How to spot the Devil

[Sidon]

Yes, if someone acts righteously and obedient to the commandments always suspect them- there must be something wrong or they wouldn't be behaving that way.

Thank you for the inspiration.
i'll write another Thread that concerns your confusion about the devil's preachers and his gospel.

 

[Sidon]

Your teachings seem to promote it's okay to sin,

Listen up.
I dont teach that you are to be born again, so that you can live like the Devil.
I only Teach Pauline Theology, which is simply to understand the Blood Atonement, and be born again, and live for God.

What i teach against, is the Gospel of self saving, the gospel of works, the gospel of commandment keeping.....which is all the same, actually.
= Legalism.

 

[biblelesson]

Mathew 19 17 So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to Him, “Which ones? Jesus said, “‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’ 19 ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ a

At the time Jesus walked the earth, the laws of Moses were still in effect under the Old Testament. Jesus would not have quoted another law. You find this to be true when he healed a man of leprosy in Luke 5:14, "And he charged him to tell no man but go, and show thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them."

The New Testament was not in force yet because Christ had not died. This is explained in Hebrews 9:17, "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at while the testator liveth."

And while the Old Testament was in force at the time of Jesus, He commanded his disciples not go to the Gentiles, because the Children of Israel did not associate with Gentiles as part of the old laws. Matthew 10:5, "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not."

However, Jesus would later send Apostle Paul to the Gentiles after His death and Resurrection to preach the New Testament, under the New Covenant. Hebrews 9:17, "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Sadly, many preachers are teaching all the laws ended at the cross as Christ as our sacrifice, but that is not what Jesus teaches Matthew 5:17-20 or what the scriptures say. Jesus did not sacrifice His life to give us a license to continue sinning. If the law is taken away and there is no more sin, than we do not need grace, nor do we need a Savior because we are all lost.

The word "commandment" in 1 Corinthians 7:19, is not speaking of the Ten Commandments. Just because the word "commandment" appears in the bible, does not mean it always refers to the Ten Commandments. Reading further in 1 Corinthians 17:20 - 24, you will see the commandment Apostle Paul is referring to, is being called a servant in Christ. In 1 Corinthians 17:17, Apostle Pauls is clear about what commandments he is speaking of saying, "But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk (this is a commandment). He then uses the word "commandment" in referring to virgins saying in 1 Corinthians 17:24, "Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord..." If this word "commandment" was referring to the Ten Commandments, why would virgins be excluded? It is evident that he was not speaking of the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians14:35, "if any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. Apostle Paul is saying that what he has written, and that's the gospel, are the commandments of the Lord. He is not speaking of the Ten Commandments. He is speaking of the Gospel message.

You said: "If the law is taken away and there is no more sin, then we do not need grace, nor do we need a Savior because we are all lost."

Based on what you said, it appears you have not understood the atoning blood of Christ. The reason for Christ's death on the Cross was to take away our sins, that is the grace offered to us for forgiveness of sins. Yes, there is no more sin in Christ whose blood is a covering for our sins. We are offered Grace. This is the very reason why the law was nailed to the cross, and that's all of the the law, to include the Ten Commandments; because without the atoning blood of Christ, the law condemns us. At His crucifixion, for our sake, the law and commandments were taken out of the way. Christ death is enough to cover all of our sins.

The Children of Israel had to have the blood of an animal that twas sacrificed sprinkle over the entire people, animals, books, buildings,

These scriptures related to the commandments (Ten Commandments) and laws being no more: Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:22, Titus 1:14.

These scriptures related to the commandments of the gospel that we are now under: 1 Corinthians 7:19, 1 Corinthians 14:37, Colossians 4:10, 1 Thessalonians 4:2, 1 John 2:3, 1 John 2:4, 1 John 3:22, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6.

Hebrews 9 explains how the ordinances that the Children of Israel was under identified with the blood atonement of Christ, making the testimony of old no more.

Hebrews 9:19,
19 "For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 "saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 "Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 "And almost all things area by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 "It was therefore necessary that teh patterns of thins in heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with teh better sacrifices than these

24 "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.

