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How to prove God exists.
- Thread starter Pachomius
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PsychoSarah
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Most of what can be imagined, and plenty that can't (such as a square circle) doesn't exist, so this is incorrect.
The purple spotted blerplenutter
Keeps stealing my peanut butter
Grabbing with its orange claws
Crushing jars with its toothy jaws
It's wings are made of yellow cloud
The eyes hidden by a silver shroud
It's default status is "does not exist"
So as the thief, it is dismissed.
Nah, because what is part of reality does exist, "the things in the totality of reality", by definition of being in reality. However, the default status of most concepts (and things that have never been thought) is that they aren't part of our reality to begin with. Deities exist in our imaginations, but there is a lack of evidence that they have any physicality to them. That is to say, things are not a part of reality (and thus, real) by default. In fact, it is the opposite: the existence of something has to be supported by evidence, not the nonexistence of it.
You'd have to demonstrate deities exist before assigning them any role within or pertaining to the universe we reside in. You can't just assume they exist, because you personally view them as necessary. Even if you demonstrated flawlessly that there was a "creator cause and operator cause of the universe and everything with a beginning", that wouldn't make that cause a deity, or even the same item for the various beginnings.
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That you're really, really bad at argumentation? And that the number of hits from a Google search prove absolutely nothing at all?
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I agree babies exist.
I disagree with this premise. The existence of a new born has no bearing on the existence/non-existence of a creator deity.
Nope, but I'd be willing to discuss LUCA, abiogenesis, the history of biological development and the biological history of sex with you.
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Dear everyone reading this thread, I thank you for your presence, it is most gratifying.
Now, this morning I thought I might consult my No. 1 research source – read that internet - and also with the internet some good and quick polling of mankind with an opinion as to get some exposure in the internet.
As I am now asking atheists to tell me whether they know about the reality of causation, I looked up these two phrases:
theists and causation
atheists and causation
See in ANNEXES below on the hits found by google, in my next post.
I will just here give you the stats.
theists and causation
About 1,080,000 results (0.49 seconds)
atheists and causation
About 104,000 results (0.40 seconds)
So, as I know already, atheists are allergic to causation, and like Russell their mentor in the devious art of self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism, they would rather explain away causation, but they forget that all science which has to do with engineering and technology, it is all causation.
[Quote from Pachomius]
Copleston: It may be that the scientist doesn't hope to obtain more than probability, but in raising the question he assumes that the question of explanation has a meaning. But your general point then, Lord RusseII, is that it's illegitimate even to ask the question of the cause of the world?
Russell: Yes, that's my position.
Copleston: If it's a question that for you has no meaning, it's of course very difficult to discuss it, isn't it?
Russell: Yes, it is very difficult. What do you say -- SHALL WE PASS ON TO SOME OTHER ISSUE? [Upper case courtesy of Pachomius]
[End of quote from Pachomius]
Okay, I will now go and see what atheists have for their attitude toward causation, is it a reality or what.
In the meantime, you can read my next post which is the reproduction of google’s hits on the two phrases:
theists and causation
atheists and causation
Please read my next post for the hits of google on theists and causation, and atheists and causation.
Now, this morning I thought I might consult my No. 1 research source – read that internet - and also with the internet some good and quick polling of mankind with an opinion as to get some exposure in the internet.
As I am now asking atheists to tell me whether they know about the reality of causation, I looked up these two phrases:
theists and causation
atheists and causation
See in ANNEXES below on the hits found by google, in my next post.
I will just here give you the stats.
theists and causation
About 1,080,000 results (0.49 seconds)
atheists and causation
About 104,000 results (0.40 seconds)
So, as I know already, atheists are allergic to causation, and like Russell their mentor in the devious art of self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism, they would rather explain away causation, but they forget that all science which has to do with engineering and technology, it is all causation.
[Quote from Pachomius]
Copleston: It may be that the scientist doesn't hope to obtain more than probability, but in raising the question he assumes that the question of explanation has a meaning. But your general point then, Lord RusseII, is that it's illegitimate even to ask the question of the cause of the world?
Russell: Yes, that's my position.
Copleston: If it's a question that for you has no meaning, it's of course very difficult to discuss it, isn't it?
Russell: Yes, it is very difficult. What do you say -- SHALL WE PASS ON TO SOME OTHER ISSUE? [Upper case courtesy of Pachomius]
[End of quote from Pachomius]
Okay, I will now go and see what atheists have for their attitude toward causation, is it a reality or what.
In the meantime, you can read my next post which is the reproduction of google’s hits on the two phrases:
theists and causation
atheists and causation
Please read my next post for the hits of google on theists and causation, and atheists and causation.
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Repeat:
So, as I know already, atheists are allergic to causation, and like Russell their mentor in the devious art of self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism, they would rather explain away causation, but they forget that all science which has to do with engineering and technology, it is all causation.
[Quote from Pachomius]
Copleston: It may be that the scientist doesn't hope to obtain more than probability, but in raising the question he assumes that the question of explanation has a meaning. But your general point then, Lord RusseII, is that it's illegitimate even to ask the question of the cause of the world?
Russell: Yes, that's my position.
Copleston: If it's a question that for you has no meaning, it's of course very difficult to discuss it, isn't it?
Russell: Yes, it is very difficult. What do you say -- SHALL WE PASS ON TO SOME OTHER ISSUE? [Upper case courtesy of Pachomius]
[End of quote from Pachomius]
End of repeat.
ANNEX 1
Google: theists and causation
About 1,080,000 results (0.49 seconds)
Search Results
Agent Causation and Theism - Oxford Scholarship
www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/.../acprof-9780198743958-chapter-11
This chapter presents reasons to favor an agent-causal account of agency, especially if one is a theist. The discussion centers on problems with the standard ...
Explaining Causation to Theists - [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]spot
[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]spot.jadedragononline.com/2014/07/16/explaining-causation-theists/
Jul 16, 2014 - Theists don't understand causation, they cling to emotional beliefs and use logical fallacies and that's why they fail. Here's why they need to ...
Aristotle, Causation and Theism.. – Philosophy & Religion Video ...
Aristotle, Causation and Theism..causation-and-theism/
May 21, 2013 - Dr William Large answers a question about Aristotle: Staff from the Religion, Philosophy & Ethics course at University of Gloucestershire talking ...
Arguments for the Existence of God - Secular Web
Modern Librarytheism/arguments.html
Links below are to the most common categories of theistic arguments. ... with the nexus of physical causation, yet said to be quite explicable on theism. Argument ...
