How to prove God exists.

[Subduction Zone]

... No comment.

Yes, after years of debate I don't think anyone here would accuse you of being rational.

 

[AV1611VET]

Quite right. I mistyped the number, so I just re-quoted the verse. We cross posted.

Just as gravity can be evidenced by its effects, so can God.

An apple falls from a tree = evidence of gravity.

AD = evidence of God.

Didn't Jesus tell the disciples of John the Baptist to go back and tell John, who was in prison, that the things they were going to witness about Him was proof that He was Jesus?

 

[Dave-W]

AD = evidence of God.

Not really. It is an arbitrary number that the Catholics picked centuries after the fact. It is about as accurate as saying Dec 25 is the TRUE DATE of His birth.

How can an inaccurate date be proof of anything other than tampering and meddling?

 

[AV1611VET]

Not really. It is an arbitrary number that the Catholics picked centuries after the fact. It is about as accurate as saying Dec 25 is the TRUE DATE of His birth.

How can an inaccurate date be proof of anything other than tampering and meddling?

Dave, can you not see what I'm saying here?

Please set your Hebrew aside.

Please set your higher academic learning aside.

And please pay attention.

It is not just AD that I'm talking about.

It is churches, hymns, songs, debates, holidays, iconography, the Bible, bumper stickers, testimonies, books, tv shows and YouTube presentations, martyrs, wars, snippets of Scripture on buildings, the Ten Commandments posted on court... (skip that one) ... a Christian nation, websites, and yes, even atheists -- all of which wouldn't exist in their present form if God didn't exist.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... the best way to show wrong someone who claims that his opposite only plays "hide and seek" is to go into the open and present the challenge directly.

Agreed

 

[Loudmouth]

That's what you tag any evidence which goes contrary to your pet preconceptions.

That is what I tag beliefs.

 

[Radrook]

That is what I tag beliefs.

You tag evidence as mere beliefs.

 

[Radrook]

It is the same objection you have for not believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. There is no evidence that God exists.

You yourself is evidence that an ID exists.

 

[Loudmouth]

You tag evidence as mere beliefs.

I challenge you to show me a single instance where this has occurred.

 

[Loudmouth]

You yourself is evidence that an ID exists.

How?

 

[Truthfrees]

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[Belk]

Dave, can you not see what I'm saying here?

Please set your Hebrew aside.

Please set your higher academic learning aside.

And please pay attention.

It is not just AD that I'm talking about.

It is churches, hymns, songs, debates, holidays, iconography, the Bible, bumper stickers, testimonies, books, tv shows and YouTube presentations, martyrs, wars, snippets of Scripture on buildings, the Ten Commandments posted on court... (skip that one) ... a Christian nation, websites, and yes, even atheists -- all of which wouldn't exist in their present form if God didn't exist.

What would they look like and how did you determine they would look that way?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You tag evidence as mere beliefs.

No, how many times do people have to explain that without a testable hypothesis by definition one does not have any scientific evidence. What is the supposed testable hypothesis that this evidence confirms?

 

[Dave-W]

Dave, can you not see what I'm saying here?

Actually, I do understand the point you are trying to make. But IMO you are going about it all wrongly.

I am trying to show you the weakness of the statement you made in order for you to strengthen in.

 

[Radrook]

How?

Here is relevant info:
The Body's Organs | Evidence for Design | Creation

 

[bhsmte]

You yourself is evidence that an ID exists.

LOL

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

As dear atheists you may find this post too long to read, please just produce one objection to God’s existence that is not an instance of playing hide and seek with yourselves.

I will, as soon as you do the same for the great pink undetectable unicorn: produce an objection to its existance.


(shifting the burden of proof is a poor way to argue your case)

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Here is relevant info:
The Body's Organs | Evidence for Design | Creation

Creationist propaganda is the evidence for your "non-religious" ID model?

That's irony for ya.

I'ld call satire if I didn't know you.

 

[Pachomius]

Dear Loudmouth, I like to have a sustained exchange with you.

You see, you want evidence for God existing, that is a legitimate demand.

Now, you say that my concept of God, namely, that God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, is to you a belief.

Okay, that is very good from your part, about my concept of God is a belief.

Is that all right with you that we will call that concept above of God as a belief concept?

So, let us go together into the objective realm of reality which is the universe and man and everything that has a beginning; all these things are outside our mind and outside of belief concepts in our mind.

We will look for evidence in all these things, which evidence will validate the belief concept, namely, of the concept of God, as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, that the belief concept is true, is a fact, is according to logic, and supported in the history of ideas.

And wherefore God exists.

Is that all right with you?

 

[bhsmte]

Dear Loudmouth, I like to have a sustained exchange with you.

You see, you want evidence for God existing, that is a legitimate demand.

Now, you say that my concept of God, namely, that God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, is to you a belief.

Okay, that is very good from your part, about my concept of God is a belief.

Is that all right with you that we will call that concept above of God as a belief concept?

So, let us go together into the objective realm of reality which is the universe and man and everything that has a beginning; all these things are outside our mind and outside of belief concepts in our mind.

We will look for evidence in all these things, which evidence will validate the belief concept, namely, of the concept of God, as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, that the belief concept is true, is a fact, is according to logic, and supported in the history of ideas.

And wherefore God exists.

Is that all right with you?

I don't see any evidence. I see personal opinion.