28, "so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Because the Ten Commandments was nailed to teh cross does not mean we can now sin. That's not what's going on. The law, which includes the Ten Commandment is no longer required for us to keep it. That means through teh Holy Spirit, God puts His laws in our hearts and minds, by His Spirit. God does this to make us holy before him. Our ability to walk holy is not of our own strength. We have been crucified with Christ. Again, God does it by His Spirit. That means dying to self, as we must put off the old man, so that we can walk in the new man. That's the only way we can appear holy before God.

We cannot justify ourselves by saying, "Oh, I kept the Ten Commandments," so I did not sin. Just being in the flesh we are sinners, due to the Adamic nature. Even if we keep the Ten Commandments to the letter, we would not be accepted by God because our flesh is corrupt. We need, not our power, but God's power. So many people just don't understand this.

I hope those who understand the blood atonement of Christ, and can explain it better than I can will comment here because so many people's salvation is in danger due to not understanding that if we practice any of the laws under Moses and the Children of Israel, to include the Ten Commandments, we give up our salvation because we deny salvation in Christ. The Ten Commandments is not a separate law from the other laws the Children of Israel were under.

God bless you!

 

[Sidon]

But that’s not what’s being contested, at least not by most of us here. Whats being contested is whether or not one must be righteous, is obligated to be so,

You can't be righteous of yourself.
If you could, then God would not need to give you His to keep you out of hell.
So, you also can't be righteous of yourself, after you are born again.
This is why God had to make you righteous, Himself.

The false gospel is....."Christ made me righteous, and now i'll go and try to keep myself righteous by TRYING to keep the law and commandments".

That faith is "fallen from Grace"...>"subverted", "DECEIVED".

LISTEN... trust Christ as your ONLY Righteousness, and work on your discipleship one day at a time, knowing you are made righteous at all times, for eternity, if you are born again.
THAT'S Salvation...>>its a GIFT.

 

[Sidon]

This is absolutely true, and consistent with continuous historical teachings as well incidentally. Additionally, He, alone, knows this with perfect 100% certainty.

Sure.

God knows what im about to post to you, but he's not writing it, im writing it because i chose to write it.
I chose to think it.
I chose to be here again.
Im about to post a 2nd Thread on how the Devil uses people as his ministers, and i chose to write it and i chose to post it.
People here will chose to read it, and chose to believe it, or ...chose to fight it.

All freewill in action.

God knew we would all do this before He created Lucifer.

Stretches the mind a bit to think along these lines, but, that a good thing.

 

[biblelesson]

please excuse my misspellings in the above post.

 

[fhansen]

The false gospel is....."Christ made me righteous, and now i'll go and try to keep myself righteous by TRYING to keep the law and commandments".

Ok, so we agree that we cannot make ourselves righteous on our own-that's the lesson taught by the old covenant. That would be legalism. But the real gospel is that God makes me righteous, with a real righteousness, not merely declared, and then I can still decide whether or not I like and will persevere in that new life. We become married to Him-and He won't let us go. But we can let Him go-we can leave the marriage. He wants our wills involved IOW, for His purposes, according to His wisdom.

 

[Sidon]

so many people's salvation is in danger due to not understanding that if we practice any of the laws under Moses and the Children of Israel, to include the Ten Commandments, we give up our salvation because we deny salvation in Christ.

A lot of what you said, other then this that i left, was pretty sound theology, as long as you stayed on the blood atonement.
But this last paragraph became a false gospel, because you shifted Salvation from Jesus to "as long as the person does not do this"..

So, when you put the responsibility for What God gives as the " GIFT of Salvation", unto the back of a person, for them to try to keep by SELF effort, then you have denied the Grace of God, and you have hung the person on a Cross of "keeping myself saved".
That is not the gospel. That is in fact legalism.

 

[Sidon]

But the real gospel is that God makes me righteous, with a real righteousness, .

Discipleship is all that working you are doing, because God has already saved you.

This flips into "subverted faith", and "fallen from Grace" the second you believe you have to do it, or you will lose your salvation.
In other words, if you are doing all the good works so that you go to heaven or NOT, then you are into legalism, and are "fallen from Grace".

 

[BeyondET]

Paul was stoned to death, and the brethren prayed for him, and Jesus resolved it.
It was during this that Paul saw into the 3rd Heaven, and spoke about it.

