How to prove God exists.

[bhsmte]

What is your point?

I think he just made it.

 

[Radrook]

No, I certainly didn´t introduce it.






To me it seemed like you did more than merely following it. You made it almost look like you were participating in it and bringing up points of your own.

I never claimed that I was merely following it. Is commenting on other people's conversations within a thread against forum rules? I mean, you do it all the time with my discussions.

 

[Radrook]

I think he just made it.

Being cryptic conveys NOTHING. Usually because there really isn't anything to convey.

 

[quatona]

I never claimed that I was merely following it.

So saying "i am merely following it" is not claiming that you are merely following it? o-kay.

 

[Radrook]

LOL. Still waiting on evidence.

So saying "i am merely following it" is not claiming that you are merely following it? o-kay.

I did not say I was merely following it and not striving to contribute to the discussion.

 

[Pachomius]

Dear readers here, I like to bring to your notice that it is almost impossble to talk with atheists as to be focused and be systematic and be viable, because they always play hide and seek.

See the quote below from an atheist: I want to deal with God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and with that concept to invite them to go with me to search for evidence in the univerese, in man, and in everyting with a beginning, or even the very presence of an entity corresponding to the concept of God presented by me, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, please read carefully the quote below from an atheist, and it is all like that with all atheists.

Is that serious exchange with me, or into all kinds and manners of hide and seek, seek to hide deeper and darker.

Let's try something here...

I'll go ahead and assume that you do not believe in any of the following:
- the Norse gods Odin, Thor, Freya, Loki, etc.
- the Egyptian gods Apophis, Ra, Baäl, etc.
- the Mayan god Quetzalcoatl
- the Greek gods Zeus, Poseiden,...
- the Roman gods Jupiter, Apollo...
- the Gallic gods Toutatis,...
- the Indian gods Shiva, Krishna
- the scientologist galactic emperor Xenu
- the god Clippagooda-dodo (which I just made up)

Right?

Can you tell me in 1 to 5 sentences, why not?
And your answer can't be "because I already am a christian". I'm asking for an actual reason for your unbelief in any of these entities, regardless of your other beliefs.
Clearly you are not convinced about the existance of any of these. The question is: why not?

You need not go into detail about any singular point. I assure you that there is one reason that is applicable to all of them.

Once you answer, I'll expand and tell you why I am an atheist.

I look forward to your reponse.

 

[quatona]

I did not say I was merely following it .

I am merely following the discussion already in progress.

 

[bhsmte]

Dear readers here, I like to bring to your notice that it is almost impossble to talk with atheists as to be focused and be systematic and be viable, because they always play hide and seek.

See the quote below from an atheist: I want to deal with God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and with that concept to invite them to go with me to search for evidence in the univerese, in man, and in everyting with a beginning, or even the very presence of an entity corresponding to the concept of God presented by me, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, please read carefully the quote below from an atheist, and it is all like that with all atheists.

Is that serious exchange with me, or into all kinds and manners of hide and seek, seek to hide deeper and darker.

More word salad with projection.

 

[quatona]

Dear readers here, I like to bring to your notice that it is almost impossble to talk with atheists

So why, then are you permanently seeking our company, telling us you want to be like us?

 

[Freodin]

Dear readers here, I like to bring to your notice that it is almost impossble to talk with atheists as to be focused and be systematic and be viable, because they always play hide and seek.

See the quote below from an atheist: I want to deal with God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and with that concept to invite them to go with me to search for evidence in the univerese, in man, and in everyting with a beginning, or even the very presence of an entity corresponding to the concept of God presented by me, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, please read carefully the quote below from an atheist, and it is all like that with all atheists.

Is that serious exchange with me, or into all kinds and manners of hide and seek, seek to hide deeper and darker.

(Bolded for emphasis)

I presented you with a detailed explanation about the failings of exactly the concept of "first and foremost etc..."

You ignored it. That is your choice.

But if you now want to claim to "all atheists" are playing "hide and seek" with you... your honesty will be called into question.

 

[Radrook]

But since I already clarified-what is your point?

 

[Pachomius]

Dear Loudmouth, when you come over, please tell me, have you yourself ever taken the task of searching evidence by yourself, or you have never done that.


Now, dear readers, please take notice how atheists here are the ones into word salad by which they put up a wall of hide and seek, with words coming from nowhere and going nowhere, in re God exists or not, in terms of reason, intelligence, and relevancy.

One of their recurring attempts at digression is the recourse to flippancy, which is using words to not communicate anything of reason and intelligence and serious concentration on getting to the issue, for example, at this point in time, that I am asking Loudmouth to tell me, whether he has ever himself at all by himself sought evidence, instead of asking for evidence from people who know God exists.


Dear readers here, I invite you to sit back with me and take notice on how atheists are always into hide and seek, like with flippancy, instead of sincerely and systematically, at this point in time, to search into themselves whether they have ever taken the task to by themselves look for evidence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


Addressing Loudmouth, when you next write here, please tell me whether you yourself have ever at all taken the task to by yourself search for evidence, or you have never ever at all by yourself taken up that task.

