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The question is:

Is it about "us"?

Or "God"?

"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,b but do not have love, I gain nothing. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." ~I Corinthians 13:1-13

An answer I needed, and all sometime is the one in John chapter 15, v 1-15. It's about us following Him, remaining in Him.

(love that 1 Cor 13!)
 
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An answer I needed, and all sometime is the one in John chapter 15, v 1-15. It's about us following Him, remaining in Him.

(love that 1 Cor 13!)

Thank you brother, and amen. God bless you for your edifying and encouraging and very timely response.

Yes, we are to encourage each other in the Lord. Thank you for doing so for me.
 
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Dear ByTheSpirit. Jesus gives us good advice in 22 Matthew: 35-40: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself. In verse 40 we read: on these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets. God is Love, and God wants loving sons and daughters.
The Bible tells us: give up all selfish and unloving wishes and wants, start treating all we know and all we meet, as we would love to be treated. God sees our deeds and God hears our kind and loving words. God will Bless us greatly. All we have to do is Love God and love our neighbour. God made us in His image and we owe God our lives, and our brothers and sisters should be told what God is doing for us. God gave His only Son to die for us, and now Jesus our Saviour lives for us. Let us all thank God by being loving and kind to all we meet and know, let us tell them the wonderful NEWS. God is Love and God wants our love. Let us be the sons and daughters which God wants, and tell the Good News to all we know and meet. I say this with love, ByTheSpirit. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

Thank you Emmy, and amen.

God bless you.
 
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You raise an interesting point.

Are we being good stewards when we give to the homeless guy asking for food money who instead will use that money for booze or other drugs? We might feel righteous but have we done good? Maybe the better choice is to help fund a good service/shelter that provides a meal but also provides opportunity to get help with addictions or other issues. And direct the homeless person there.

I once worked for a church organization that had a steady stream of transients coming in to ask for money for food or gasoline. Many of the social agencies in our smallish community had pooled resources to set up a central agency to deal with such people and would help them with food or cash. . .BUT. . . the people had to have identification and be willing to undergo a police background check.

The people who came to me usually said they were enroute to a new job in another city and said they had been mugged or robbed of their I.D. etc., and needed cash for food or gas to get there. But they could never give me the name or phone number of somebody where they came from or where they were going. Nobody in the world who could vouch for them.

We would not give them cash, of course, and knew referring them to the central food/cash bank would be futile. But neither could we send a truly hungry or desperate person on his/her way with nothing. So I arranged with a small cafe and a small service station nearby to accept our vouchers that we would pay if they were cashed in. The person presenting the voucher would receive any meal ordered on the menu or would receive 5 gallons of gasoline. And I kept track of how many vouchers I handed out for the next year. Out of several hundred vouchers, one voucher for gasoline was cashed in and one voucher for a meal. No way to know if the same person cashed both but it probably was.

And as for our spiritual gifts, I think you are right. We are foolish to cast our pearls before swine and we can actually hinder the Spirit if we unnecessarily offend people by forcing unwanted 'witness' upon them. But when the Spirit directs us, there is likely to be much more fruit realized.


This? Is a perfect example of a Holy Spirit empowered word of "encouragement". In quotes there, because this sort of thing is more then simply encouragement to do good deeds. It is as literally the substance of spiritual fire for me.

Like with the instance I spoke of in my initial response, it contains matters which only I know and God knows. Matters of extraordinary Heavenly power.

Though, unfortunately, matters which would be impossible to explain to anyone else, due to their complexity of context, subtlety (high intelligence), and unbelievable context. Difficult to explain sort of matter, because it would only sound far fetched to others.

This is the very sort of word I strive to have, and believe others should to. Where you say something that even may appear random to others, or even to your own self, but somehow you just know it will be meaningful to the listener.

Like walking past a stranger of the street, and just suddenly knowing you have to tell them - though you do not even know them - "they will be okay". You walk on, knowing it was of the Spirit, and perhaps sensing the power... but, for them, their ailing loved one just is suddenly cured. Sort of thing.

...

Anyway, I suppose as to not totally derail that, I will note one far fetched thing.