Agent Causation and Theism : Free Will and Theism - oi
oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/acprof
so/9780198743958.003.0011?rskey...
Agent causation, then, is presented as a worthy alternative. It is further argued that theists may have particularly compelling reasons to resolve the problems of ...
Cosmological Argument (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Cosmological Argument (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Jul 13, 2004 - Theists counter that if we seek a complete causal explanation where nothing of the causal event remains unexplained, the response can lead ...
the divine spirit as causal and personal - Wiley Online Library
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/zygo.12003/pdf
by TJ Oord - 2013 - Related articles
Theists in general and Christians in particular have good grounds for affirming ... expressed in creation derive from divine and creaturely causation. Keywords:.
theism | religion | Britannica.com
https://www.britannica.com/topic/theism
May 31, 2012 - Deism closely resembles theism, but for the deist God is not .... to be itself a member of any ordinary causal sequence but altogether beyond it, ...
Aristotle, Causation and Theism.. - YouTube
▶ 3:53
May 21, 2013 - Uploaded by David Webster
Staff from the RPE course at University of Gloucestershire talking about Philosophy of Religion - plus more ...
Oppy on Theism, Naturalism, and Explanation - The Prosblogion
prosblogion.ektopos.com/2013/12/09/oppy-on-theism-naturalism-and-explanation/
Dec 9, 2013 - The idea that causal reality has an initial part, whether necessary or contingent, might be thought most favorable to theism, but Oppy thinks the ...
12345678910 Next
ANNEX 2
Google: atheists and causation
About 104,000 results (0.40 seconds)
Search Results
Atheist killers; correlation not causation. - Patheos
www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2015/10/.../atheist-killers-correlation-not-causation/
Oct 25, 2015 - In writing my book on free will, and in researching the Kalam Cosmological Argument, I have come to understand that causality is much more ...
Causation and the Logical Impossibility of a Divine Cause - Secular Web
Quentin Smithcausation.html
Some interesting light is thrown on the nature of causation, the origin of the universe, and arguments for atheism if we address the question: Is it logically ...
Atheist Debates - Supernatural Causation - YouTube
▶ 24:17
Feb 27, 2015 - Uploaded by Matt Dillahunty
From the Atheist Debates Patreon project (Matt Dillahunty is creating Videos | Patreon): Many of the claims made by apologists ...
Atheism & Liberalism: Correlation vs. Causation - [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]spot
[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]spot.jadedragononline.com/2013/07/.../atheism-liberalism-correlation-vs-causatio...
Jul 19, 2013 - Unfortunately, there are lots of people, atheists included, who really don't understand the difference between correlation and causation, even ...
Stealing from God: Why Atheists Need God to Make Their Case: Frank ...
https://www.amazon.com/Stealing-God-Atheists-Need-Their/dp/1612917011
Stealing from God: Why Atheists Need God to Make Their Case [Frank Turek, Ravi ... In his discussion of causality, Turek notes that many of the new atheists ...
Cosmology and Causation: Why Metaphysics Matters : Strange Notions
www.strangenotions.com/cosmology-and-causation/
Several people have asked me to comment on the remarks about causation made by atheist physicist Sean Carroll during his recent debate with William Lane ...
Hume on Religion (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Hume on Religion (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Oct 4, 2005 - Religious Philosophers and Speculative Atheists ..... In the Treatise Hume develops an account of causation that directly contradicts these ...
[DOC]RE - Revision Belief in God
www.st-thomasmore.org.uk/attachments/download.asp?file=52&type=doc
Atheism believing that God does not exist. Omni-Benevolent the belief that ... Causation Argument the idea that everything has been caused by something else.
BBC - Religions - Atheism: Reasons people choose atheism
www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/beliefs/reasons_1.shtml
Oct 22, 2009 - This article is an in depth look at some of the reasons why people choose atheism, and some of the most influential atheist thinkers and their ...
Criticism of atheism - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_atheism
Criticism of atheism is criticism of the concepts, validity, or impact of atheism, including ..... He concludes that correlation does not necessarily indicate causation in either case. A 2004 study of religious affiliation and suicide attempts, concluded: ...
Searches related to atheists and causation
divine causation definition
divine causality in the iliad
divine definition
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[End of ANNEXES]
[Quote from Pachomius]
Copleston: It may be that the scientist doesn't hope to obtain more than probability, but in raising the question he assumes that the question of explanation has a meaning. But your general point then, Lord RusseII, is that it's illegitimate even to ask the question of the cause of the world?
Russell: Yes, that's my position.
Copleston: If it's a question that for you has no meaning, it's of course very difficult to discuss it, isn't it?
Russell: Yes, it is very difficult. What do you say -- SHALL WE PASS ON TO SOME OTHER ISSUE? [Upper case courtesy of Pachomius]
[End of quote from Pachomius]
So, as I know already, atheists are allergic to causation, and like Russell their mentor in the devious art of self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism, they would rather explain away causation, but they forget that all science which has to do with engineering and technology, it is all causation.
[Quote from Pachomius]
Copleston: It may be that the scientist doesn't hope to obtain more than probability, but in raising the question he assumes that the question of explanation has a meaning. But your general point then, Lord RusseII, is that it's illegitimate even to ask the question of the cause of the world?
Russell: Yes, that's my position.
Copleston: If it's a question that for you has no meaning, it's of course very difficult to discuss it, isn't it?
Russell: Yes, it is very difficult. What do you say -- SHALL WE PASS ON TO SOME OTHER ISSUE? [Upper case courtesy of Pachomius]
[End of quote from Pachomius]
End of repeat.
ANNEX 1
Google: theists and causation
About 1,080,000 results (0.49 seconds)
Search Results
Agent Causation and Theism - Oxford Scholarship
www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/.../acprof-9780198743958-chapter-11
This chapter presents reasons to favor an agent-causal account of agency, especially if one is a theist. The discussion centers on problems with the standard ...
Explaining Causation to Theists - [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]spot
[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]spot.jadedragononline.com/2014/07/16/explaining-causation-theists/
Jul 16, 2014 - Theists don't understand causation, they cling to emotional beliefs and use logical fallacies and that's why they fail. Here's why they need to ...
Aristotle, Causation and Theism.. – Philosophy & Religion Video ...
