How to prove God exists.

[Pachomius]

Dear Loudmouth and atheists similar to you, thanks for your replies to my two requests:

1. What exactly is your position on God existing or not existing?

2. Teach me step by step to be similar to you.

As regards No. 1, honestly I am still vague with what your position is, at all, in re God exists or not.

But at least tell me do you at all have any information of (no, this is not any trap as to then insist that you already accept the existence of God when you know the information of what God you are talking about) the concept of God, so that at least I know that you and I are talking about the same concept.

Otherwise it is altogether nonsense talk between you and me, do you get that at all?

For the present, please think carefully exactly what is your position in re God existing or not, but again you have got to harbor in your mind some information at all of God.

We will return to No. 1.

Now, in regard to No. 2, my request to you to teach me step by step, how to become like your in re God exists or not, I have not read any attempt from your part to teach me.

Of course I fear that as usual you will go into hide and seek mode again, hide as to not commit anything of any teaching to me on how to become like you, and seek, by seeking to hide better, in order to (comic mode from me now) shoot sniper's bullets more lethally on your victims.

Prove me wrong with my fear, by factually telling me, like this:

Step 1. Dear Pachomius, first you must learn how to think like the way I [you] think, here, like this...

Okay, Loudmouth and all atheists similar to Loudmouth, are you ready to teach me how to become like you, in re God exists or not, or you ( please bear with me but I am clear about what I see you to be into ) want to hide and seek, seek to hide better and deeper, all the time and in every context of communication that is viable.

So, I am waiting and I am sure readers here are also waiting with bated breath to read your instructions step by step, how to become from my part to become like you Loudmouth and also atheists of your kind.

As regards, No. 1, I will come to that again later, in the meantime you do some clear and precision thinking, on what exactly your position is in re God existing or not, and also of course get some information on the concept of God that you might have some focus on, in re God existing or not.

Let us on your next posts here, just concentrate from my part I will learn from you how to become like you, and from your part you will teach me step by step.

Okay?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Dear Loudmouth and atheists similar to you, thanks for your replies to my two requests:

1. What exactly is your position on God existing or not existing?

2. Teach me step by step to be similar to you.

As regards No. 1, honestly I am still vague with what your position is, at all, in re God exists or not.

But at least tell me do you at all have any information of (no, this is not any trap as to then insist that you already accept the existence of God when you know the information of what God you are talking about) the concept of God, so that at least I know that you and I are talking about the same concept.

Otherwise it is altogether nonsense talk between you and me, do you get that at all?

For the present, please think carefully exactly what is your position in re God existing or not, but again you have got to harbor in your mind some information at all of God.

We will return to No. 1.

Now, in regard to No. 2, my request to you to teach me step by step, how to become like your in re God exists or not, I have not read any attempt from your part to teach me.

Of course I fear that as usual you will go into hide and seek mode again, hide as to not commit anything of any teaching to me on how to become like you, and seek, by seeking to hide better, in order to (comic mode from me now) shoot sniper's bullets more lethally on your victims.

Prove me wrong with my fear, by factually telling me, like this:

Step 1. Dear Pachomius, first you must learn how to think like the way I [you] think, here, like this...

Okay, Loudmouth and all atheists similar to Loudmouth, are you ready to teach me how to become like you, in re God exists or not, or you ( please bear with me but I am clear about what I see you to be into ) want to hide and seek, seek to hide better and deeper, all the time and in every context of communication that is viable.

So, I am waiting and I am sure readers here are also waiting with bated breath to read your instructions step by step, how to become from my part to become like you Loudmouth and also atheists of your kind.

As regards, No. 1, I will come to that again later, in the meantime you do some clear and precision thinking, on what exactly your position is in re God existing or not, and also of course get some information on the concept of God that you might have some focus on, in re God existing or not.

Let us on your next posts here, just concentrate from my part I will learn from you how to become like you, and from your part you will teach me step by step.

Okay?

Let's try something here...

I'll go ahead and assume that you do not believe in any of the following:
- the Norse gods Odin, Thor, Freya, Loki, etc.
- the Egyptian gods Apophis, Ra, Baäl, etc.
- the Mayan god Quetzalcoatl
- the Greek gods Zeus, Poseiden,...
- the Roman gods Jupiter, Apollo...
- the Gallic gods Toutatis,...
- the Indian gods Shiva, Krishna
- the scientologist galactic emperor Xenu
- the god Clippagooda-dodo (which I just made up)

Right?

Can you tell me in 1 to 5 sentences, why not?
And your answer can't be "because I already am a christian". I'm asking for an actual reason for your unbelief in any of these entities, regardless of your other beliefs.
Clearly you are not convinced about the existance of any of these. The question is: why not?

You need not go into detail about any singular point. I assure you that there is one reason that is applicable to all of them.

Once you answer, I'll expand and tell you why I am an atheist.

I look forward to your reponse.

