How to prove God exists.

[Radrook]

No, not correct. See e.g. [0812.4005] Review of Observational Evidence for Dark Matter in the Universe and in upcoming searches for Dark Stars

That came after the conclusion that the stars were being gravitationally affected in n unexpected way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Tony got saved? Cool.

And he was just a deist

 

[Subduction Zone]

So did Darwin.

That was a base lie. You should not believe people that are willing to "lie for Jesus". They actually hurt your religion in the long run. They do not help it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That came after the conclusion that the stars were being gravitationally affected in n unexpected way.

Which was later confirmed by further observation.

 

[Loudmouth]

Here is relevant info:
The Body's Organs | Evidence for Design | Creation

How is it evidence?

By the way, this is a discussion forum, so please discuss the evidence instead of using bare links.

 

[Loudmouth]

We will look for evidence in all these things, which evidence will validate the belief concept, namely, of the concept of God, as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning, that the belief concept is true, is a fact, is according to logic, and supported in the history of ideas.

And wherefore God exists.

Is that all right with you?

It has been what I asked for from the very beginning. Can we get there already?

 

[Radrook]

How is it evidence?

By the way, this is a discussion forum, so please discuss the evidence instead of using bare links.

How can one discuss an issue when the response is invariably inability to see?

 

[HitchSlap]

Just checking in.

Did we prove God exists yet?

Nope.

 

[Loudmouth]

No test is needed to conclude that there is something which they have

The test is measuring the speed of stars in galaxies and comparing it to what their speed should be if galaxies were entirely made of luminous matter.

If I demanded a test to justify that necessary, initial, logical conclusion based on observation and repetitive pattern, I would be tagged irrational-right? Why?

Because it is irrational. All you are doing is running some big words together hoping that it makes a cogent argument.

Because the conclusion based on observation is justifiable.

You can't get to a conclusion without first having a hypothesis. The justification for a conclusion is how well the observations match the hypothesis and how well they don't match the null hypothesis. The potential for falsification is also what justifies the conclusion.

Once they concluded that SOMETHING was affecting the stars gravitationally they proceeded to test and see what it's possible nature could be.

That conclusion required a hypothesis and experiment.

 

[Loudmouth]

How can one discuss an issue when the response is invariably inability to see?

How can we see what you refuse to present?

 

[Pachomius]

Dear Loudmouth, thanks for coming over at the end of several pages.

Now, I like to ask you whether you understand the thought in this sentence:

God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

You say that is a belief statement.

Okay, I concur with you that it is a belief statement.

Now, is it all right with you that you and I go to search for any entity in the totality of existence, to search for such an entity, corresponding to the belief statement above?

When you refuse to accept my invitation to search for such an entity, then what about you and I agree to search for the entities like humans from whom we come forth as from our parents?

When you reply to this message, please first tell me whether it is all right for you to search me and you for where you and me come from, scil., humans who we call parents; please just do that first before you ask for anything else.

Now, when you say that you have already searched in yourself where you come from, and you conclude that you don’t know, then I like to tell you that you come from your papa and mama, is that acceptable to you, namely, that you come from your papa and mama?

Now, I also propose that you ask me where I come from, and I will tell you that I come from my papa and mama; at least we agree that you and I come from our respective papa and mama.

Is that all right with you?

Just now at this point in time, let us agree on the fact that you and I we come from our papa and mama; please just that question, is that all right with you?

You see, when you claim to not know that you come from your papa and mama, then we will see what things you want me to concur with you about, what about that you are engaged in writing posts in this forum, is that all right with you?

You see, you and I, we will not get anywhere on the issue God exists or not, when you and I do not have any concurrence on anything at all; that is why I like very much for us to get concurred on something at all to be existing.

To all atheists, please also tell me something that is independent of our thinking mind, which you and I concur to be existing in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.

My purpose is to interact with Loudmouth in I hope a sustained exchange on the issue God exists or not; of course all atheists can join in, still I will attend directly to Loudmouth.

Now, to atheists who see me to be into word salad, please also concur with me that at least you and I, we concur on the existence of salad.

 

[KCfromNC]

Just checking in.

Did we prove God exists yet?

Yeah. Bad news is that it is Loki.

 

[KCfromNC]

That came after the conclusion that the stars were being gravitationally affected in n unexpected way.

And? Your point?

 

[KCfromNC]

How can one discuss an issue when the response is invariably inability to see?

