How to prove God exists.

[Radrook]

Just a friendly reminder, folks: this is the forum for Physical and Life Sciences.
While I personally am not opposed to threads like this one at all, the Powers That Be are not looking kindly on out-of-topic discussions, and definitly seem to be set against General Apologetic topics outside of the very narrow allowed spaces here.

We don't want the P&S forum to go the same way as the Philosophy forum, do we?

I didn't post this thread.

 

[AV1611VET]

We don't want the P&S forum to go the same way as the Philosophy forum, do we?

Would it matter to someone who posts just over two posts per day?

 

[Pachomius]

As dear atheists you may find this post too long to read, please just produce one objection to God’s existence that is not an instance of playing hide and seek with yourselves.

And in case you don’t have any no nonsense concept of God, so that you will not look irrational and un-intelligent with denying what you don’t have no nonsense idea of, don’t sow confusion in aid of hide and seek from your part, with bringing in so many entities to pass for whatever you want to play hide and seek with, just be intellectually brave and bring on this most ambitious concept of God to deny existence to, namely, as follows:

“God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.”
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Just a friendly reminder, folks: this is the forum for Physical and Life Sciences.

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While I personally am not opposed to threads like this one at all...

Dear operators of this forum, I am talking on reason and observation, not on the Bible in regard to God existing.

So, I am of the idea that this thread of mine belongs in this board of Physical and Life Sciences.

However, I submit to the discretion of the operators here, where to transfer this thread of mine to.


Now, addressing atheists here, you have not produced one objection that is not into hide and seek.

You see, atheists here, you are all into self-obscurantism, and you do not have at all any idea much less practice of what I call precision thinking - precisely because you all choose to indulge in self-obscurantism.

I am sure as I see you guys to have also reason and intelligence, you do know that you are always into hide and seek, always making statements by which you can escape from having to face the evidence of God existing, from the universe and man and everything at all with a beginning, on the principle that anything with a beginning has a cause.

Okay, now that I mention cause, please tell me what you have against the principle causation or causality, by which principle God is seen clearly to exist, on the concept namely, that God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

You don accept at all the principle of causality by which anything at all with a beginning has a cause that brings it into existence?

Then explain how you came into existence.


Dear readers here, let us all sit back and witness what descriptions of God atheists have, with denying the principle of causation, like for example with Bertrand Russell, that God is no different from an orbiting teapot in space, and his fans take it up from him with God is no different from a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

All these ridiculous blasphemous descriptions of God are all basically gimmicks of hide and seek with atheists.

But consider this fact, dear readers here, that establishes that atheists are truly factually genuinely actually into hide and seek in regard to the issue God exists.

You know the common universal self-description of atheists by and from themselves?

Here it is: "We [ they atheists] are just without belief in any God, Gods, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities.”

That is the core hide and seek with themselves [ yourselves], Oh ye atheists.

Why do you have to bring in so many entities, when you or as you have working reason and intelligence, just pick God the most ambitious One, He Who is in concept the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

That concept of God has been already in the lips of ancient seekers of God, when they tell their own peoples, in the beginning God created heaven and earth, and also with the primitive Christians, namely, they proclaim, "I believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth."

So, search with google, for the foremost ancient Egyptian king philosopher who told his people of the one supreme God.


Annex

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Akhenaten - Wikipedia
Akhenaten - Wikipedia
Akhenaten known before the fifth year of his reign as Amenhotep IV (sometimes given its Greek ... He is especially noted for abandoning traditional Egyptian polytheism and introducing worship centered on the Aten, which is sometimes described as monolatristic, henotheistic, or even quasi-monotheistic. An early inscription ...

‎Amenhotep III · ‎Smenkhkare · ‎Kiya · ‎Amarna

1320: Section 10: Akhenaten and Monotheism - Utah State University
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The concept of monotheism has deep roots in Western Civilization, reaching as far back in time as the New Kingdom of ancient Egypt, well before the formation ...

Monotheism of Akhenaten - Bible Odyssey
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The Monotheism of Akhenaten by Donald B. Redford. ... This can be illustrated by the case of the pharaoh Akhenaten (1352–1336 B.C.E.), who in modern times is sometimes called the first monotheist. Akhenaten’s new program involved the worship of one god (the sun-disc, Aten).