Aristotle, Causation and Theism..causation-and-theism/
May 21, 2013 - Dr William Large answers a question about Aristotle: Staff from the Religion, Philosophy & Ethics course at University of Gloucestershire talking ...
Arguments for the Existence of God - Secular Web
Modern Librarytheism/arguments.html
Links below are to the most common categories of theistic arguments. ... with the nexus of physical causation, yet said to be quite explicable on theism. Argument ...
Agent Causation and Theism : Free Will and Theism - oi
oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/acprof
so/9780198743958.003.0011?rskey...Agent causation, then, is presented as a worthy alternative. It is further argued that theists may have particularly compelling reasons to resolve the problems of ...
Cosmological Argument (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Cosmological Argument (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Jul 13, 2004 - Theists counter that if we seek a complete causal explanation where nothing of the causal event remains unexplained, the response can lead ...
the divine spirit as causal and personal - Wiley Online Library
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/zygo.12003/pdf
by TJ Oord - 2013 - Related articles
Theists in general and Christians in particular have good grounds for affirming ... expressed in creation derive from divine and creaturely causation. Keywords:.
theism | religion | Britannica.com
https://www.britannica.com/topic/theism
May 31, 2012 - Deism closely resembles theism, but for the deist God is not .... to be itself a member of any ordinary causal sequence but altogether beyond it, ...
Aristotle, Causation and Theism.. - YouTube
▶ 3:53
May 21, 2013 - Uploaded by David Webster
Staff from the RPE course at University of Gloucestershire talking about Philosophy of Religion - plus more ...
Oppy on Theism, Naturalism, and Explanation - The Prosblogion
prosblogion.ektopos.com/2013/12/09/oppy-on-theism-naturalism-and-explanation/
Dec 9, 2013 - The idea that causal reality has an initial part, whether necessary or contingent, might be thought most favorable to theism, but Oppy thinks the ...
12345678910 Next
ANNEX 2
Google: atheists and causation
About 104,000 results (0.40 seconds)
Search Results
Atheist killers; correlation not causation. - Patheos
www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2015/10/.../atheist-killers-correlation-not-causation/
Oct 25, 2015 - In writing my book on free will, and in researching the Kalam Cosmological Argument, I have come to understand that causality is much more ...
Causation and the Logical Impossibility of a Divine Cause - Secular Web
Quentin Smithcausation.html
Some interesting light is thrown on the nature of causation, the origin of the universe, and arguments for atheism if we address the question: Is it logically ...
Atheist Debates - Supernatural Causation - YouTube
▶ 24:17
Feb 27, 2015 - Uploaded by Matt Dillahunty
From the Atheist Debates Patreon project (Matt Dillahunty is creating Videos | Patreon): Many of the claims made by apologists ...
Atheism & Liberalism: Correlation vs. Causation - [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]spot
[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]spot.jadedragononline.com/2013/07/.../atheism-liberalism-correlation-vs-causatio...
Jul 19, 2013 - Unfortunately, there are lots of people, atheists included, who really don't understand the difference between correlation and causation, even ...
Stealing from God: Why Atheists Need God to Make Their Case: Frank ...
https://www.amazon.com/Stealing-God-Atheists-Need-Their/dp/1612917011
Stealing from God: Why Atheists Need God to Make Their Case [Frank Turek, Ravi ... In his discussion of causality, Turek notes that many of the new atheists ...
Cosmology and Causation: Why Metaphysics Matters : Strange Notions
www.strangenotions.com/cosmology-and-causation/
Several people have asked me to comment on the remarks about causation made by atheist physicist Sean Carroll during his recent debate with William Lane ...
Hume on Religion (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Hume on Religion (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Oct 4, 2005 - Religious Philosophers and Speculative Atheists ..... In the Treatise Hume develops an account of causation that directly contradicts these ...
[DOC]RE - Revision Belief in God
www.st-thomasmore.org.uk/attachments/download.asp?file=52&type=doc
Atheism believing that God does not exist. Omni-Benevolent the belief that ... Causation Argument the idea that everything has been caused by something else.
BBC - Religions - Atheism: Reasons people choose atheism
www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/atheism/beliefs/reasons_1.shtml
Oct 22, 2009 - This article is an in depth look at some of the reasons why people choose atheism, and some of the most influential atheist thinkers and their ...
Criticism of atheism - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_atheism
Criticism of atheism is criticism of the concepts, validity, or impact of atheism, including ..... He concludes that correlation does not necessarily indicate causation in either case. A 2004 study of religious affiliation and suicide attempts, concluded: ...
Searches related to atheists and causation
divine causation definition
divine causality in the iliad
divine definition
12345678910 Next
[End of ANNEXES]
[Quote from Pachomius]
Copleston: It may be that the scientist doesn't hope to obtain more than probability, but in raising the question he assumes that the question of explanation has a meaning. But your general point then, Lord RusseII, is that it's illegitimate even to ask the question of the cause of the world?
Russell: Yes, that's my position.
Copleston: If it's a question that for you has no meaning, it's of course very difficult to discuss it, isn't it?
Russell: Yes, it is very difficult. What do you say -- SHALL WE PASS ON TO SOME OTHER ISSUE? [Upper case courtesy of Pachomius]
[End of quote from Pachomius]
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Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418 Pachomius wrote
Thanks for your interaction, dear posters here, and also everyone reading this thread, on How to prove God exists.
I have not seen any atheists here explaining why he has seen no evidence for God existing, instead there is one comment here that the chain of causation does not seem to lead from babies as evidence to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
Pachomius, Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418
________________
Dear atheists here, I don’t see any of you answering to my question on whether you know of the reality of causation.
See text above from me, which I put in bold and in capital case.
So, please, atheists, let us be systematic, I ask and you ask, we from both sides reciprocally interacting with question and answer, and it is about at this point in time, causation as evidence of God existing in concept as first and foremost:
The creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
I am asking you the question, Do you know the reality of causation?
Please answer.
Silence from you means that you are into your Russell’s taught trick of arbitrary taboo and phobia from dealing with causation, by not daring to take up the concept and reality of causation: like as with babies and the nose in our face, they did not cause themselves but were brought into existence by a chain of causes, ultimately from God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Okay, tomorrow I expect to read your answer to my question, Do you know the reality of causation?
ANNEX
Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418 Pachomius wrote
Thanks for your interaction, dear posters here, and also everyone reading this thread, on How to prove God exists.