"The people who came to me usually said they were enroute to a new job in another city and said they had been mugged or robbed of their I.D. etc., and needed cash for food or gas to get there. But they could never give me the name or phone number of somebody where they came from or where they were going. Nobody in the world who could vouch for them."

And, etc...

Hebrews 13:2

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

People often take this as meaning to entertain only homeless strangers, with no ID, no past, no background.

This is much easier to believe, that someone who, though looking scruffy, might not even be of this world.

But, this is not said. So, it is human to elaborate on such a thing. Make up rules about things beyond our understanding or knowledge about beings that we do not even understand.

Ironically, it is not difficult for anyone to accept a representative of mere human kingdoms, of earthly kingdoms, can certainly ethically take elaborate disguises, with false ID, backgrounds, house, apartment, friends, family, knowledge of music, tv, whatever. Where if one checks, they will only find further evidence of their "reality", though none of it is.

But, accepting this from an Heavenly representative, is unfathomable.

And a stranger can be someone you think you know... as Jesus critics pointed out they thought they 'knew all about Jesus'. But, Jesus pointed out, 'they do not actually know where he is from or where he is going'.

In a sense, then, Jesus certainly had a very elaborate disguise. A very word which Paul used for his incarnation, in fact, "disguise".

Everything about Jesus was metaphoric, and that which we know, is instructing, in that way.

I am not saying angels might incarnate and live full lives in the flesh in such a way, no reason to when they do not need to. Jesus did need to, as it was essential to his mission.

Further, I might point out, Jesus does speak of the goats and sheep as having dealt with him, before That Day. Neither the sheep nor the goats realized this, until it was too late.

And he speaks of sending out the angels into the world, through it all.

So, perhaps, if these times are near the very end, we should be especially wary of those whom we meet, and even those whom we think we know.
 
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The question is:

Is it about "us"?

Or "God"?


I do not believe human beings do miracles, so no, I do not believe God does miracles on behalf of human beings.

I definitely do not believe human beings do miracles of God.

"False miracles" are just that -- false miracles. Tricks. Not actually miracles.

Plenty of that these days.

Are you stating you do not believe God works miracles anymore? I am lost as to what your argument with me is?

If so, I disagree, and perhaps let us just keep it at that?

I can certainly bring up Scripture for everything I just said, but I think everyone is well aware of the verses.
 
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This? Is a perfect example of a Holy Spirit empowered word of "encouragement". In quotes there, because this sort of thing is more then simply encouragement to do good deeds. It is as literally the substance of spiritual fire for me.

Like with the instance I spoke of in my initial response, it contains matters which only I know and God knows. Matters of extraordinary Heavenly power.

Though, unfortunately, matters which would be impossible to explain to anyone else, due to their complexity of context, subtlety (high intelligence), and unbelievable context. Difficult to explain sort of matter, because it would only sound far fetched to others.

This is the very sort of word I strive to have, and believe others should to. Where you say something that even may appear random to others, or even to your own self, but somehow you just know it will be meaningful to the listener.

Like walking past a stranger of the street, and just suddenly knowing you have to tell them - though you do not even know them - "they will be okay". You walk on, knowing it was of the Spirit, and perhaps sensing the power... but, for them, their ailing loved one just is suddenly cured. Sort of thing.

...

Anyway, I suppose as to not totally derail that, I will note one far fetched thing.

"The people who came to me usually said they were enroute to a new job in another city and said they had been mugged or robbed of their I.D. etc., and needed cash for food or gas to get there. But they could never give me the name or phone number of somebody where they came from or where they were going. Nobody in the world who could vouch for them."

And, etc...

Hebrews 13:2

"Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares."

People often take this as meaning to entertain only homeless strangers, with no ID, no past, no background.

This is much easier to believe, that someone who, though looking scruffy, might not even be of this world.

But, this is not said. So, it is human to elaborate on such a thing. Make up rules about things beyond our understanding or knowledge about beings that we do not even understand.

Ironically, it is not difficult for anyone to accept a representative of mere human kingdoms, of earthly kingdoms, can certainly ethically take elaborate disguises, with false ID, backgrounds, house, apartment, friends, family, knowledge of music, tv, whatever. Where if one checks, they will only find further evidence of their "reality", though none of it is.

But, accepting this from an Heavenly representative, is unfathomable.