That would be difficult. Luckily no one's pretending that's happening here, right?

 

[bhsmte]

Dear Loudmouth, thanks for coming over at the end of several pages.

Now, I like to ask you whether you understand the thought in this sentence:

God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

You say that is a belief statement.

Okay, I concur with you that it is a belief statement.

Now, is it all right with you that you and I go to search for any entity in the totality of existence, to search for such an entity, corresponding to the belief statement above?

When you refuse to accept my invitation to search for such an entity, then what about you and I agree to search for the entities like humans from whom we come forth as from our parents?

When you reply to this message, please first tell me whether it is all right for you to search me and you for where you and me come from, scil., humans who we call parents; please just do that first before you ask for anything else.

Now, when you say that you have already searched in yourself where you come from, and you conclude that you don’t know, then I like to tell you that you come from your papa and mama, is that acceptable to you, namely, that you come from your papa and mama?

Now, I also propose that you ask me where I come from, and I will tell you that I come from my papa and mama; at least we agree that you and I come from our respective papa and mama.

Is that all right with you?

Just now at this point in time, let us agree on the fact that you and I we come from our papa and mama; please just that question, is that all right with you?

You see, when you claim to not know that you come from your papa and mama, then we will see what things you want me to concur with you about, what about that you are engaged in writing posts in this forum, is that all right with you?

You see, you and I, we will not get anywhere on the issue God exists or not, when you and I do not have any concurrence on anything at all; that is why I like very much for us to get concurred on something at all to be existing.

To all atheists, please also tell me something that is independent of our thinking mind, which you and I concur to be existing in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.

My purpose is to interact with Loudmouth in I hope a sustained exchange on the issue God exists or not; of course all atheists can join in, still I will attend directly to Loudmouth.

Now, to atheists who see me to be into word salad, please also concur with me that at least you and I, we concur on the existence of salad.

More word salad. Let us know when you have evidence.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Dear Loudmouth, thanks for coming over at the end of several pages.

Now, I like to ask you whether you understand the thought in this sentence:

God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

You say that is a belief statement.

Okay, I concur with you that it is a belief statement.

Now, is it all right with you that you and I go to search for any entity in the totality of existence, to search for such an entity, corresponding to the belief statement above?

When you refuse to accept my invitation to search for such an entity, then what about you and I agree to search for the entities like humans from whom we come forth as from our parents?

When you reply to this message, please first tell me whether it is all right for you to search me and you for where you and me come from, scil., humans who we call parents; please just do that first before you ask for anything else.

Now, when you say that you have already searched in yourself where you come from, and you conclude that you don’t know, then I like to tell you that you come from your papa and mama, is that acceptable to you, namely, that you come from your papa and mama?

Now, I also propose that you ask me where I come from, and I will tell you that I come from my papa and mama; at least we agree that you and I come from our respective papa and mama.

Is that all right with you?

Just now at this point in time, let us agree on the fact that you and I we come from our papa and mama; please just that question, is that all right with you?

You see, when you claim to not know that you come from your papa and mama, then we will see what things you want me to concur with you about, what about that you are engaged in writing posts in this forum, is that all right with you?

You see, you and I, we will not get anywhere on the issue God exists or not, when you and I do not have any concurrence on anything at all; that is why I like very much for us to get concurred on something at all to be existing.

Yeah yeah, all living things have parents, get on with it already!!

To all atheists, please also tell me something that is independent of our thinking mind, which you and I concur to be existing in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.

My purpose is to interact with Loudmouth in I hope a sustained exchange on the issue God exists or not; of course all atheists can join in, still I will attend directly to Loudmouth.

Now, to atheists who see me to be into word salad, please also concur with me that at least you and I, we concur on the existence of salad.

Not only is this word salad, it is a complete waste of time. And bandwith.

Make your point already.

 

[Loudmouth]

When you refuse to accept my invitation to search for such an entity, then what about you and I agree to search for the entities like humans from whom we come forth as from our parents?

I haven't refused anything. You claim to have evidence for the existence of God. I asked to see it. That invitation is still sitting there.

When you reply to this message, please first tell me whether it is all right for you to search me and you for where you and me come from, scil., humans who we call parents; please just do that first before you ask for anything else.

I do accept DNA as a valid source of information concerning our ancestry. Our genomes are direct records of our ancestry.

Now, when you say that you have already searched in yourself where you come from, and you conclude that you don’t know, then I like to tell you that you come from your papa and mama, is that acceptable to you, namely, that you come from your papa and mama?