I have not seen any atheists here explaining why he has seen no evidence for God existing, instead there is one comment here that the chain of causation does not seem to lead from babies as evidence to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
_________________
Yesterday at 4:57 AM #1419 Pachomius wrote
One last word before I leave you guys.
Let us just talk about babies, as also about the nose in our face, both are accessible to us.
Keep to the realm of objective reality outside and independent of the conceptual realm in our mind.
So, to the question to atheists, Do you know about the reality of causation: if you don't know, please do not answer at all, just first get to know about causation by asking your papa and mama who gave you birth, to explain what is causation in regard to babies.
Now, if still you can't understand the reality of causation, then please no longer read this thread, because you are not even eligible to be present in an internet forum, since as you cannot understand from your papa and mama, what is causation in re babies, you are simply not eligible to be here or anywhere else where people talk about issues at all.
Pachomius, Yesterday at 4:57 AM #1419
Thanks for your interaction, dear posters here, and also everyone reading this thread, on How to prove God exists.
I have not seen any atheists here explaining why he has seen no evidence for God existing, instead there is one comment here that the chain of causation does not seem to lead from babies as evidence to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
Pachomius, Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418
________________
Dear atheists here, I don’t see any of you answering to my question on whether you know of the reality of causation.
See text above from me, which I put in bold and in capital case.
So, please, atheists, let us be systematic, I ask and you ask, we from both sides reciprocally interacting with question and answer, and it is about at this point in time, causation as evidence of God existing in concept as first and foremost:
The creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
I am asking you the question, Do you know the reality of causation?
Please answer.
Silence from you means that you are into your Russell’s taught trick of arbitrary taboo and phobia from dealing with causation, by not daring to take up the concept and reality of causation: like as with babies and the nose in our face, they did not cause themselves but were brought into existence by a chain of causes, ultimately from God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Okay, tomorrow I expect to read your answer to my question, Do you know the reality of causation?
ANNEX
Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418 Pachomius wrote
Thanks for your interaction, dear posters here, and also everyone reading this thread, on How to prove God exists.
I have not seen any atheists here explaining why he has seen no evidence for God existing, instead there is one comment here that the chain of causation does not seem to lead from babies as evidence to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
_________________
Yesterday at 4:57 AM #1419 Pachomius wrote
One last word before I leave you guys.
Let us just talk about babies, as also about the nose in our face, both are accessible to us.
Keep to the realm of objective reality outside and independent of the conceptual realm in our mind.
So, to the question to atheists, Do you know about the reality of causation: if you don't know, please do not answer at all, just first get to know about causation by asking your papa and mama who gave you birth, to explain what is causation in regard to babies.
Now, if still you can't understand the reality of causation, then please no longer read this thread, because you are not even eligible to be present in an internet forum, since as you cannot understand from your papa and mama, what is causation in re babies, you are simply not eligible to be here or anywhere else where people talk about issues at all.
Pachomius, Yesterday at 4:57 AM #1419
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Dear readers: all of you reading this thread even though not all of you are contributing your thoughts to the thread, on How to prove God exists – thank you just the same, it is most gratifying to me, the author of this thread, on How to prove God exists.
Now, this morning I am again consulting my No. 1 most easy and quickest research field which is the internet as accessed by me with google.
And the subject of my research today with google are the two following phrases:
talk sense with a theist
talk sense with an atheist
You must be wondering why I am doing research on talking sense with a theist and talking sense with an atheist.
It is because I have been talking with atheists and I find them to be more and more conspicuous: that they are into self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism in regard to the question God exists or not.
And on the other hand, I find theists to talk with a non-partisan objective of disclosing their honest and sincere and well-thought out ideas on God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man an everything with a beginning.
Okay, so what have I found out about talking sense with a theist and talking sense with an atheist?
I will give you now the stats of hits from google, you can read the first page each of hits from google in my next post here after the present one, in ANNEXES there, in regard to talking sense with theists and talking sense with atheists.
So, here are the stats:
talk sense with a theist
About 1,380,000 results (0.64 seconds)
talk sense with an atheist
About 390,000 results (0.65 seconds)
The way I see the stats, to me it is obvious that atheists talk nonsense owing to their obsession with self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism on the issue God exists or not, while theists talk sense, period.
I will now go and see in the new posts in this thread on How to prove God exists, whether atheists have answered my question on do they know about the reality of causation.
And I am disappointed that Michael, a fellow theist, is not interacting with me when I want him to do so, interacting wit me on reason, intelligence, and observation, or more expansively on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas – instead of dwelling on verbose but irrelevant erudition - if that be erudition - with atheists who are also into the same verbose but irrelevant erudition - if they be into any erudition at all, for all their self-inured self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism.
Please read the ANNEXES in the post from me following the present one.
In the meantime I will go and read what atheists or whether they have answered my simple question to them, DO YOU OH ATHEISTS KNOW OF THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
Now, this morning I am again consulting my No. 1 most easy and quickest research field which is the internet as accessed by me with google.
And the subject of my research today with google are the two following phrases:
talk sense with a theist
talk sense with an atheist
You must be wondering why I am doing research on talking sense with a theist and talking sense with an atheist.
It is because I have been talking with atheists and I find them to be more and more conspicuous: that they are into self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism in regard to the question God exists or not.
And on the other hand, I find theists to talk with a non-partisan objective of disclosing their honest and sincere and well-thought out ideas on God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man an everything with a beginning.
Okay, so what have I found out about talking sense with a theist and talking sense with an atheist?
I will give you now the stats of hits from google, you can read the first page each of hits from google in my next post here after the present one, in ANNEXES there, in regard to talking sense with theists and talking sense with atheists.
So, here are the stats:
talk sense with a theist
About 1,380,000 results (0.64 seconds)
talk sense with an atheist
About 390,000 results (0.65 seconds)
The way I see the stats, to me it is obvious that atheists talk nonsense owing to their obsession with self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism on the issue God exists or not, while theists talk sense, period.
I will now go and see in the new posts in this thread on How to prove God exists, whether atheists have answered my question on do they know about the reality of causation.
And I am disappointed that Michael, a fellow theist, is not interacting with me when I want him to do so, interacting wit me on reason, intelligence, and observation, or more expansively on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas – instead of dwelling on verbose but irrelevant erudition - if that be erudition - with atheists who are also into the same verbose but irrelevant erudition - if they be into any erudition at all, for all their self-inured self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism.
Please read the ANNEXES in the post from me following the present one.