Paul exit's death, was by having his head cut off. (Martyr)
All the Apostles were murdered, (martyr'd) except for John, and his end is not stated, it just says he was lest in Patmos. This is where John received "the Revelation", that is the last epistle in the NT.

Paul could not wait to leave.
He had wanted to die earlier, and stated "its far better to be with Christ", yet, he said that it was "needful" for him to remain, as he still had some NEW TESTAMENT to write, and some Preaching and Teaching to finish.
He also had to train Titus and Timothy.


Reader, If you have time, you should read 2 books.



1. The Screwtape Letters
2. Foxe's Book of Martyrs

Are there verses for those claims or are they from commentary’s opinions.

The only mentioning that I know of is Paul being stoned and presumed dead. As soon as his disciples gathered around him he got up and went back into the city. They didn’t pray over him or anything like that.

The beheading is a story from (Eusebius) no one knows what happened to Paul.

Acts 14:19/20
19 Then some Jews arrived from Antioch and Iconium and won over the crowds. They stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, presuming he was dead.

20 But after the disciples had gathered around him, he got up and went back into the city. And the next day he left with Barnabas for Derbe.

Be careful listening and believing in all those none biblical books, like the Fox book etc.

 

[biblelesson]

A lot of what you said, other then this that i left, was pretty sound theology, as long as you stayed on the blood atonement.
But this last paragraph became a false gospel, because you shifted Salvation from Jesus to "as long as the person does not do this"..

So, when you put the responsibility for What God gives as the " GIFT of Salvation", unto the back of a person, for them to try to keep by SELF effort, then you have denied the Grace of God, and you have hung the person on a Cross of "keeping myself saved".
That is not the gospel. That is in fact legalism.

Sidon, it's possible I did not phrase my statement correctly, I was saying we can't keep the law and when we try to, we condemn ourselves based on the following scriptures:

Galatians 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Galatians 3:11, "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Romans 3:19, "Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law, that all the world may become guilty before God.

Romans 3:20, "therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

James 2:10, "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

God bless you!

 

[Sidon]

Are there verses for those claims or are they from commentary’s opinions.
The only mentioning that I know of is Paul being stoned and presumed dead.

I never use the "greek" or any commentaries.
I never quote anyone but Paul or the NT, unless i state it, and that is not once on this forum, so far.
There are some Ministers that i really enjoy......Adrain Rogers, D. Jame Kennedy. Lloyd Ogilvie....
But i dont quote them.....
Actually haven't heard them in a decade at least, except for Ogilvie, as i ran across something of his , and listen to a few minutes, last year.
What a delivery he has......Quite a theological commentator.
------------------------------------------------
I only teach Pauline Theology.
Ive many Threads posted here if you want to check my theology out.
Im going to post another i just wrote , its the 2nd Part of the "spot the devil"..
If you have the time....

IF you are truly familiar with Paul's epistles and His Gospel, then you'll recognize what i teach, in seconds.

I only use the NT, and a Messianic "Golden verses" and 2 bible promise books.
Thats my "library".

So, about Paul's death.

I"ll let you decide......

Here is the verse... ""A group of Jews from Antioch and Iconium came to Lystra and won over the crowds. Then they stoned Paul, and dragged him out of the city, supposing he was dead.""

What i can tell you is that the stones meant to kill and these had killed before.
Would they examine the body?
Ummmm.
Yeah.

And it was during this experience of death, that Paul saw the 3rd heaven.
He said.>out of the body or not, i dont know....

Probably difficult to tell when you have not died before.
New experience can be like that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

At the time Jesus walked the earth, the laws of Moses were still in effect under the Old Testament. Jesus would not have quoted another law. You find this to be true when he healed a man of leprosy in Luke 5:14, "And he charged him to tell no man but go, and show thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them."

The New Testament was not in force yet because Christ had not died. This is explained in Hebrews 9:17, "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at while the testator liveth."

And while the Old Testament was in force at the time of Jesus, He commanded his disciples not go to the Gentiles, because the Children of Israel did not associate with Gentiles as part of the old laws. Matthew 10:5, "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not."

However, Jesus would later send Apostle Paul to the Gentiles after His death and Resurrection to preach the New Testament, under the New Covenant. Hebrews 9:17, "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth."