And a stranger can be someone you think you know... as Jesus critics pointed out they thought they 'knew all about Jesus'. But, Jesus pointed out, 'they do not actually know where he is from or where he is going'.

In a sense, then, Jesus certainly had a very elaborate disguise. A very word which Paul used for his incarnation, in fact, "disguise".

Everything about Jesus was metaphoric, and that which we know, is instructing, in that way.

I am not saying angels might incarnate and live full lives in the flesh in such a way, no reason to when they do not need to. Jesus did need to, as it was essential to his mission.

Further, I might point out, Jesus does speak of the goats and sheep as having dealt with him, before That Day. Neither the sheep nor the goats realized this, until it was too late.

And he speaks of sending out the angels into the world, through it all.

So, perhaps, if these times are near the very end, we should be especially wary of those whom we meet, and even those whom we think we know.

Is it about "us"?

Or "God"?
 
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I do not believe human beings do miracles, so no, I do not believe God does miracles on behalf of human beings.

I definitely do not believe human beings do miracles of God.

"False miracles" are just that -- false miracles. Tricks. Not actually miracles.

Plenty of that these days.

Are you stating you do not believe God works miracles anymore? I am lost as to what your argument with me is?

If so, I disagree, and perhaps let us just keep it at that?

I can certainly bring up Scripture for everything I just said, but I think everyone is well aware of the verses.

Again.

my question is a bottom-line one.

Is it about "us"?

Or "God"?

I'm asking if our "focus" and what we think, say, and do, about "us"? Or is it about "God"?

God is The Great Encourager, is He not? He admonishes us to do the same, amen?

"But thou, O LORD, art a shield for me; my glory, and the lifter up of mine head." ~Psalm 3:3
 
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You raise an interesting point.

Are we being good stewards when we give to the homeless guy asking for food money who instead will use that money for booze or other drugs? We might feel righteous but have we done good? Maybe the better choice is to help fund a good service/shelter that provides a meal but also provides opportunity to get help with addictions or other issues. And direct the homeless person there.

..

And as for our spiritual gifts, I think you are right. We are foolish to cast our pearls before swine and we can actually hinder the Spirit if we unnecessarily offend people by forcing unwanted 'witness' upon them. But when the Spirit directs us, there is likely to be much more fruit realized.

Also, on this part of your response, tying those two paragraphs together:

On the first paragraph, that makes sense, as this was a complaint I got from a spiritual person in my early years. Where he complained that I just went around town throwing spiritual money all over the place. Specifically, as he said this, as it tends often to be with spiritual people, I had an image in my mind of me having been going to a church I very quickly knew was bunk.

They were not doing anything. They were a small group who saw themselves as the only saved people on the planet. And while they claimed this was 'not based on rules and regulations of human beings', it entirely was.

Which meant, at best, it was simply all about them. What could they meaningfully pray about in the world, as they did not even show care if everyone else went to an everlasting torment? And what could they provide others, as they only made half hearted attempts to knock on doors. Where they kept the delusion that every door they knocked on hid only one or more damned person.

On the last paragraph, I think the second part of the two pronged approach of God here, I did not go much into. But, it did involve me being shown how it is best to just give up on some people.

If I were younger and less experienced, maybe I would be more cautious against this.

But, they can end up exhausting your time entirely, and your energy. I, at least, have finite time, and finite energy. And as you say, I certainly can get into a position where what I am saying is not going to win them over.

While people can be very surprising and complicated, after a number of years, it starts to become clear: who is seeking, open minded, wanting; who is spiritual and provides trustworthy advice; and, who is decidedly unfriendly and showing no signs of the capacity to be reasonable or fair.
 
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I agree. A very wise minister .... ??.
Agabus told all the congregations/assemblies in Antioch,
and Saul, (Paul),
Who was Agabus in the Bible?
"In both of these instances, Agabus faithfully delivered the message that God had given him and left it up to the hearers to make an appropriate response. Agabus said no more and no less than what God had told him—and that is the one requirement of a faithful prophet."
 
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Agabus told all the congregations/assemblies in Antioch,
and Saul, (Paul),
Who was Agabus in the Bible?
"In both of these instances, Agabus faithfully delivered the message that God had given him and left it up to the hearers to make an appropriate response. Agabus said no more and no less than what God had told him—and that is the one requirement of a faithful prophet."