In the meantime I will go and read what atheists or whether they have answered my simple question to them, DO YOU OH ATHEISTS KNOW OF THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
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0
Repeat:
I will give you now the stats of hits from google, you can read the first page each of hits from google in my next post here after the present one, in ANNEXES there, in regard to talking sense with theists and talking sense with atheists.
So, here are the stats:
talk sense with a theist
About 1,380,000 results (0.64 seconds)
talk sense with an atheist
About 390,000 results (0.65 seconds)
The way I see the stats, to me it is obvious that atheists talk nonsense owing to their obsession with self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism on the issue God exists or not, while theists talk sense, period.
I will now go and see in the new posts in this thread on How to prove God exists, whether atheists have answered my question on do they know about the reality of causation.
And I am disappointed that Michael, a fellow theist, is not interacting with me when I want him to do so, interacting wit me on reason, intelligence, and observation, or more expansively on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas – instead of dwelling on verbose but irrelevant erudition - if that be erudition - with atheists who are also into the same verbose but irrelevant erudition - if they be into any erudition at all, for all their self-inured self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism.
Please read the ANNEXES in the post from me following the present one.
In the meantime I will go and read what atheists or whether they have answered my simple question to them, DO YOU OH ATHEISTS KNOW OF THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
End of repeat.
ANNEX 1
Google: talk sense with a theist
About 1,380,000 results (0.64 seconds)
Search Results
CFP | Talk Sense | Sammy Horner - Christian Focus Publications
www.christianfocus.com/item/show/790/-
Doctors have a way of knowing what the proble... Read more about 'Talk Sense' by Sammy Horner on the publisher's website (Christian Focus Publications).
[PDF]Talking Sense into Nonsense - viXra.org
vixra.org/pdf/1510.0413v1.pdf
I was theist in my mother's belly. In Soviet Darwin-istic School my mind was killed by the total madness: atheism. Many years have passed by. I was lucky not to ...
Are Miracles Possible? - Can Atheists Believe in Miracles? Can ... - Slate
www.slate.com/bigideas/are-miracles-possible/essays-and.../elliott-sober-opinion
Can theists disbelieve in them, again without contradicting themselves? ... People often speak of “the miracle of childbirth,” meaning that the event is ... Atheists can and do believe that miracles in this sense are not only possible; like their ...
10 questions that every intelligent Christian must ... - God is Imaginary
God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs
If you are an educated Christian, I would like to talk with you today about an ... As an intelligent person, you have to deal with it, because it makes no sense.
How to Convert Atheists - Common Sense Atheism
commonsenseatheism.com/?p=2090
Aug 13, 2009 - Continuing in the vein of Adam Lee's The Theist's Guide to Converting ... And most atheists just won't be interested to talk to you about religion.
10 Things which make more sense as a Christian than an atheist ...
10 Things which make more sense as a Christian than an atheistsense-as-a-chris...
Sep 27, 2012 - God's promise to Abraham makes more sense to me as a Christian than ... and see an excellent physicist, rather than an apologist talk about it.
How to Talk to an Atheist (or a Christian) | Sheridan Voysey
https://sheridanvoysey.com/how-to-talk-to-an-atheist-or-a-christian/
Aug 16, 2011 - Here are five tips on how a Christian can respectfully talk with an .... I believe the Christian worldview makes sense of life, love, evil, pain, ...
Sat, Mar 11
Location: Birmingham at St ...
Location: Birmingham at St ...
Apr 29 - Apr 30
Location: Perth at Riverview ...
Location: Perth at Riverview ...
Does the stance of theist agnosticism make sense? Meaning I believe ...
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-stance-of-theist-agnosticism-make-sense-Meaning-I-...
It's consistent, which is about all you can ask of a belief system. In fact, agnosticism is arguably .... You should be able to see beyond all the hogwash for this argument (I am talking of the ridiculous theories both parties will put forward to press ...
Agnostic theism - Wikipedia
Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAgnostic_theism
Agnostic theism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. ... Since agnosticism is in the philosophical rather than religious sense a position on knowledge and does not forbid belief in a deity, it is .... Article · Talk ...
Debate:"Anti-theism" or "Why is Atheism not enough?" - RationalWiki
rationalwiki.org/.../Debate:%22Anti-theism%22_or_%22Why_is_Atheism_not_enoug...
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Google: talk sense with an atheist
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Alain de Botton: Atheism 2.0 | TED Talk | TED.com
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TED: Ideas worth spreadingtalks/alain_de_botton_atheism_2_0
Alain de Botton suggests a "religion for atheists" -- call it Atheism 2.0 -- that ... some bits of religion, we ...
Want to Talk to Non-Christians? Six Tips from an Atheist - Q Ideas
qideas.org/articles/want-to-talk-to-non-christians-six-tips-from-an-atheist/
I know her faith is an important part of her life, and she knows I derive a sense of meaning from being an atheist. Because we have a trusting, close relationship, ...
How to Talk About Atheism - Creation Liberty Evangelism
www.creationliberty.com/articles/atheism.php
Jan 8, 2013 - The discussion method of talking to atheists I will show you here will ... People could form all the opinions they want, but without the sense of ...
10 facts about atheists | Pew Research Center
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/01/10-facts-about-atheists/
Jun 1, 2016 - And roughly half of all atheists (54%) frequently feel a deep sense of ..... who believes in a god, let's face it we're talking about someone who ...
Obama Talks Atheism With Bill Maher - Patheos
www.patheos.com/blogs/.../2016/11/obama-talks-atheism-with-bill-maher/
Nov 4, 2016 - What you just wrote makes no sense whatsoever. I'm an atheist, why shouldn't I care about the planet. I'm going to leave this planet to the future ...
Do Atheists Have Less Purpose and Hope? - Common Sense Atheism
commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1708
Jul 17, 2009 - Christians ask me less about the rational reasons for atheism than they do about the ... The difference between Christian purpose and atheist purpose is that atheist ..... Let talk about secularism without the prefix of religion.
Top 10 Atheist Songs - Common Sense Atheism
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Sep 21, 2009 - There are long lists of atheistic songs here and elsewhere, but here are my top faves. ... Talk to Jesus Christ as if he knows the reasons why.
5 Catholic Teachings That Make Sense to Atheists | ncregister.com
www.ncregister.com/blog/5-catholic-teachings-that-make-sense-to-atheists
Last week I gave a talk about atheism, and in the Q&A afterward there were a lot of ... they died because they'd accepted Jesus, it didn't make any sense to me.