The Egyptian Origins of Monotheistic Religious Belief
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Akhenaten and Moses - Biblical Archaeology Society
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The presence of Monotheism in the Egyptian religion - Historel
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Actually the greatest Egyptologists were not deceived, and since the year 1869 they saw a tendency for the Egyptian religion to be monotheistic rather than ...

Tutankhamen: Egyptian Monotheism
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During the last eighty years the gods of Egypt and the religion of the Ancient ... gods were multiplied, and in the other it drew nearer and nearer to monotheism.

Akhenaten - Ancient History Encyclopedia
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Apr 17, 2014 - 1353-1336 BCE) was a pharaoh of Egypt of the 18th Dynasty. He is also ... state religion in the world and, according to some, monotheism itself.

Ancient Egypt Pharaohs: Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV)
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Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs: Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV) - the heretic king. ... To some, Akhenaten was the first Monotheist who may have been inspired by ...

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[bhsmte]

Would it matter to someone who posts just over two posts per day?

I'll take quality of quantity any day of the week.

 

[bhsmte]

As dear atheists you may find this post too long to read, please just produce one objection to God’s existence that is not an instance of playing hide and seek with yourselves.

And in case you don’t have any no nonsense concept of God, so that you will not look irrational and un-intelligent with denying what you don’t have no nonsense idea of, don’t sow confusion in aid of hide and seek from your part, with bringing in so many entities to pass for whatever you want to play hide and seek with, just be intellectually brave and bring on this most ambitious concept of God to deny existence to, namely, as follows:

“God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.”
__________________




Dear operators of this forum, I am talking on reason and observation, not on the Bible in regard to God existing.

So, I am of the idea that this thread of mine belongs in this board of Physical and Life Sciences.

However, I submit to the discretion of the operators here, where to transfer this thread of mine to.


Now, addressing atheists here, you have not produced one objection that is not into hide and seek.

You see, atheists here, you are all into self-obscurantism, and you do not have at all any idea much less practice of what I call precision thinking - precisely because you all choose to indulge in self-obscurantism.

I am sure as I see you guys to have also reason and intelligence, you do know that you are always into hide and seek, always making statements by which you can escape from having to face the evidence of God existing, from the universe and man and everything at all with a beginning, on the principle that anything with a beginning has a cause.

Okay, now that I mention cause, please tell me what you have against the principle causation or causality, by which principle God is seen clearly to exist, on the concept namely, that God in concept is first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

You don accept at all the principle of causality by which anything at all with a beginning has a cause that brings it into existence?

Then explain how you came into existence.


Dear readers here, let us all sit back and witness what descriptions of God atheists have, with denying the principle of causation, like for example with Bertrand Russell, that God is no different from an orbiting teapot in space, and his fans take it up from him with God is no different from a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

All these ridiculous blasphemous descriptions of God are all basically gimmicks of hide and seek with atheists.

But consider this fact, dear readers here, that establishes that atheists are truly factually genuinely actually into hide and seek in regard to the issue God exists.

You know the common universal self-description of atheists by and from themselves?

Here it is: "We [ they atheists] are just without belief in any God, Gods, gods, goddesses, deities, divinities.”

That is the core hide and seek with themselves [ yourselves], Oh ye atheists.

Why do you have to bring in so many entities, when you or as you have working reason and intelligence, just pick God the most ambitious One, He Who is in concept the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

That concept of God has been already in the lips of ancient seekers of God, when they tell their own peoples, in the beginning God created heaven and earth, and also with the primitive Christians, namely, they proclaim, "I believe in God the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth."

So, search with google, for the foremost ancient Egyptian king philosopher who told his people of the one supreme God.


Annex

No evidence, just more word salad.

 

[Subduction Zone]

As dear atheists you may find this post too long to read, please just produce one objection to God’s existence that is not an instance of playing hide and seek with yourselves.

Not "too long", your posts have too much worthless babble where you make false accusation against others.

Now, what part of "we don't believe because there is no valid evidence" is too hard for you to understand? That is no "playing hide and seek". Can you be honest and not make false attacks upon others?

Now, addressing atheists here, you have not produced one objection that is not into hide and seek.

Actually we have, see above.

You see, atheists here, you are all into self-obscurantism, and you do not have at all any idea much less practice of what I call precision thinking - precisely because you all choose to indulge in self-obscurantism.

Back to making false attacks. You do know that by doing so you are violating your own Ninth Commandment, don't you? It is more than a ban on lying.