The word "commandment" in 1 Corinthians 7:19, is not speaking of the Ten Commandments. Just because the word "commandment" appears in the bible, does not mean it always refers to the Ten Commandments. Reading further in 1 Corinthians 17:20 - 24, you will see the commandment Apostle Paul is referring to, is being called a servant in Christ. In 1 Corinthians 17:17, Apostle Pauls is clear about what commandments he is speaking of saying, "But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk (this is a commandment). He then uses the word "commandment" in referring to virgins saying in 1 Corinthians 17:24, "Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord..." If this word "commandment" was referring to the Ten Commandments, why would virgins be excluded? It is evident that he was not speaking of the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians14:35, "if any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. Apostle Paul is saying that what he has written, and that's the gospel, are the commandments of the Lord. He is not speaking of the Ten Commandments. He is speaking of the Gospel message.

You said: "If the law is taken away and there is no more sin, then we do not need grace, nor do we need a Savior because we are all lost."

Based on what you said, it appears you have not understood the atoning blood of Christ. The reason for Christ's death on the Cross was to take away our sins, that is the grace offered to us for forgiveness of sins. Yes, there is no more sin in Christ whose blood is a covering for our sins. We are offered Grace. This is the very reason why the law was nailed to the cross, and that's all of the the law, to include the Ten Commandments; because without the atoning blood of Christ, the law condemns us. At His crucifixion, for our sake, the law and commandments were taken out of the way. Christ death is enough to cover all of our sins.

The Children of Israel had to have the blood of an animal that twas sacrificed sprinkle over the entire people, animals, books, buildings,

These scriptures related to the commandments (Ten Commandments) and laws being no more: Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:22, Titus 1:14.

These scriptures related to the commandments of the gospel that we are now under: 1 Corinthians 7:19, 1 Corinthians 14:37, Colossians 4:10, 1 Thessalonians 4:2, 1 John 2:3, 1 John 2:4, 1 John 3:22, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6.

Hebrews 9 explains how the ordinances that the Children of Israel was under identified with the blood atonement of Christ, making the testimony of old no more.

Hebrews 9:19,
19 "For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 "saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 "Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 "And almost all things area by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23 "It was therefore necessary that teh patterns of thins in heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with teh better sacrifices than these

24 "For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us.

28, "so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Because the Ten Commandments was nailed to teh cross does not mean we can now sin. That's not what's going on. The law, which includes the Ten Commandment is no longer required for us to keep it. That means through teh Holy Spirit, God puts His laws in our hearts and minds, by His Spirit. God does this to make us holy before him. Our ability to walk holy is not of our own strength. We have been crucified with Christ. Again, God does it by His Spirit. That means dying to self, as we must put off the old man, so that we can walk in the new man. That's the only way we can appear holy before God.

We cannot justify ourselves by saying, "Oh, I kept the Ten Commandments," so I did not sin. Just being in the flesh we are sinners, due to the Adamic nature. Even if we keep the Ten Commandments to the letter, we would not be accepted by God because our flesh is corrupt. We need, not our power, but God's power. So many people just don't understand this.

I hope those who understand the blood atonement of Christ, and can explain it better than I can will comment here because so many people's salvation is in danger due to not understanding that if we practice any of the laws under Moses and the Children of Israel, to include the Ten Commandments, we give up our salvation because we deny salvation in Christ. The Ten Commandments is not a separate law from the other laws the Children of Israel were under.

God bless you!

I think you may have missed the whole point of the New Covenant.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

This new covenant has never ended and what Jesus was following, not the old covenant. The new covenant has the same laws, which is why it is still a sin to break God's commandments 1 John 3:4 the only difference is the promises.

The Ten Commandments was not nailed to the cross, it very clearly states "ordinances" Colossians 2:16 that was nailed to the cross and not God's commandments that we are told are eternal Psalms 89:34. The law of Moses that was written by Moses and contained ordinances and had to do with blood sacrifices and feasts days and other ceremonial laws is what was nailed to the cross with Jesus as our perfect sacrifice.