I accept that I am the product of sexual reproduction, like most animals.

Now, I also propose that you ask me where I come from, and I will tell you that I come from my papa and mama; at least we agree that you and I come from our respective papa and mama.

Is that all right with you?

Yes, that is fine.

To all atheists, please also tell me something that is independent of our thinking mind, which you and I concur to be existing in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.

The universe is independent of our minds, as it is described by empirical observations and measurements.

So are we getting any closer to you giving us this evidence you claim to have?

 

[HitchSlap]

Dear Loudmouth, thanks for coming over at the end of several pages.

Now, I like to ask you whether you understand the thought in this sentence:

God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

You say that is a belief statement.

Okay, I concur with you that it is a belief statement.

Now, is it all right with you that you and I go to search for any entity in the totality of existence, to search for such an entity, corresponding to the belief statement above?

When you refuse to accept my invitation to search for such an entity, then what about you and I agree to search for the entities like humans from whom we come forth as from our parents?

When you reply to this message, please first tell me whether it is all right for you to search me and you for where you and me come from, scil., humans who we call parents; please just do that first before you ask for anything else.

Now, when you say that you have already searched in yourself where you come from, and you conclude that you don’t know, then I like to tell you that you come from your papa and mama, is that acceptable to you, namely, that you come from your papa and mama?

Now, I also propose that you ask me where I come from, and I will tell you that I come from my papa and mama; at least we agree that you and I come from our respective papa and mama.

Is that all right with you?

Just now at this point in time, let us agree on the fact that you and I we come from our papa and mama; please just that question, is that all right with you?

You see, when you claim to not know that you come from your papa and mama, then we will see what things you want me to concur with you about, what about that you are engaged in writing posts in this forum, is that all right with you?

You see, you and I, we will not get anywhere on the issue God exists or not, when you and I do not have any concurrence on anything at all; that is why I like very much for us to get concurred on something at all to be existing.

To all atheists, please also tell me something that is independent of our thinking mind, which you and I concur to be existing in the default status of things in the totality of reality which is existence.

My purpose is to interact with Loudmouth in I hope a sustained exchange on the issue God exists or not; of course all atheists can join in, still I will attend directly to Loudmouth.

Now, to atheists who see me to be into word salad, please also concur with me that at least you and I, we concur on the existence of salad.

I think we can all concur, that you like using the word "concur."

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I think we can all concur, that you like using the word "concur."

I concur.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Dear readers of this thread, first I want to thank you for coming over.

Next I want to thank the founders, owners, operators of these forums, because I have never been in any way curtailed in my exposition of my thoughts here; otherwise everywhere I went I got eventually sooner than later banned, for writing on my thinking and they did not like it.

Now, the present thread is an experiment, and dear readers you will get to know the objective of this thread, as you read my thinking on my exposition on how to prove God exists.

Here goes.

First and before anything else, people who care to prove God exists, or for people who care to disprove or to deny God exists even without proving, because they just want to insist that God does not exist, or they want to maintain their right to not admit that God exists...

First and before anything else, all peoples have got to harbor in their mind or brain the information of the concept of God, otherwise they are not acting rationally and in fact they are acting un-intelligently.

So, dear posters here, and dear readers here who don't post: please, do speak out instead of being all the time passively reading, and not contributing your own thoughts on the issue God exists (or not).

At this point, I will invite posters here to give their comments, on my statement that first and foremost, peoples who want to prove or disprove or deny God exists even without proving anything at all, please give your comments in reaction to my statement about people not having at all any information on the concept of God Which God is to be proven to exist or to not exist, that they are conducting themselves irrationally and even un-intelligently.


So dear readers of this thread, let us sit back and await posters here to present their comments, on my statement that:

First and foremost you have got to have information on the concept of God, in order to be relevant to the proof or disproof of God existing, otherwise you are conducting yourselves irrationally or in particular un-intelligently.​

Again, dear readers here, let us all sit back and await posters here to present their comments or words, to the effect of reacting to my statement immediately preceding this ending paragraph of my post here.



[ A similar thread from me is started in another internet forum. ]

It seems like you're trying to say that one must first have a coherent concept of god before one can go about trying to prove or determine whether or not god exists or doesn't exist...is that about right?

It sounds like a very basic proposal...

After all, that's how proof works doesn't it? If you had no idea what a carrot is...how could you go about proving or disproving the existence of carrots?