How to prove God exists.

[VirOptimus]

Oh I see what you mean... By ''little Indians'' I thought of the Indian children.

Native americans. And thats only part of the ignorance.

 

[just a believing guy]

What dors profit have to do with it? Is this some variant of Pascals wager? Thats a very lacking argument.

I'm an atheist because I reject the existance of metaphysics.

Well, in my opinion Pascal was right about that, a bit opportunistic, but true.

Why do you reject the existance of metaphysics?

 

[VirOptimus]

Well, in my opinion Pascal was right about that, a bit opportunistic, but true.

Why do you reject the existance of metaphysics?

Because I understand reality and dont let wishful thinking dictate my perception of the same.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

What does atheism profit you?

Why the antiquated language? why not just ask what are the benefits?

 

[just a believing guy]

Native americans. And thats only part of the ignorance.

There is misunderstanding: by Indians I meant people from India, of course.

 

[just a believing guy]

Because I understand reality and dont let wishful thinking dictate my perception of the same.

How do you understand reality?

 

[just a believing guy]

Why the antiquated language? why not just ask what are the benefits?

OK.

 

[VirOptimus]

How do you understand reality?

By learning, observing and reasoning mostly.

You?

 

[VirOptimus]

There is misunderstanding: by Indians I meant people from India, of course.

Ok, mea culpa.

 

[just a believing guy]

Ok, mea culpa.

Keep it real

 

[just a believing guy]

dp

 

[just a believing guy]

By learning, observing and reasoning mostly.

You?

Learning, observing and reasoning have nothing against religion.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Bringing of western civilization means bringing order. Let's say that I wonder why the average Indian in the city while waiting for his train wears his typically western wardrobe.

The Middle-Eastern, Egyptian, Chinese, and Pre-Columbian American civilizations, to mention a few, were well-ordered long before Christianity appeared.

I suspect you really mean Christian mores and morality, in which case your earlier claim is tautological. BTW Christianization is considered part of late medieval to early modern civilization.

p.s. I heard on the radio this morning that the core Christian tenet is humility, which made me chuckle...

 

[just a believing guy]

The Middle-Eastern, Egyptian, Chinese, and Pre-Columbian American civilizations, to mention a few, were well-ordered long before Christianity appeared.

I suspect you really mean Christian mores and morality, in which case your earlier claim is tautological. BTW Christianization is considered part of late medieval to early modern civilization.

p.s. I heard on the radio this morning that the core Christian tenet is humility, which made me chuckle...

Yep. Even today our hearts skip a bit when we hear about the Pre-Columbian mores of sacrifice...

Christian mores and morality civilized all the regions you mentioned.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

From my limited interactions with this poster, I have come to the preliminary conclusion that he is one of those who believe that only his kind of(whatever) are the real kind.
Only his civilization is real civilization, so of course his tribe spread it around. Only his faith is the real faith, so everyone else is an atheist.

It seems to me an extraordinarily parochial view that ignores the real world in favour of a simplistic just-so story.

I'm curious to know the educational background some of the posters here - I attended a Roman Catholic primary school and a Benedictine abbey secondary school, but along with religious education, I still received a solid background in both arts and sciences...

 

[Freodin]

It seems to me an extraordinarily parochial view that ignores the real world in favour of a simplistic just-so story.

I'm curious to know the educational background some of the posters here - I attended a Roman Catholic primary school and a Benedictine abbey secondary school, but along with religious education, I still received a solid background in both arts and sciences...

It is a very convenient worldview that enables you to ignore all kinds of problems arising from the "real world".
If you agree with it, it is a great and wonderful example of how great and wonderful your position is. If you don't agree with it... then it isn't a "real" part of your position at all, and just an example of how awful and depressing the outside "world" is.

 

[VirOptimus]

Learning, observing and reasoning have nothing against religion.

I didnt say that it does.

 

[VirOptimus]

Yep. Even today our hearts skip a bit when we hear about the Pre-Columbian mores of sacrifice...

Christian mores and morality civilized all the regions you mentioned.

This is dangerously close to "white mans burden".

 

[just a believing guy]

I didnt say that it does.

You strongly implied it, however.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yep.
... Christian mores and morality civilized all the regions you mentioned.

So when you said, "the West brought civilization to all the countries where there are different religions", you really meant, "the West brought Christian mores and morality to all the countries where there are different religions". If you know your Christian history, you should be aware that the East originally brought Christian mores and morality to the West.

Western Christians may have taken Christian mores and morality to many countries where there are different religions, but they weren't necessarily accepted by the extant cultures - to take your example of India, Hinduism is still the majority religion there with ~80% of the population, Islam has 14%, and Christianity only ~2.5%; not a great success. Likewise, in China, Christianity has ~2.5%, less than Buddhism (~16%) and folk religion (~74%). In Japan too, Christianity only has ~2.5%, well behind Buddhism and Shinto.

However, if you define being 'civilized' as adopting the mores and morality of your particular culture and religion, you'll find other cultures and religions will have their own definitions of 'civilized', involving their own mores and morality. 'Civilization' already has a well-accepted meaning that is not culturally relative, so I would suggest that defining it to accord with your personal cultural preferences is a backward step. YMMV.