Based on what you said, it appears you have not understood the atoning blood of Christ. The reason for Christ's death on the Cross was to take away our sins, that is the grace offered to us for forgiveness of sins. Yes, there is no more sin in Christ whose blood is a covering for our sins. We are offered Grace. This is the very reason why the law was nailed to the cross, and that's all of the the law, to include the Ten Commandments; because without the atoning blood of Christ, the law condemns us. At His crucifixion, for our sake, the law and commandments were taken out of the way. Christ death is enough to cover all of our sins.

I very much understand the atoning of the blood of Christ. The reason of our Saviors great sacrifice is because our first parents sinned. Jesus wants to give mankind a second chance. Jesus did not die so we could sin freely, which is what is being preached today, but not what Jesus taught. When He healed someone, Jesus said go sin no more John 8:11 not it's okay to continuing sinning.

The definition of sin is the transgression of God's laws. If the laws was nailed to the cross as you state, than there is no more sin. If there is no more sin than we do not need grace. If we do not need grace, than we do not need a SAVIOR and if we do not need a Savior than we are all LOST.

Jesus told us He did not come to destroy God's laws. Mathew 5:17-20 and He quoted directly from the Ten and practiced God's laws. We are told to follow Christ.

God's commandments are still very much applicable and required today which is why this is one of the very last scriptures in the Bible:

Revelations 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

In contrast to those who break God's laws and have not repented:

Revelations 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Another direct reference to God's Ten.

We cannot justify ourselves by saying, "Oh, I kept the Ten Commandments," so I did not sin. Just being in the flesh we are sinners, due to the Adamic nature. Even if we keep the Ten Commandments to the letter, we would not be accepted by God because our flesh is corrupt.

You don't seem to understand the New Covenant we are in. We do not keep God's laws to be saved. We keep God's laws because we have a changed heart. When you walk with God and have the Holy Spirit guiding, you want to keep God's laws. I delight in keeping God's laws. Romans 7:22 They are written in our hearts and when we obey we are fulfilling the commandments because of our great love for our Savior. I do not want to worship others gods or vain His name, or profane His holy Sabbath day, not because I was commanded to do so, because I love my Savior so much and He died for my sins and this is His will for us. It hurts our Savior when we sin, Jesus said He gives us the Holy Spirit to help obey, John 14:15-18


The law of God is a direct reference to God's character and the very essence of who God is, which is why God's laws are kept in the Most Holy of God's Temple, now written in our hearts. Our bodies are a Temple and a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit and Gods laws are written on the heart and Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit to obey, not sin freely.

Hope this helps and God bless

 

[biblelesson]

Are there verses for those claims or are they from commentary’s opinions.

The only mentioning that I know of is Paul being stoned and presumed dead. As soon as his disciples gathered around him he got up and went back into the city. They didn’t pray over him or anything like that.

The beheading is a story from (Eusebius) no one knows what happened to Paul.

Acts 14:19/20
19 Then some Jews arrived from Antioch and Iconium and won over the crowds. They stoned Paul and dragged him outside the city, presuming he was dead.

20 But after the disciples had gathered around him, he got up and went back into the city. And the next day he left with Barnabas for Derbe.

Be careful listening and believing in all those none biblical books, like the Fox book etc.

I completely agree! I don't see where Paul was beheaded. And what I have heard about this have been from other people's commentary claiming that it is likely Paul was put to death because he was in a Roman in prison. But nowhere in the bible can I find this. In fact, the last account of Apostle Paul and his life is in the last book of Acts.

Acts 28:30, "And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God and teaching those things which concerned the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

God bless you!

 

[pescador]

Yes, if someone acts righteously and obedient to the commandments always suspect them- there must be something wrong or they wouldn't be behaving that way. It's much better to resolve to think you're right in the eyes of God and born again with no fear of losing your salvation, regardless of whether you actually sin or not, than to actually be right, which doesn't matter anyway. Personal righteousness? What a concept. It's only a bad thing now, to those enlightened ones.

To be under grace, and not under the law, in no way frees us from the obligation to be righteous.

If you're "under grace" being righteous is not an obligation, it's the natural outcome of living by the Holy Spirit's guidance.

 

[Sidon]

I think you may have missed the whole point of the New Covenant.

I think you may need to research : The blood atonement, and reconciliation by faith, along with Justification by faith, and the "gift of Righteousness".

The way to do that is read my Threads , since you are already here.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I think you may need to research : The blood atonement, and reconciliation by faith, along with Justification by faith, and the "gift of Righteousness".

