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I know a Catholic theologian who probably would agree with him, based on what I've heard him say about how the early church fathers interpreted scripture. And about taking symbolism literally etc.
Sure, it goes that way if we remain in him, enduring to the end. We find out then for sure if we were really numbered among the elect of not. Either way justification and sanctification are inseparable, the latter a continuation of the former.The beginning is salvation by faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ. (salvation past)
Then that same salvation from the beginning grows in holiness as one walks with the Spirit in obedience. (salvation present)
And that same salvation from the beginning is completed at the resurrection. (salvation future)
I always kind of hope no one plays the “Greek card” anytime-and especially here in any case because the whole business of justification is a bit of a messy affair translation wise. I’d first of all submit that it’s a bit ironic that the majority of the original ancient churches were Greek speaking, in the east, where the gospel was spread in Greek and the official language of the celebration is most often Koine Greek to this day and yet they hold to the same basic position on justification as the RCC.No, it does not. The Greek word means to be declared "not guilty."
It is a judicial declaration by the Court of no guilt under the law.
Justification is "to be declared just," in right-standing with God's justice.
In the NT, the divine declaration of "not guilty" (a one-time event and permanent status) is because of faith (apart from works) in the atoning work of Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for your sin, giving you right-standing (righteousness) with God's justice, the righteousness (right-standing) of Jesus Christ being imputed (imparted) to you (Romans 5:18-19) by that faith.
"To be made just" is what follows the imputed righteousnesss of justification, in walking with the Holy Spirit in the process of sanctification, growing in holiness (righteousness, justness).
Justification is remission of sin, declaration of not guilty, and imputed righteousness (right-standing with God's justice) of Jesus Christ.
People will keep themselves out of heaven for despising His will- for opposing and rejecting love to put it another way.
Well, those numbered among the elect will be saved of course. But God, alone, knows with perfect certainty who they are, whose names are written in the Book of Life and whose are not. So a person saying they're born again doesn't necessarily make it so but even if they are, we can also "die again"; we can taste of God's goodness and love and still turn back away from Him and to the world and the flesh. We can't predict our own perseverance to put it another way, and persevere we must according to the bible. Anyway, the will of man is never overridden; it's the "prize" so to speak and is only fully "bound" to God to the extent that we love Him with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength.Are you referring to the born-again elect like I was?
Well, those numbered among the elect will be saved of course. But God, alone, knows with perfect certainty who they are, whose names are written in the Book of Life and whose are not. So a person saying they're born again doesn't necessarily make it so but even if they are, we can also "die again"; we can taste of God's goodness and love and still turn back away from Him and to the world and the flesh. We can't predict our own perseverance to put it another way, and persevere we must according to the bible. Anyway, the will of man is never overridden; it's the "prize" so to speak and is only fully "bound" to God to the extent that we love Him with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength.
And yet it’s thought that a person can’t help worshipping Him once they meet Him “face to face”- He’s like the ultimate happiness drug, causing sheer exaltation, with no downside. But, yes, if we don’t even want to know Him, to know that goodness to begin with, then maybe a person thinks they’d be happier in a state permanently apart from Him, aka hell.I think it's going to come down to who wants to be there and who doesn't. I'm sure there are plenty who would be miserable being in the full presence of the Lord worshipping and serving Him continuously.
And yet it’s thought that a person can’t help worshipping Him once they meet Him “face to face”- He’s like the ultimate happiness drug, causing sheer exaltation, with no downside. But, yes, if we don’t even want to know Him, to know that goodness to begin with, then maybe a person thinks they’d be happier in a state permanently apart from Him, aka hell.
Of course it is.
"The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law." Rom 13:9-10
"...sin is lawlessness." 1:John 3:4
That partnership is the very essence of man’s righteousness. Jer 31:34
You're not bothering to fully listen to God in His word. As I said, one doesn't even need to hear the law in order for grace to fulfill it, much less be "under the law". Read, scripture, with your mind even more open to truth.
Empty words from a person who ignore scriptures.
Every verse I’ve quoted that refutes your theology you say is a parable or it’s symbolic and not useful for formulating doctrine. In short you simply dismiss them.
See what I mean?
What about:Sure, it goes that way if we remain in him, enduring to the end. We find out then for sure if we were really numbered among the elect of not.
Agreed. . .like the song says:Either way justification and sanctification are inseparable, the latter a continuation of the former.
This explanation ignores verses 4,5,and 7.
Verse 4 Jesus tells His 11 faithful apostles to abide/remain in Him and tells them why they must abide/remain in Him. .
Yes, that's all good, and helps serve as strong assurance that we're His, along with fruit being evidenced in our lives. It's still a subjective assessment to one degree or another, though, and we'll only know with absolutely certainty at the end. Meanwhile not all who think and say that they're His, who apply those verses to themselves, will of necessity and without doubt end up in heaven.What about:
"Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guarnteeing our inheritance until the redemption (resurrection, John 6:39; Romans 8:23) of those who are God's possession. . ." (Ephesians 1:13-14)
"The Spirit himself testifies with our spirits that we are God's children." (Romans 8:16)
I guessAgreed. . .like
"Love and marriage, love and marriage,
Go together like a horse and carriage.
Dad was told by Mother,
'You can't have one without the other.' "
He took care of it so that you can ultimately fulfill the law with Him, but not by being under it which we know doesn't work. Again, the law is right-we're the problem. God didn't reveal laws that reflected something other than what man should do. But again, we don't need to even hear the law, much less be under it, to fulfill it.Im not under the law.
Christ too care of that for me.
He didn't take care of it, so that i can go back to it.
It's both. Its a gift and a very human choice, to accept and act on that gift-or not. He's prompting us to be something, something only He can accomplish in us but something He wants us to participate in. Man is like a flower, something he didn't create himself and yet something, in his case, that he can nevertheless prevent from blooming. That interference began in Eden and God's been working on humankind ever since. He wants us all to flower. That's why he sent His Son. And while He doesn't need our permission-for anything- He wants it nonetheless-for our own highest good. That's why He allowed the interference to begin with-He wants our choice involved.God's gift of righteousness isn't a partnership.
Its a Gift.
"Apart from Me you can do nothing." John 15:5God isn't a "partner" regarding the born again, He is Their Father.
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