How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

[Astrid]

Why quote me and then say something I clearly didn't say?

I would not read that as being a lying misquote,
or a misquote of any other kind.

Obviously you did not say that, and quotes are not
written in italics.

A little ( christian, perhaps,) generosity might
allow for asking intent, lest the falsehood be in
the accusation.

Our culture / ethics here at least calls for such.
It may be another area where Chinese ethics
are superior to Christian ethics?
What do you thunk.?

 

[Astrid]

Was this directed at me, J Mick? Since you didn't use the quote function to specify to whom you're intending your response, I can't tell. It just looks like a post and unless I had been reviewing this page and accidentally come across it, I would have never seen it.

TWO THINGS FOR YOU TO PONDER:

1) You don't get to tell ME "how" I have to do "Christianity." Not unless you have some MIGHTY, MIGHTY Hermeneutical and Historical wisdom and knowledge you're going to throw at me. And most Christians don't have that!

2) The academic world has moved on and fundamentalist Christians are floundering in the dark, unable to address the issues that are now here and have been already presented by the world for some time in opposition to the Bible. Simply taking the stance of "The Bible says it, and I believe it!" is not only naive, it shows a lack of sensibility and awareness for the world we're actually in today.

And, what's more, however much Christians may protest----and by golly they love to protest---- we don't actually get to "do Christianity" in a bubble. We can pretend like we do, though...

TIME TO WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER, FELLOW CHRISTIANS!

"...says it so I believe it" seems to me to go
deeper and darker into error than just that.

For one, if a god made man, and gave him a brain
He'd sure want people to USE it. The " so I believe"
is a way to avoid thought or responsibility.

Also, the vast pride / vanity / arrogance if it!
Nobody knows what the Bible means beyond
just what is written, that not even being the
"original'.

" Bible says it, I believe it" implicitly means
the claimant is infallible.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

"...says it so I believe it" seems to me to go
deeper and darker into error than just that.

For one, if a god made man, and gave him a brain
He'd sure want people to USE it. The " so I believe"
is a way to avoid thought or responsibility.

Also, the vast pride / vanity / arrogance if it!
Nobody knows what the Bible means beyond
just what is written, that not even being the
"original'.

" Bible says it, I believe it" implicitly means
the claimant is infallible.

Yes, you're right.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Simply taking the stance of "The Bible says it, and I believe it!" is not only naive, it shows a lack of sensibility and awareness for the world we're actually in today.

Creationism aside, have you ever had a spiritual attack? If you don't have an awareness of the spiritual realm, then you haven't come to the full "awareness" for the world we're actually in today. The bible is full of truths that can't necessarily be understood or even "proven" by today's scientific methods. But there are some things that can be proven such as the discovery of the precious stones that are to be used in the New Jerusalem. (Back in post #2,782), it was overlooked or ignored (as any kind of "evidence" will be for those not wanting to open their minds to the possibility of the bible being the word of God).

How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

Look into Lee Strobel, He Was an investigative journalist in 1980 who was an avowed atheist, Who Tried to Debunk the Resurrection of Christ, pretty interesting. Care to provide a link that sums up his arguments? Would you be interested in participating in a thread specifically examining...

www.christianforums.com

 

[AV1611VET]

Some things in Christianity are true.

Opinion and evidence vary on how much of what.

Trying to work it out is difficult.

I know.

A man once went up to a farm and said he saw his HELP WANTED sign.

Farmer: Looking to work here are ya?
Man: Yes, sir. I can do anything. Just name it.
Farmer: I'll give you until noon to fix my tractor.
10 am: All fixed, sir.
Farmer: Wow! You're good! Okay, I'll give you to until 3 to mend my fence.
1 pm: All mended, sir.
Farmer: Wow! Okay, one more test.

[The farmer leads him into the barn where there is a huge pile of potatoes.]

Farmer: Separate these into two piles: fresh and spoiled.

[Four hours later, the farmer goes to check on the man, and sees him sitting there with just two small piles.]

Farmer: What's wrong? what's taking you so long?
Man: I'm sorry, sir. This isn't like fixing a tractor or mending a fence. This job requires a value judgement, and I'm not good at judging value.

 

[YahuahSaves]

It may be another area where Chinese ethics
are superior to Christian ethics?
What do you thunk.?

So communism is superior to democracy, is it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Not unless you have some MIGHTY, MIGHTY Hermeneutical and Historical wisdom and knowledge you're going to throw at me. And most Christians don't have that.
...
TIME TO WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER, FELLOW CHRISTIANS!

And here's my alarm clock:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

So I hope you're not including me in there with "most Christians."

 

[AV1611VET]

So Pi really is 3.0

In your mind, I guess it is.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Creationism aside, have you ever had a spiritual attack? If you don't have an awareness of the spiritual realm, then you haven't come to the full "awareness" for the world we're actually in today. The bible is full of truths that can't necessarily be understood or even "proven" by today's scientific methods. But there are some things that can be proven such as the discovery of the precious stones that are to be used in the New Jerusalem. (Back in post #2,782), it was overlooked or ignored (as any kind of "evidence" will be for those not wanting to open their minds to the possibility of the bible being the word of God).