Religion's surprising emotional sense: New atheists are wrong again ...
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Nov 2, 2013 - Religion's surprising emotional sense: New atheists are wrong again .... Take away the malignant threat of God-talk, and you would revert to ...
How an Atheist Found God - Why the Change - What Facts Led to ...
www.everystudent.com/wires/atheist.html
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I will give you now the stats of hits from google, you can read the first page each of hits from google in my next post here after the present one, in ANNEXES there, in regard to talking sense with theists and talking sense with atheists.
So, here are the stats:
talk sense with a theist
About 1,380,000 results (0.64 seconds)
talk sense with an atheist
About 390,000 results (0.65 seconds)
The way I see the stats, to me it is obvious that atheists talk nonsense owing to their obsession with self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism on the issue God exists or not, while theists talk sense, period.
I will now go and see in the new posts in this thread on How to prove God exists, whether atheists have answered my question on do they know about the reality of causation.
And I am disappointed that Michael, a fellow theist, is not interacting with me when I want him to do so, interacting wit me on reason, intelligence, and observation, or more expansively on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas – instead of dwelling on verbose but irrelevant erudition - if that be erudition - with atheists who are also into the same verbose but irrelevant erudition - if they be into any erudition at all, for all their self-inured self-obfuscation and self-obscurantism.
Please read the ANNEXES in the post from me following the present one.
In the meantime I will go and read what atheists or whether they have answered my simple question to them, DO YOU OH ATHEISTS KNOW OF THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
End of repeat.
ANNEX 1
Google: talk sense with a theist
About 1,380,000 results (0.64 seconds)
Search Results
CFP | Talk Sense | Sammy Horner - Christian Focus Publications
www.christianfocus.com/item/show/790/-
Doctors have a way of knowing what the proble... Read more about 'Talk Sense' by Sammy Horner on the publisher's website (Christian Focus Publications).
[PDF]Talking Sense into Nonsense - viXra.org
vixra.org/pdf/1510.0413v1.pdf
I was theist in my mother's belly. In Soviet Darwin-istic School my mind was killed by the total madness: atheism. Many years have passed by. I was lucky not to ...
Are Miracles Possible? - Can Atheists Believe in Miracles? Can ... - Slate
www.slate.com/bigideas/are-miracles-possible/essays-and.../elliott-sober-opinion
Can theists disbelieve in them, again without contradicting themselves? ... People often speak of “the miracle of childbirth,” meaning that the event is ... Atheists can and do believe that miracles in this sense are not only possible; like their ...
10 questions that every intelligent Christian must ... - God is Imaginary
God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs
If you are an educated Christian, I would like to talk with you today about an ... As an intelligent person, you have to deal with it, because it makes no sense.
How to Convert Atheists - Common Sense Atheism
commonsenseatheism.com/?p=2090
Aug 13, 2009 - Continuing in the vein of Adam Lee's The Theist's Guide to Converting ... And most atheists just won't be interested to talk to you about religion.
10 Things which make more sense as a Christian than an atheist ...
10 Things which make more sense as a Christian than an atheistsense-as-a-chris...
Sep 27, 2012 - God's promise to Abraham makes more sense to me as a Christian than ... and see an excellent physicist, rather than an apologist talk about it.
How to Talk to an Atheist (or a Christian) | Sheridan Voysey
https://sheridanvoysey.com/how-to-talk-to-an-atheist-or-a-christian/
Aug 16, 2011 - Here are five tips on how a Christian can respectfully talk with an .... I believe the Christian worldview makes sense of life, love, evil, pain, ...
Sat, Mar 11
Location: Birmingham at St ...
Location: Birmingham at St ...
Apr 29 - Apr 30
Location: Perth at Riverview ...
Location: Perth at Riverview ...
Does the stance of theist agnosticism make sense? Meaning I believe ...
https://www.quora.com/Does-the-stance-of-theist-agnosticism-make-sense-Meaning-I-...
It's consistent, which is about all you can ask of a belief system. In fact, agnosticism is arguably .... You should be able to see beyond all the hogwash for this argument (I am talking of the ridiculous theories both parties will put forward to press ...
Agnostic theism - Wikipedia
Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAgnostic_theism
Agnostic theism is the philosophical view that encompasses both theism and agnosticism. ... Since agnosticism is in the philosophical rather than religious sense a position on knowledge and does not forbid belief in a deity, it is .... Article · Talk ...
Debate:"Anti-theism" or "Why is Atheism not enough?" - RationalWiki
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Anti-credulous-bigoted-coercive-self-important-theism makes logical sense to me, but general anti-theism doesn't make any sense to me at all. - Gameboy (talk) ...
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ANNEX 2
Google: talk sense with an atheist
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Alain de Botton: Atheism 2.0 | TED Talk | TED.com
▶ 19:20
TED: Ideas worth spreadingtalks/alain_de_botton_atheism_2_0
Alain de Botton suggests a "religion for atheists" -- call it Atheism 2.0 -- that ... some bits of religion, we ...
Want to Talk to Non-Christians? Six Tips from an Atheist - Q Ideas
qideas.org/articles/want-to-talk-to-non-christians-six-tips-from-an-atheist/
I know her faith is an important part of her life, and she knows I derive a sense of meaning from being an atheist. Because we have a trusting, close relationship, ...
How to Talk About Atheism - Creation Liberty Evangelism
www.creationliberty.com/articles/atheism.php
Jan 8, 2013 - The discussion method of talking to atheists I will show you here will ... People could form all the opinions they want, but without the sense of ...
10 facts about atheists | Pew Research Center
www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/06/01/10-facts-about-atheists/
Jun 1, 2016 - And roughly half of all atheists (54%) frequently feel a deep sense of ..... who believes in a god, let's face it we're talking about someone who ...
Obama Talks Atheism With Bill Maher - Patheos
www.patheos.com/blogs/.../2016/11/obama-talks-atheism-with-bill-maher/
Nov 4, 2016 - What you just wrote makes no sense whatsoever. I'm an atheist, why shouldn't I care about the planet. I'm going to leave this planet to the future ...
Do Atheists Have Less Purpose and Hope? - Common Sense Atheism
commonsenseatheism.com/?p=1708
Jul 17, 2009 - Christians ask me less about the rational reasons for atheism than they do about the ... The difference between Christian purpose and atheist purpose is that atheist ..... Let talk about secularism without the prefix of religion.