 

[Michael]

No, it simply means that in there view there might be a God or there might not be a God. They just don't know one way or the other. They are not denying any of the two nor affirming either of the two. They are neutral. Atheism demands a denial that there is a God or gods. Agnostics do not deny. That is my personal distinction and I prefer to keep it that way instead of unnecessarily complicating things so that discussion becomes impossible due to quibbling over nuances.

Technically only "strong" atheism is related to "belief" that no God exists, whereas "weak" atheism is akin to what you're describing as agnosticism. Most "atheists" I've met tend to fall into the "weak" atheism category rather than the "strong" atheism category, therefore the "broad" category of atheism is typically defined as a "lack of belief" in the existence of God, without that 'demand' aspect.

 

[Loudmouth]

As regards No. 1, honestly I am still vague with what your position is, at all, in re God exists or not.

I don't believe in God, but I keep the possibility open that God could exist. I don't see how I can make it any clearer than that.

But at least tell me do you at all have any information of (no, this is not any trap as to then insist that you already accept the existence of God when you know the information of what God you are talking about) the concept of God, so that at least I know that you and I are talking about the same concept.

I am using the concept you have already put forth in this thread.

Now, in regard to No. 2, my request to you to teach me step by step, how to become like your in re God exists or not, I have not read any attempt from your part to teach me.

I just gave you the steps. Which steps are unclear? Which do you have question about?

Prove me wrong with my fear, by factually telling me, like this:

Step 1. Dear Pachomius, first you must learn how to think like the way I [you] think, here, like this...

I already gave you step 1. Here it is again.

Step 1: Ask for evidence that God exists from people who claim that God exists.

Is there some part of this that you are not understanding or have questions about?

I have already given you the steps and you are acting as if I didn't list them at all. It seems that you are playing hide and seek with me.

 

[Michael]

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Ask LM why he believes in 'unseen' (in the lab) forms of invisible matter, and I assure you that it will get a lot more "messy", and his explanation will demonstrate the convoluted nature of his concept of "evidence".

 

[HitchSlap]

1. What exactly is your position on God existing or not existing?

Doesn't exist.

2. Teach me step by step to be similar to you.

Sorry, there's only one me. You'll have to get your own you.

As regards No. 1, honestly I am still vague with what your position is, at all, in re God exists or not.

See above.

But at least tell me do you at all have any information of (no, this is not any trap as to then insist that you already accept the existence of God when you know the information of what God you are talking about) the concept of God, so that at least I know that you and I are talking about the same concept.

Yes, I understand the concept of god/s. Are you familiar with Dennett's concept of "belief in belief"?

Otherwise it is altogether nonsense talk between you and me, do you get that at all?

Yes, I'm starting to get that impression.

/snip/
Okay?

 

[Loudmouth]

Thunderbolts Forum • View topic - Lambda-CDM - EU/PC Theory - Confirmation Bias

Ask LM why he believes in 'unseen' (in the lab) forms of invisible matter, and I assure you that it will get a lot more "messy", and his explanation will demonstrate the convoluted nature of his concept of "evidence".

We do see distortions of starlight from mass that is not luminous. Those distortions of starlight are seen evidence.

 

[Pachomius]

Okay, Loudmouth and atheists like you, step 1 from your instructions how to become like you is to seek for evidence.

Now, tell me how you look for evidence, okay?

So that I will follow you, okay?

I am after learning from you on how to become like you; you say as coming from your own history, to seek evidence, so I am intent on learning from you in your own personal history, how to follow you on how you seek evidence.

Don't again go into hide and seek, seek to hide more, from letting me know how you step by step come to your present position of whatever is your position if any at all that is of any consistency and coherency.

More on request No. 1 later.

Let me just learn from your history on how you do step 1, which is seek evidence, but I want to learn from you, please, not from others, on how you yourself seek evidence.


Dear readers, let us sit back and await with bated breath to read Loudmouth's instruction to us on how he seeks evidence.

 

[Michael]

We do see distortions of starlight from mass that is not luminous. Those distortions of starlight are seen evidence.

Thunderbolts Forum • View topic - Lambda-CDM - EU/PC Theory - Confirmation Bias

You'll note that LM is in pure denial of the fact that they *underestimated* the number of entire stars in those studies by a whopping factor of between 3 and 20 times depending on the size of the star and the type of galaxy in question. That lensing study only provided "evidence" that you folks were virtually *clueless* about "estimating" the correct amount of baryonic mass in any given galaxy.

 

[HitchSlap]

Okay, Loudmouth and atheists like you, step 1 from your instructions how to become like you is to seek for evidence.

Now, tell me how you look for evidence, okay?

So that I will follow you, okay?

I am after learning from you on how to become like you; you say as coming from your own history, to seek evidence, so I am intent on learning from you in your own personal history, how to follow you on how you seek evidence.

Don't again go into hide and seek, seek to hide more, from letting me know how you step by step come to your present position of whatever is your position if any at all that is of any consistency and coherency.

More on request No. 1 later.