One more time can you make an honest post without any false accusations?

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll take quality of quantity any day of the week.

And moan about the rest?

(And don't you mean quality "over" quantity?)

 

[bhsmte]

And moan about the rest?

(And don't you mean quality "over" quantity?)

No one is stopping you from producing quantity AV.

 

[Loudmouth]

Dear Loudmouth, you just want to play hide and seek, saying that it is not for you to tell me etc., but I have told you, and in almost every post I have written in this forum, namely, that God is, as follows below:



“In concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.”

So where is the evidence for the existence of that God?

We are past the reasoning process, we are now going to the search for God with the expedition in the universe and in man and in everything that has a beginning, to locate His presence.

How can you know if you have located evidence for God if you don't use Reason?

I am just into the hobby of studying the hide and seek gimmick of atheists, for they know very well God exists, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything that has a beginning.

Attempts at mind reading are not evidence.

I could just as easily claim that you really know that God does not exist, and that you just pretend that you believe that God exists.

Now, I know how you will take to next: either you will disappear or you will bring up your hoary nonsense objections* against us going together to locate God in the universe and in man and in everything with a beginning, for the entity that is God: because this entity we will certainly locate fits the concept of God, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


Dear readers here, let us sit back and await with bared breath what Loudmouth will do now, with my challenge to him to with me go and locate God in the universe and in man and in everything with a beginning.


Or you, dear Loudmouth, will now just hide inside your brain and go around and around and around telling yourself that with the concept of God there is already the fallacy of circular reasoning, and I will tell you, yes you go and do that, all in your mind going around and around with your silly circle of concept is not proof, concept is not proof, concept is not proof: when I am into challenging you to come with me to locate God in the universe and in man and in everything with a beginning.


Again, dear readers here, let us sit back and await with bated breath what Loudmouth will do now, with my challenge to him to with me go and locate God in the universe and in man and in everything with a beginning.

*Start with one objection at one post, so that you will not 'hide and seek' with a profusion of hoary nonsense objections.

Still not one shred of evidence presented for the existence of God.

 

[Loudmouth]

The problem is that whatever creationists present as evidence of an ID is automatically and unceremoniously tagged as not evidence regardless of how relevant or compelling it might be without providing absolutely no rational reason for its rejection.

The problem is that what you present is not evidence. They are beliefs.

 

[Freodin]

...I am talking on reason and observation, not on the Bible in regard to God existing.
So, I am of the idea that this thread of mine belongs in this board of Physical and Life Sciences.

I am still of the opinion that this is a philosophical or even apologetic topic, as you obviously do not have anything physical or scientifical to present to back up your claims.

But, in the good five-year-old way that Radrook demonstrated: "He started it!" So I claim to be blameless when this thread gets closed / deleted / something worse.

Let's see...

“God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.”

So let's reason. Let's look for this God concept of yours.

Can you provide us with the observation of anything "with a beginning"?
How do you come to the conclusion that this example has "a beginning"?

 

[AV1611VET]

So where is the evidence for the existence of that God?

Don't forget to write 2017 on your checks.

It's a new year now.

AD 2017

 

[Dave-W]

Why would anyone want to "prove" God exists? It would effectively doom most people to hell.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would anyone want to "prove" God exists? It would effectively doom most people to hell.

Most people are going to Hell anyway.

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Dave-W]

Most people are going to Hell anyway.

That may be, but we want to leave the door open for as many as possible rather than slamming it shut in their faces. Our Lord had nothing kind to say to the Pharisees who tried to block the road to salvation in His day. Has His opinion on that changed any? I don't think so.

In fact, it could jeopardize the salvation of many who now walk in faith.

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

So let's reason. Let's look for this God concept of yours.

Can you provide us with the observation of anything "with a beginning"?
How do you come to the conclusion that this example has "a beginning"?

Been there, done that... repeatedly.

Got no response.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't forget to write 2017 on your checks.

It's a new year now.

AD 2017

You mean 2017 CE. What has that to do with this argument?

 

[AV1611VET]

In fact, it could jeopardize the salvation of many who now walk in faith.

Don't you believe in eternal security?

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

 

[AV1611VET]

You mean 2017 CE.

No.

I mean AD 2017.

Before educated unbelievers plutoed it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Been there, done that... repeatedly.

Got no response.

I'm sorry.

Did I break the mold?