 

[Freodin]

Now, dear readers, please take notice how atheists here are the ones into word salad by which they put up a wall of hide and seek, with words coming from nowhere and going nowhere, in re God exists or not, in terms of reason, intelligence, and relevancy.

One of their recurring attempts at digression is the recourse to flippancy, which is using words to not communicate anything of reason and intelligence and serious concentration on getting to the issue, for example, at this point in time, that I am asking Loudmouth to tell me, whether he has ever himself at all by himself sought evidence, instead of asking for evidence from people who know God exists.


Dear readers here, I invite you to sit back with me and take notice on how atheists are always into hide and seek, like with flippancy, instead of sincerely and systematically, at this point in time, to search into themselves whether they have ever taken the task to by themselves look for evidence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Dear readers here (well, those of us who are not already convinced that this guy is a bot or a parody)

I'd like you to notice how this person - Pachomius - did receive a detailed explanation from me about how his pet-phrase-definition of "God" doesn't work, ignored it, was reminded of it (inclusive link), ignored it again, was reminded of that, and ignored that also.
The original argument against his claims can be found here.
I predict that he will ignore it again.

And again I state: that is his choice.

But to claim that no one wants to adress his point and everyone is just playing "hide and seek" with him... well, I don't like to do that, but if he isn't a bot who is unable to adress a point or a parody who would go against his goals if he did so... well, I don't think I have to spell it out how he is not following the "false witness" commandment, do I?

 

[Pachomius]

Dear atheists here, when you want to write your thoughts here, in this thread of mine, please just concentrate on my exchange with Loudmouth.

At his point in time, we are into the No. 2 item of our exchange, namely, that he teach me how to become like himself.

So, atheists here, do something also to teach me how you get to become or to call yourselves atheists.

In particular, we are talking about from my part that he should teach me or tell me whether he has himself ever taken the task to by himself to search for evidence.

Now, as regards your question why I want to learn from you, it is because in this way you will really do a genuine self-study on how you get to become atheists, from your part, and for my part I will get to know how you think, if at all, instead of setting up all kinds and manners of hide and seek.

I have to leave now, be back later in the late afternoon.


Thanks, dear readers here, for sitting with me to witness with bated breath how atheists conduct themselves.

 

[Freodin]

Dear atheists here, when you want to write your thoughts here, in this thread of mine, please just concentrate on my exchange with Loudmouth.

At his point in time, we are into the No. 2 item of our exchange, namely, that he teach me how to become like himself.

So, atheists here, do something also to teach me how you get to become or to call yourselves atheists.

In particular, we are talking about from my part that he should teach me or tell me whether he has himself ever taken the task to by himself to search for evidence.

Now, as regards your question why I want to learn from you, it is because in this way you will really do a genuine self-study on how you get to become atheists, from your part, and for my part I will get to know how you think, if at all, instead of setting up all kinds and manners of hide and seek.

I have to leave now, be back later in the late afternoon.


Thanks, dear readers here, for sitting with me to witness with bated breath how atheists conduct themselves.

I predict that he will ignore it again.

I rest my case.
Don't feed the troll.

 

[Gene2memE]

Dear readers here, I like to bring to your notice that it is almost impossble to talk with atheists as to be focused and be systematic and be viable, because they always play hide and seek.

See the quote below from an atheist: I want to deal with God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and with that concept to invite them to go with me to search for evidence in the univerese, in man, and in everyting with a beginning, or even the very presence of an entity corresponding to the concept of God presented by me, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, please read carefully the quote below from an atheist, and it is all like that with all atheists.

Is that serious exchange with me, or into all kinds and manners of hide and seek, seek to hide deeper and darker.

Referencing the bolded section: You don't get to assume your conclusion in your initial premise.

That's fallacious reasoning - it's begging the question. You cannot base your proposition that you're trying to prove on a premise that is itself unproven.

Substantiate your initial premise.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I rest my case.
Don't feed the troll.

It's clearly a waste of time. He just repeats the same fallacious spiel and doesn't respond to any substantive questions.

 

[Radrook]

If God exist, why would that remove the reason for faith?

Because a person who makes such a statement thinks that belief in an ID or a God requires belief with absolutely no evidence. It is referred to as BLIND faith and is completely contrary to what we are told in the Bible concerning the reasons why we should believe in a creator.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Dear readers here, I like to bring to your notice that it is almost impossble to talk with atheists as to be focused and be systematic and be viable, because they always play hide and seek.

See the quote below from an atheist: I want to deal with God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, and with that concept to invite them to go with me to search for evidence in the univerese, in man, and in everyting with a beginning, or even the very presence of an entity corresponding to the concept of God presented by me, namely, God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Now, please read carefully the quote below from an atheist, and it is all like that with all atheists.

Is that serious exchange with me, or into all kinds and manners of hide and seek, seek to hide deeper and darker.

So, I take it that you don't wish to answer my question?
Who's really the one playing hide and seek here?