Let me just learn from your history on how you do step 1, which is seek evidence, but I want to learn from you, please, not from others, on how you yourself seek evidence.


Dear readers, let us sit back and await with bated breath to read Loudmouth's instruction to us on how he seeks evidence.

So now you're asking us to provide you with evidence for your god/s?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Technically only "strong" atheism is related to "belief" that no God exists, whereas "weak" atheism is akin to what you're describing as agnosticism. Most "atheists" I've met tend to fall into the "weak" atheism category rather than the "strong" atheism category, therefore the "broad" category of atheism is typically defined as a "lack of belief" in the existence of God, without that 'demand' aspect.

The definition of an agnostic is, strictly speaking, someone who believes that nothing is known, or that nothing can be known, about the existence or otherwise of a god or gods. An agnostic is therefore a weak atheist; but a non-agnostic weak atheist simply lacks belief in a god or gods without having belief about knowledge, or the possibility of knowledge, of a god or gods.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Okay, Loudmouth and atheists like you, step 1 from your instructions how to become like you is to seek for evidence.

Now, tell me how you look for evidence, okay?

So that I will follow you, okay?

I am after learning from you on how to become like you; you say as coming from your own history, to seek evidence, so I am intent on learning from you in your own personal history, how to follow you on how you seek evidence.

Don't again go into hide and seek, seek to hide more, from letting me know how you step by step come to your present position of whatever is your position if any at all that is of any consistency and coherency.

More on request No. 1 later.

Let me just learn from your history on how you do step 1, which is seek evidence, but I want to learn from you, please, not from others, on how you yourself seek evidence.


Dear readers, let us sit back and await with bated breath to read Loudmouth's instruction to us on how he seeks evidence.

It's becoming harder to pretend to take you seriously, tbh

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

We do see distortions of starlight from mass that is not luminous. Those distortions of starlight are seen evidence.

I suspect this will only lead to Michael derailing the thread with his LCDM obsession.

 

[Loudmouth]

I suspect this will only lead to Michael derailing the thread with his LCDM obsession.

Hopefully it will help people understand what observed evidence is.

 

[Loudmouth]

Okay, Loudmouth and atheists like you, step 1 from your instructions how to become like you is to seek for evidence.

Now, tell me how you look for evidence, okay?

I already gave you that information.

Step 1: Ask for evidence that God exists from people who claim that God exists.

Find people who claim that God exists and ask them for the evidence that convinced them that God exists.

 

[Michael]

I suspect this will only lead to Michael derailing the thread with his LCDM obsession.

There's a valid point here between any specific *observation* (humans experiencing something they call "God/gravitational lensing), and the subjective nature of proposing an assumed *cause* of that observation (God/exotic matter). The term 'evidence' is typically quite subjective at some level.

 

[Loudmouth]

There's a valid point here between any specific *observation* (humans experiencing something they call "God/gravitational lensing), and the subjective nature of proposing an assumed *cause* of that observation (God/exotic matter). The term 'evidence' is typically quite subjective at some level.

Exotic matter is only one hypothesis currently being tested. However, I don't see how anyone can argue that there isn't valid scientific evidence for ample amounts of non-luminous matter (i.e. dark matter), whatever it may end up being made of.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

There's a valid point here between any specific *observation* (humans experiencing something they call "God/gravitational lensing), and the subjective nature of proposing an assumed *cause* of that observation (God/exotic matter). The term 'evidence' is typically quite subjective at some level.

I don't disagree.

 

[Pachomius]

Dear Loudmouth, you are purposefully not linking to me, you say that I should seek evidence from people who know God exists - wrong!


From the start I want to learn from you, how you come to your kind of a position, at this point in time, how you seek evidence (or don't).

Just read again my immediately preceding post, I want to learn how you seek evidence (or don't).

That is your template in our exchange, you are into hide and seek, seek to hide more deeper and darker.

Whereas I want to learn from you, from you history, please get that, and stop taking to hide and seek to hide even more and more and more.

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Pachomius


Okay, Loudmouth and atheists like you, step 1 from your instructions how to become like you is to seek for evidence.

Now, tell me how you look for evidence, okay?

So that I will follow you, okay?

I am after learning from you on how to become like you; you say as coming from your own history, to seek evidence, so I am intent on learning from you in your own personal history, how to follow you on how you seek evidence.

Don't again go into hide and seek, seek to hide more, from letting me know how you step by step come to your present position of whatever is your position if any at all that is of any consistency and coherency.

More on request No. 1 later.

Let me just learn from your history on how you do step 1, which is seek evidence, but I want to learn from you, please, not from others, on how you yourself seek evidence.


Dear readers, let us sit back and await with bated breath to read Loudmouth's instruction to us on how he seeks evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

From the start I want to learn from you, how you come to your kind of a position, at this point in time, how you seek evidence (or don't).

I already told you. I go to people that claim they believe in God and I ask them to present the evidence. That's how I seek evidence.

What aren't you understanding?