't have to worry about the rich giving up their privileged position?
That should read, because of 'some' Americans exceptionalism and freedom, not all Americans enjoy exceptionalism and freedom, quite a few Americans are trapped in jobs they hate just to keep their medical insurance.Yes we do. Because American exceptionalism and freedom!
That eagle does not look well.
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