Top 10 Atheist Songs - Common Sense Atheism
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Sep 21, 2009 - There are long lists of atheistic songs here and elsewhere, but here are my top faves. ... Talk to Jesus Christ as if he knows the reasons why.
5 Catholic Teachings That Make Sense to Atheists | ncregister.com
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Last week I gave a talk about atheism, and in the Q&A afterward there were a lot of ... they died because they'd accepted Jesus, it didn't make any sense to me.
Religion's surprising emotional sense: New atheists are wrong again ...
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Nov 2, 2013 - Religion's surprising emotional sense: New atheists are wrong again .... Take away the malignant threat of God-talk, and you would revert to ...
How an Atheist Found God - Why the Change - What Facts Led to ...
www.everystudent.com/wires/atheist.html
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Well, I have read the posts coming after my last post of yesterday, and here is my request to atheists yesterday prior to ending my session in CF forum:
"DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?"
Yesterday at 5:49 AM #1428 Pachomius wrote
[…]
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
[…]
So, please, atheists, let us be systematic, I ask and you ask, we from both sides reciprocally interacting with question and answer, and it is about at this point in time, causation as evidence of God existing in concept as first and foremost:
The creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
I am asking you the question, Do you know the reality of causation?
Please answer.
Silence from you means that you are into your Russell’s taught trick of arbitrary taboo and phobia from dealing with causation, by not daring to take up the concept and reality of causation: like as with babies and the nose in our face, they did not cause themselves but were brought into existence by a chain of causes, ultimately from God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Okay, tomorrow I expect to read your answer to my question, Do you know the reality of causation?
[…]
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
[…]
So, to the question to atheists, Do you know about the reality of causation: if you don't know, please do not answer at all, just first get to know about causation by asking your papa and mama who gave you birth, to explain what is causation in regard to babies.
Now, if still you can't understand the reality of causation, then please no longer read this thread, because you are not even eligible to be present in an internet forum, since as you cannot understand from your papa and mama, what is causation in re babies, you are simply not eligible to be here or anywhere else where people talk about issues at all.
[End of Pachomius’ post of Yesterday at 5:49 AM #1428]
Okay, dear atheists here,
“So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.”
ANNEX
Yesterday at 5:49 AM #1428 Pachomius wrote
Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418 Pachomius wrote
Thanks for your interaction, dear posters here, and also everyone reading this thread, on How to prove God exists.
I have not seen any atheists here explaining why he has seen no evidence for God existing, instead there is one comment here that the chain of causation does not seem to lead from babies as evidence to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418
________________
Dear atheists here, I don’t see any of you answering to my question on whether you know of the reality of causation.
See text above from me, which I put in bold and in capital case.
So, please, atheists, let us be systematic, I ask and you ask, we from both sides reciprocally interacting with question and answer, and it is about at this point in time, causation as evidence of God existing in concept as first and foremost:
The creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
I am asking you the question, Do you know the reality of causation?
Please answer.
Silence from you means that you are into your Russell’s taught trick of arbitrary taboo and phobia from dealing with causation, by not daring to take up the concept and reality of causation: like as with babies and the nose in our face, they did not cause themselves but were brought into existence by a chain of causes, ultimately from God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Okay, tomorrow I expect to read your answer to my question, Do you know the reality of causation?
Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418 Pachomius wrote
Thanks for your interaction, dear posters here, and also everyone reading this thread, on How to prove God exists.
I have not seen any atheists here explaining why he has seen no evidence for God existing, instead there is one comment here that the chain of causation does not seem to lead from babies as evidence to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
_________________
Yesterday at 4:57 AM #1419 Pachomius wrote
One last word before I leave you guys.
Let us just talk about babies, as also about the nose in our face, both are accessible to us.
Keep to the realm of objective reality outside and independent of the conceptual realm in our mind.
So, to the question to atheists, Do you know about the reality of causation: if you don't know, please do not answer at all, just first get to know about causation by asking your papa and mama who gave you birth, to explain what is causation in regard to babies.
Now, if still you can't understand the reality of causation, then please no longer read this thread, because you are not even eligible to be present in an internet forum, since as you cannot understand from your papa and mama, what is causation in re babies, you are simply not eligible to be here or anywhere else where people talk about issues at all.
Pachomius, Yesterday at 4:57 AM #1419
Pachomius, Yesterday at 5:49 AM #1428
[End of ANNEX]
"DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?"
Yesterday at 5:49 AM #1428 Pachomius wrote
[…]
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
[…]
So, please, atheists, let us be systematic, I ask and you ask, we from both sides reciprocally interacting with question and answer, and it is about at this point in time, causation as evidence of God existing in concept as first and foremost:
The creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
I am asking you the question, Do you know the reality of causation?
Please answer.
Silence from you means that you are into your Russell’s taught trick of arbitrary taboo and phobia from dealing with causation, by not daring to take up the concept and reality of causation: like as with babies and the nose in our face, they did not cause themselves but were brought into existence by a chain of causes, ultimately from God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Okay, tomorrow I expect to read your answer to my question, Do you know the reality of causation?
[…]
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
[…]
So, to the question to atheists, Do you know about the reality of causation: if you don't know, please do not answer at all, just first get to know about causation by asking your papa and mama who gave you birth, to explain what is causation in regard to babies.
Now, if still you can't understand the reality of causation, then please no longer read this thread, because you are not even eligible to be present in an internet forum, since as you cannot understand from your papa and mama, what is causation in re babies, you are simply not eligible to be here or anywhere else where people talk about issues at all.
[End of Pachomius’ post of Yesterday at 5:49 AM #1428]
Okay, dear atheists here,
“So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.”
ANNEX
Yesterday at 5:49 AM #1428 Pachomius wrote
Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418 Pachomius wrote
Thanks for your interaction, dear posters here, and also everyone reading this thread, on How to prove God exists.
I have not seen any atheists here explaining why he has seen no evidence for God existing, instead there is one comment here that the chain of causation does not seem to lead from babies as evidence to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418
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Dear atheists here, I don’t see any of you answering to my question on whether you know of the reality of causation.
See text above from me, which I put in bold and in capital case.
So, please, atheists, let us be systematic, I ask and you ask, we from both sides reciprocally interacting with question and answer, and it is about at this point in time, causation as evidence of God existing in concept as first and foremost:
The creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
I am asking you the question, Do you know the reality of causation?
Please answer.
