Abiogenesis experiments recently had life arise from non-life through natural processes.
News to me. Have they collected their origin of life prize? If it is in state of the art labs then it is no more natural then cars being produced in state of the art factories. Whatever they do in the lab via intelligent agents does not demonstrate nature alone can do it. Anymore than building cars in factories means nature can make cars.
I made a thread about it in the creationism vs evolution debate section. The first life wasn't a bacterium or any other modern cell type. It didn't even use DNA as it's genetic material, but RNA instead (which is heavily utilized in modern cells, by the way). I'll link you to the thread if you can't find it.
You are describing a hopeful monster that does not exist.
I say not to use it when debating with people that don't view the bible as a reliable source for information.
It is reliable in spite of what you subjectively believe.
That, or if you are going to use it, at least make a decent argument for the bible being a legitimate source of information first.
It is legit and contains much historicity. You have cities countries people in history. You have accounts. To flat out throw it all out means you are not open in the first place. Not open to the Bible, apologetics, Don't want this and don't want that. No watchmaker analogy and on it goes. So what in the ---- are you doing here on a Christian site?
Furthermore, I am not demanding that you believe me over anyone else. That would be super arrogant. However, the collective understanding of the world has never been as great as it is right now.
That is debatable.
Moses and Jesus never give any indication that they knew cells existed.
So?
I challenge you to demonstrate that the bible explains more about cells than I could.
It doesn't and i will challenge you to show you know more about the Bible than i do. The United States Constitution or any meaningful writing does not explain more about cells then you could. So what. They still have value. So i don't know wht your point is.
No, and no. I actually quite enjoy reading religious texts. However, most religious texts do present concepts and ideas that are demonstrably wrong. For example, the bible implies that pi equals 3... it's missing some very pertinent decimals there.
They don't have to be decimal exact for making bowl covers. (?) The bowl covers were in the context of the construction plans of the Solomon Temple.
As an example from religious stories that aren't in the bible, many of the Greek legends outright state that people can have more than one biological father as long as a woman has sex with more than one man on the same day.
Right, not in the Bible and neither is the usage of urine and dung as medicines.
So when the Christian god commands our species to hold dominion over the planet and take care of it, that means nothing to you?
God means something to me and nothing to you.
There are plenty of perfectly logical reasons to not want this planet to become a garbage pile. It'd mean the extinction of our species, for one, along with many if not all others.
There are no objective reasons since life is objectively meaningless in an atheistic universe. Any meaning or purpose assigned is either group or individual fiction relative to objective reality. Nothing logical about filling your head with fictions relative to objective reality and then acting on them. The end result is the same. Extinction, futility. ''Life is a tale, told by an idiot, signifying nothing.'' There is your objective reality and you should adapt to what is and not what you would like it to be.
I suppose, as long as we ourselves aren't causing the extinction events... oh wait, lots of species have gone extinct because of our activities. And it can negatively impact our own lives to lose those species, so if the internal desire not to kill off species when you can avoid it isn't enough or doesn't apply to you, that selfish motivation is always there.
Right a lot of species are going extinct. The planet is dying out. We are dying? So why not be contented as cows in the fields since we have it better than most who have ever lived. Why are you not as contented as an Ox at the wheel going round and round without a care in the world? Why do you clutter your head with subjective fictions?
All I was suggesting was that utilizing Genesis in an argument against a non-Christian is going to be ineffective (unless they are Jewish or Muslim, I suppose). I wouldn't bring up Hindu gods like Vishnu to try to convince you of the value of preserving this planet, since I know you don't view the Vedas as a reliable source of morality or information in general. Neither do I, for that matter.
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