How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

Look into Lee Strobel, He Was an investigative journalist in 1980 who was an avowed atheist, Who Tried to Debunk the Resurrection of Christ, pretty interesting. Care to provide a link that sums up his arguments? Would you be interested in participating in a thread specifically examining...

www.christianforums.com

Pipp. Have I ever had a spiritual attack? Yes, I have had what I'd consider a "spiritual attack." However, the way in which I perceive such a thing and how I define might be a little different than yours.

Keep in mind, Pipp, that I've been a Christian for 36 years. I'm no "newb." I'm also not ignorant, uneducated, or naive. So, may I make a suggestion?

You dont even have ANY idea as to my thoughts, my studies or my faith. So, please. Spare us both some unneeded friction. I'm way beyond what you're estimating that I am. And I say this very soberly. If people think this is arrogant for me to say so, TOO BAD!!! You know what I'm going to say in return? I'm going to say that God (as Paul briefly stated in the letter to the Romans) doesn't put a high value on "zeal without knowledge."

So yeah. I'm anything BUT close minded. I'm expansive in my thoughts and studies. Don't belittle that. Don't slight it.

As for your precious stones video, I already indicated to you that I thought it was interesting. But one small insight doesn't make a systematic theology---not that I think one can really successfully pull off a bona-fide comprehensive theology, no matter how systematic their method is, but we all know some Christian theologians who have done a fairly decent job.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm also not ignorant, uneducated, or naive.

* cough *

Sorry.

Just clearing my throat.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

And here's my alarm clock:

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.

So I hope you're not including me in there with "most Christians."

Put a sock in it, AV! God is bigger than the Bible and, if He exists and Has placed His truth through Jesus Christ into the world, then He'll insure His Will takes place, with our without the Bible and/or our understanding of it.

We don't need your silly formula to understand this, especially where science is concerned (Like in this thread, supposedly....)

 

[2PhiloVoid]

* cough *

Sorry.

Just clearing my throat.

Maybe you need a cough suppressant? Maybe a whole bag full?

 

[YahuahSaves]

Pipp. Have I ever had a spiritual attack? Yes, I have had what I'd consider a "spiritual attack." However, the way in which I perceive such a thing and how I define might be a little different than yours.

The bible defines it clearly. Personal perceptions and definitions are irrelevant.

Keep in mind, Pipp, that I've been a Christian for 36 years.

That doesn't mean anything. Anyone can claim a label. Do you even understand the significance of the cross? You seem fairly worldly for a Christian of 36 years. Am I wrong?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

* cough *

Sorry.

Just clearing my throat.

You can't compete with me, AV. So, word to the wise. DON'T!!!!

It'll go easier for you when you deign to press us (or me) with your anecdotal vim and vigor.

 

[Lost Witness]

A little ( christian, perhaps,) generosity might
allow for asking intent,

I did ask intent?
By Asking why he intentionally misquoted me?
not interested in the Trolling and will not continue playing these games

It may be another area where Chinese ethics
are superior to Christian ethics?

Depends on if that individual is Christian and Chinese which case those 'ethics' would still be Christian,
Elsewise those 'ethics' would still likely be secular.

May the LORD Bless You and Keep You,
Good Bye.

 

[AV1611VET]

Put a sock in it, AV! God is bigger than the Bible and, if He exists and Has placed His truth through Jesus Christ into the world, then He'll insure His Will takes place, with our without the Bible and/or our understanding of it.

You do know that God holds Himself accountable to the Bible, do you not?

 

[AV1611VET]

You can't compete with me, AV. So, word to the wise. DON'T!!!!

It'll go easier for you when you deign to press us (or me) with your anecdotal vim and vigor.

Oh, oh.

Someone's having a hissy fit.

I'd hate to see this thread, with 3500 posts in it, shut down.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'd hate to see this thread, with 3500 posts in it, shut down.

And speaking of hissy fits, any day you want to cross sabers with my beliefs, get to it.

I eat people like you for breakfast.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The bible defines it clearly. Personal perceptions and definitions are irrelevant.

Pipp, that's partially correct. But don't challenge me unless you're willing to take up the gauntlet of education. Because, I will educate you.

I'm no longer going to live the rest of my life waiting for fellow Christians to get a clue so we can have peace with each other.

Take this as a Paul preaching to Peter moment. Think of it as if, in some odd way, I'm Paul and you're Peter.

That doesn't mean anything. Anyone can claim a label. Do you even understand the significance of the cross? You seem fairly worldly for a Christian of 36 years. Am I wrong?

You're definitely wrong, and, what's more, you might want to reel in those spiritual judgments you're throwing my way. I'd appreciate it if you would. I don't doubt or seek to depricate your faith----however 'newly' found it is. I'm here to help. But if other Christians think they're going to set me straight, they have another thing coming. It's that simple!

And anyone, even you, can claim to be a Christian and go around poking others in the eye with your zeal. I appreciate your zeal, but don't try to shine your newly lit light into my face. I already have the Light.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Oh, oh.

Someone's having a hissy fit.

I'd hate to see this thread, with 3500 posts in it, shut down.

Who cares? This entire website, the Entire Church, needs to wake up anyway. 2020 has already passed; it's time to see more clearly through the haze.