The way to do that is read my Threads , since you are already here.

I think its important to study God's Word and not just listen to someone from the internet.

Salvation is a gift by Jesus, though our faith. We are saved 100% by grace. It's a free gift that Jesus gives to those He saves.

We are judged based on our works and you seem to be leaving out this important message that is taught throughout scripture.

But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 1 James 1:22

Revelations 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

 

[fhansen]

If you're "under grace" being righteous is not an obligation, it's the natural outcome of living by the Holy Spirit's guidance.

It's both- the Spirit enables and empowers while we're still the wildcard. I know few who will insist that they never sin after being born again. I remember one pastor of a church I used to attend that said he never wanted to sin after becoming a new creation in Christ. Later his marital infidelity would split his church.

 

[biblelesson]

I think you may have missed the whole point of the New Covenant.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

This new covenant has never ended and what Jesus was following, not the old covenant. The new covenant has the same laws, which is why it is still a sin to break God's commandments 1 John 3:4 the only difference is the promises.

The Ten Commandments was not nailed to the cross, it very clearly states "ordinances" Colossians 2:16 that was nailed to the cross and not God's commandments that we are told are eternal Psalms 89:34. The law of Moses that was written by Moses and contained ordinances and had to do with blood sacrifices and feasts days and other ceremonial laws is what was nailed to the cross with Jesus as our perfect sacrifice.




I very much understand the atoning of the blood of Christ. The reason of our Saviors great sacrifice is because our first parents sinned. Jesus wants to give mankind a second chance. Jesus did not die so we could sin freely, which is what is being preached today, but not what Jesus taught. When He healed someone, Jesus said go sin no more John 8:11 not it's okay to continuing sinning.

The definition of sin is the transgression of God's laws. If the laws were nailed to the cross as you state, than there is no more sin. If there is no more sin than we do not need grace. If we do not need grace, than we do not need a SAVIOR and if we do not need a Savior than we are all LOST.

Jesus told us He did not come to destroy God's laws. Mathew 5:17-20 and He quoted directly from the Ten and practiced God's laws. We are told to follow Christ.

God's commandments are still very much applicable and required today which is why this is one of the very last scriptures in the Bible:

Revelations 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

In contrast to those who break God's laws and have not repented:

Revelations 22:15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Another direct reference to God's Ten.



You don't seem to understand the New Covenant we are in. We do not keep God's laws to be saved. We keep God's laws because we have a changed heart. When you walk with God and have the Holy Spirit guiding, you want to keep God's laws. I delight in keeping God's laws. Romans 7:22 They are written in our hearts and when we obey we are fulfilling the commandments because of our great love for our Savior. I do not want to worship others gods or vain His name, or profane His holy Sabbath day, not because I was commanded to do so, because I love my Savior so much and He died for my sins and this is His will for us. It hurts our Savior when we sin, Jesus said He gives us the Holy Spirit to help obey, John 14:15-18

The law of God is a direct reference to God's character and the very essence of who God is, which is why God's laws are kept in the Most Holy of God's Temple, now written in our hearts. Our bodies are a Temple and a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit and Gods laws are written on the heart and Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit to obey, not sin freely.

Hope this helps and God bless

You are focused on the Ten Commandments, thus causing you to not see the commandments of the Gospel. There are Gospel commandments that we must live by, by the power of Holy Spirit, which encompasses the Ten Commandment. That's what you are missing. You can't see it. We don't have to keep them because all the laws hang on one law, and that's love. If we walk in the fruits of the Spirit, then for such there is no law, because the law is kept by the Spirit that God gives us. Galatians 5:22-23, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.


The fruits of the Spirit that we are commanded to walk by in the Gospel you are not seeing as the fulfillment of the law. Again, I will say, you don't see it. You are concerned with the Ten Commandment laws of the old testament, not understanding what the Gospel is all about.


Matthew 22:37-40, (this would later be quoted by Apostle Paul in the Galatians 5:14)
37, "Jesus said unto them, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all they soul, and with all thy mind."
38, "This is the first great commandment."
39, "And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40, "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Galatians 5:14, "For ALL the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

We must follow the Gospel commands, for we are under the new testament. Not the old testament. Leave the old testament laws and commandments alone. Did you know that following the old testament (The Ten Commandments) a veil is kept over our eyes? 2 Corinthians 3:14, “But their minds were blinded; for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.”