I was under the impression that you were genuinly asking us why we are atheists. People have been trying to explain it to you, but it doesn't seem to be registering. So I thought I'ld try something different.

I'm trying to make it clear to you why I don't believe in the supernatural things that you do believe in. And the point of my question was to make you reflect on the fact that there are a LOT of supernatural claims that you do not believe either.

See, you know how it is to NOT believe in something and for what kind of reasons you reject those claims. I know that you know this, because you are not a muslim. You are not a hindu. You are not a buddhist.

Why are you not a muslim or a hindu?
Why don't you believe that you will dine with Odin in the great halls of Whalhalla?
Why don't you believe that people get abducted by aliens and have weird sex experiments performed on them?
Why don't you believe that bigfoot or the krakken exists?

There is one simple answer to all these questions.

And it is the same answer that I will give when you ask me why I am not a christian.

I'm not going to spoonfeed it to you, because that clearly doesn't work.
I want you to think about it yourself.

It's not hard.

Anyhow, it seems it is a waste of time anyway.
Clearly, you have no intentions of having an open and honest discussion.

 

[Pachomius]

Dear atheists here, as of this point in time, Loudmouth has not yet replied to my post (correct me if I am wrong), see Annex below.

Now, dear atheists here, you are disturbed that I routinely tell readers and you and Loudmouth, that you are into hide and seek mindset in regard to the issue God exists or not.

And you on the other hand tell me that I am into hide and seek.

Tell you what, Oh dear atheists here, let you and me work together to come to concurrence on what exactly is your position on God exists or not, that is No. 1 item.

No. 2 item is what can you and will you teach me as the most important thing you want me to imitate you on or even emulated in you, Oh atheists here, as to also myself come to become like one of you, as you will describe yourselves to be, in your response to No. 1 item.

So, for your convenience here are the two items that I like to see you, Oh atheists here, take your reason, intelligence, honesty, and sincerity to, in order that I will know what is exactly your position on the issue God exists or not, that’s No. 1.

And please don’t tell me that you all do not have the same position, etc., in which case you are into hide and seek.

1. What exactly is your position in regard to God exists or not?

2. Please teach me the most importantly crucial lesson by which I will emulate you as to become like you, Oh atheists here.

There, Oh ye atheists, you can now present to me, but first consult among yourselves, Oh atheists, what is your concerted together position on the issue God exists or not, then tell me.

Otherwise you will continue to play hide and seek with bringing up many things in broad fuzzy orientation, in order to hide and seek deeper and darker, from coming up with your No. 1 item.

Or you want instead to go to No. 2 item, without touching on No. 1 first, then be my guest, but first Oh atheists here, get together as to consult mutually to come to a concerted common first lesson you, Oh atheists here, want to together teach me, so that I will emulate you to become like unto yourselves.


Dear readers here, let us sit back and await with bated breath the reactions of atheists here to this post from yours truly.

Namely:

1. What exactly is your position in regard to God exists or not?

2. Please teach me the most importantly crucial lesson by which I will emulate you as to become like you, Oh atheists here.


But I tell you, dear readers here, they will again go into hide and seek mode.

And that is their strategy on the issue God exists or not, hide and seek, like saying as with Loudmouth in reaction to No. 1, that he has in effect doubts on God existing or not.


Now, Oh atheists here, if you have doubts on God existing, then do the logical thing, clear up your doubts, by thinking on reason and observation, and more expansively on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas from the best thinkers of mankind.


Dear atheists here, I am, and also dear readers here, I am all with bated breath waiting to read your reactions to the present post from yours truly.


Olay, no word salad, Oh ye atheists, another hide and seek gimmick with bringing in word salad by one atheist here, as also with another atheist here telling readers that I or he suspects that I am a bot.

Well that is already routine with atheists hide and see, so also they call God with Bertrand Russell, an orbiting teapot in space, and with today's atheists, a flying spaghetti monster - all in aid of hide and seek.

No, no word salad, but if you are lost owing to your hide and seek gimmick, just read again these two items, and choose one to react to.

1. What exactly is your position in regard to God exists or not?

2. Please teach me the most importantly crucial lesson by which I will emulate you as to become like you, Oh atheists here.



Annex

Dear atheists here, when you want to write your thoughts here, in this thread of mine, please just concentrate on my exchange with Loudmouth.

At his point in time, we are into the No. 2 item of our exchange, namely, that he teach me how to become like himself.

So, atheists here, do something also to teach me how you get to become or to call yourselves atheists.

In particular, we are talking about from my part that he should teach me or tell me whether he has himself ever taken the task to by himself to search for evidence.

Now, as regards your question why I want to learn from you, it is because in this way you will really do a genuine self-study on how you get to become atheists, from your part, and for my part I will get to know how you think, if at all, instead of setting up all kinds and manners of hide and seek.

I have to leave now, be back later in the late afternoon.


Thanks, dear readers here, for sitting with me to witness with bated breath how atheists conduct themselves.