Silence from you means that you are into your Russell’s taught trick of arbitrary taboo and phobia from dealing with causation, by not daring to take up the concept and reality of causation: like as with babies and the nose in our face, they did not cause themselves but were brought into existence by a chain of causes, ultimately from God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Okay, tomorrow I expect to read your answer to my question, Do you know the reality of causation?
Yesterday at 4:42 AM #1418 Pachomius wrote
Thanks for your interaction, dear posters here, and also everyone reading this thread, on How to prove God exists.
I have not seen any atheists here explaining why he has seen no evidence for God existing, instead there is one comment here that the chain of causation does not seem to lead from babies as evidence to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
So, let us do it this way, you and I ask each other a question, and we will reciprocally and respectively answer the question as we ask it.
I WILL ASK THE FIRST QUESTION TO ATHEISTS:
DO YOU ATHEISTS KNOW ABOUT THE REALITY OF CAUSATION?
See you guys all again tomorrow.
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Yesterday at 4:57 AM #1419 Pachomius wrote
One last word before I leave you guys.
Let us just talk about babies, as also about the nose in our face, both are accessible to us.
Keep to the realm of objective reality outside and independent of the conceptual realm in our mind.
So, to the question to atheists, Do you know about the reality of causation: if you don't know, please do not answer at all, just first get to know about causation by asking your papa and mama who gave you birth, to explain what is causation in regard to babies.
Now, if still you can't understand the reality of causation, then please no longer read this thread, because you are not even eligible to be present in an internet forum, since as you cannot understand from your papa and mama, what is causation in re babies, you are simply not eligible to be here or anywhere else where people talk about issues at all.
Pachomius, Yesterday at 4:57 AM #1419
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Dear everyone reading this thread, this morning I came upon two items in the internet which are very interesting in regard to my knowledge of God existing, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
The first one is from a Christian theist blogger on the ten most repeated arguments of atheists against God, which arguments he takes to be very silly.
The second one is about the decision from the Federal Supreme Court of the US allowing a town council meeting to start with a prayer to God, God as known in philosophy, but not any God in a religion, in particular of concern to atheists, of the Christian faith.
I will just present the ten arguments most repeated by atheists and the decision of the US Supreme Court allowing for prayer in a town legislative body, in starting their law-making work.
Let you readers think on them, and tomorrow I will have more to say about these two items.
See all you guys again tomorrow, and please dear atheists do not neglect to tell me whether you know that causation is a component of the reality of existence.
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Top 10 Most Common Atheist Arguments, and Why They Fail
From Eric Hyde's Blog
Top 10 Most Common Atheist Arguments, and Why They Fail
1. There is no evidence for God’s existence.
2. If God created the universe, who created God?
3. God is not all-powerful if there is something He cannot do. God cannot lie, therefore God is not all-powerful.
4. Believing in God is the same as believing in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
5. Christianity arose from an ancient and ignorant people who didn’t have science.
6. Christian’s only believe in Christianity because they were born in a Christian culture. If they’d been born in India they would have been Hindu instead.
7. The gospel doesn’t make sense: God was mad at mankind because of sin so he decided to torture and kill his own Son so that he could appease his own pathological anger. God is the weirdo, not me.
8. History is full of mother-child messiah cults, trinity godheads, and the like. Thus the Christian story is a myth like the rest.
9. The God of the Bible is evil. A God who allows so much suffering and death can be nothing but evil.
10. Evolution has answered the question of where we came from. There is no need for ignorant ancient myths anymore.
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Town legislature can start work with a prayer to God
Town of Greece v. Galloway - Wikipedia
Town of Greece v. Galloway, 572 U.S. ___ (2014), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the court decided that the Town of Greece, New York may permit volunteer chaplains to open each legislative session with a prayer.[2][3] The plaintiffs were Susan Galloway and Linda Stephens, represented by Americans United for Separation of Church and State.[4] They argue that the prayers violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled against the town, and on May 20, 2013 the Supreme Court agreed to rule on the issue.[5] On May 5, 2014, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of the Town of Greece, and that the town's practice of beginning legislative sessions with prayers does not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.[6]
Town of Greece v. Galloway - Wikipedia
The first one is from a Christian theist blogger on the ten most repeated arguments of atheists against God, which arguments he takes to be very silly.
The second one is about the decision from the Federal Supreme Court of the US allowing a town council meeting to start with a prayer to God, God as known in philosophy, but not any God in a religion, in particular of concern to atheists, of the Christian faith.
I will just present the ten arguments most repeated by atheists and the decision of the US Supreme Court allowing for prayer in a town legislative body, in starting their law-making work.
Let you readers think on them, and tomorrow I will have more to say about these two items.
See all you guys again tomorrow, and please dear atheists do not neglect to tell me whether you know that causation is a component of the reality of existence.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Top 10 Most Common Atheist Arguments, and Why They Fail
From Eric Hyde's Blog
Top 10 Most Common Atheist Arguments, and Why They Fail
1. There is no evidence for God’s existence.
2. If God created the universe, who created God?
3. God is not all-powerful if there is something He cannot do. God cannot lie, therefore God is not all-powerful.
4. Believing in God is the same as believing in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
5. Christianity arose from an ancient and ignorant people who didn’t have science.
6. Christian’s only believe in Christianity because they were born in a Christian culture. If they’d been born in India they would have been Hindu instead.
7. The gospel doesn’t make sense: God was mad at mankind because of sin so he decided to torture and kill his own Son so that he could appease his own pathological anger. God is the weirdo, not me.
8. History is full of mother-child messiah cults, trinity godheads, and the like. Thus the Christian story is a myth like the rest.
9. The God of the Bible is evil. A God who allows so much suffering and death can be nothing but evil.
10. Evolution has answered the question of where we came from. There is no need for ignorant ancient myths anymore.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Town legislature can start work with a prayer to God
Town of Greece v. Galloway - Wikipedia
Town of Greece v. Galloway, 572 U.S. ___ (2014), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the court decided that the Town of Greece, New York may permit volunteer chaplains to open each legislative session with a prayer.[2][3] The plaintiffs were Susan Galloway and Linda Stephens, represented by Americans United for Separation of Church and State.[4] They argue that the prayers violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. The United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit ruled against the town, and on May 20, 2013 the Supreme Court agreed to rule on the issue.[5] On May 5, 2014, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 5-4 in favor of the Town of Greece, and that the town's practice of beginning legislative sessions with prayers does not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.[6]
Town of Greece v. Galloway - Wikipedia
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