I hope I have not offended you, that’s not my aim. I really apologize, but it a serious issue. You may not know this, but we miss what the Holy Spirit’s purpose is for the believer by hanging on to the Ten Commandment Laws. The Ten Commandments is fulfilled in us by the Holy Spirit, by the Fruits of the Spirit that's given to us by God to remain holy before him. This is the focus of the Gospel.

God bless you much!

 

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You are focused on the Ten Commandments, thus causing you to not see the commandments of the Gospel. There are Gospel commandments that we must live by, by the power of Holy Spirit, which encompasses the Ten Commandment. That's what you are missing. You can't see it. We don't have to keep them because all the laws hang on one law, and that's love. If we walk in the fruits of the Spirit, then for such there is no law, because the law is kept by the Spirit that God gives us. Galatians 5:22-23, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.


The fruits of the Spirit that we are commanded to walk by in the Gospel you are not seeing as the fulfillment of the law. Again, I will say, you don't see it. You are concerned with the Ten Commandment laws of the old testament, not understanding what the Gospel is all about.


Matthew 22:37-40, (this would later be quoted by Apostle Paul in the Galatians 5:14)
37, "Jesus said unto them, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all they soul, and with all thy mind."
38, "This is the first great commandment."
39, "And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40, "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Galatians 5:14, "For ALL the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

We must follow the Gospel commands, for we are under the new testament. Not the old testament. Leave the old testament laws and commandments alone. Did you know that following the old testament (The Ten Commandments) a veil is kept over our eyes? 2 Corinthians 3:14, “But their minds were blinded; for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.”

I hope I have not offended you, that’s not my aim. I really apologize, but it a serious issue. You may not know this, but we miss what the Holy Spirit’s purpose is for the believer by hanging on to the Ten Commandment Laws. The Ten Commandments is fulfilled in us by the Holy Spirit, by the Fruits of the Spirit that's given to us by God to remain holy before him. This is the focus of the Gospel.

God bless you much!

I am focused on loving Jesus.

Jesus said: If you love Me keep My commandments John 14:15.
John 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

It's really that simple, I am always surprised people argue with this very simple request from our Savior. This ties in with the New Covenant, God's laws written in our hearts.

I also think you missed the whole point of my previous post but you repeated some of it:

The Ten Commandments is fulfilled in us by the Holy Spirit, by the Fruits of the Spirit that's given to us by God to remain holy before him. This is the focus of the Gospel.

Which is pretty much what I said previously


You don't seem to understand the New Covenant we are in. We do not keep God's laws to be saved. We keep God's laws because we have a changed heart. When you walk with God and have the Holy Spirit guiding, you want to keep God's laws. I delight in keeping God's laws. Romans 7:22 They are written in our hearts and when we obey we are fulfilling the commandments because of our great love for our Savior. I do not want to worship others gods or vain His name, or profane His holy Sabbath day, not because I was commanded to do so, because I love my Savior so much and He died for my sins and this is His will for us. It hurts our Savior when we sin, Jesus said He gives us the Holy Spirit to help obey, John 14:15-18

The Holy Spirit helps convict us of sin and when we listen and change our heart, we change our behavior. John 16:7,8 . Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit to help us obey John 14:15-18 and the Holy Spirit is given to those who obey Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Obeying is how Jesus knows us according to Jesus:

1 John 2: 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.7 Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning.

So if you are not keeping God's laws which includes God's Ten commandments, than you are not walking in God's Spirit according to scriptures and God does not know you, but He wants to.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

To summarize, because I keep getting misquoted for some reason:

We keep God's laws when we walk in His Spirit and Jesus gives us that Spirit to help us obey. God wrote His laws in our hearts and love fulfills the law and we fulfill our obligation when we obey because of our love and those laws and we do not find God's laws burdensome, but instead are a joy and a delight. We are saved by God's grace because He sacrificed Himself for our sins on our behalf. We are 100% saved by God's grace, His gift to give or not give after His righteous judgement 2 Corinthians 5:10. We do not want to hear these words from our Savior on that great day:

Mathew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

But instead:

Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God bless