Thank you.
 
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All good reading. But the Apostle Paul was very clear that we are all given different spiritual gifts as we need them.
Don't worry about all that, it's a long way off for you.

Read instead all that is written to ekklesia, to know what is directed to ekklesia, by YHWH, what they are to DO, how they are to LIVE,
specifically and generally, individually and all together, single and married, young and old, in every circumstance.
 
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I do not believe human beings do miracles, so no, I do not believe God does miracles on behalf of human beings.

I definitely do not believe human beings do miracles of God.

"False miracles" are just that -- false miracles. Tricks. Not actually miracles.

Plenty of that these days.

Are you stating you do not believe God works miracles anymore? I am lost as to what your argument with me is?

If so, I disagree, and perhaps let us just keep it at that?

I can certainly bring up Scripture for everything I just said, but I think everyone is well aware of the verses.

Related to me as a true story.

A man was driving home from work when he received an unmistakable urge to stop to buy a gallon of milk. He had no idea whether it was needed at home or what, but he stopped and bought the milk. Back enroute to home, he had another unmistakable urge to turn onto a particular residential street. He turned. And stopped where he felt he should stop. And delivered the milk to the door, upon which a man, probably a Mexican immigrant, gasped, uttered a quick "gracious!" and ran to the back of the house where his wife was comforting their hungry and crying baby. In broken English they explained to the man that they had been praying for God to help them. They had no money and it was obvious they had not eaten for some time. He was to start a new job in the morning. The temporary 'angel' pushed all the cash he had into the man's hand, offered a quick blessing, and left.

A miracle done through natural means is no less a miracle.

I believe these things happen. I believe more things like this would probably happen if more were in tune.
 
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Also, on this part of your response, tying those two paragraphs together:

On the first paragraph, that makes sense, as this was a complaint I got from a spiritual person in my early years. Where he complained that I just went around town throwing spiritual money all over the place. Specifically, as he said this, as it tends often to be with spiritual people, I had an image in my mind of me having been going to a church I very quickly knew was bunk.

They were not doing anything. They were a small group who saw themselves as the only saved people on the planet. And while they claimed this was 'not based on rules and regulations of human beings', it entirely was.

Which meant, at best, it was simply all about them. What could they meaningfully pray about in the world, as they did not even show care if everyone else went to an everlasting torment? And what could they provide others, as they only made half hearted attempts to knock on doors. Where they kept the delusion that every door they knocked on hid only one or more damned person.

On the last paragraph, I think the second part of the two pronged approach of God here, I did not go much into. But, it did involve me being shown how it is best to just give up on some people.

If I were younger and less experienced, maybe I would be more cautious against this.

But, they can end up exhausting your time entirely, and your energy. I, at least, have finite time, and finite energy. And as you say, I certainly can get into a position where what I am saying is not going to win them over.

While people can be very surprising and complicated, after a number of years, it starts to become clear: who is seeking, open minded, wanting; who is spiritual and provides trustworthy advice; and, who is decidedly unfriendly and showing no signs of the capacity to be reasonable or fair.

Which is precisely my view of why, when Jesus instructed the apostles to go to the people to make disciples, he told them that if they were not received in a place, to shake the dust off the sandals and soldier on to the next.

It was not for lack of compassion for the people of that town. It was an instruction in not wasting time and resources on exercises of futility.
 
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Don't worry about all that, it's a long way off for you.

Read instead all that is written to ekklesia, to know what is directed to ekklesia, by YHWH, what they are to DO, how they are to LIVE,
specifically and generally, individually and all together, single and married, young and old, in every circumstance.

Blessings upon you YSJ, and I am confident you are blessed by keeping your faith in what is right for you.
 
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Related to me as a true story.

A man was driving home from work when he received an unmistakable urge to stop to buy a gallon of milk. He had no idea whether it was needed at home or what, but he stopped and bought the milk. Back enroute to home, he had another unmistakable urge to turn onto a particular residential street. He turned. And stopped where he felt he should stop. And delivered the milk to the door, upon which a man, probably a Mexican immigrant, gasped, uttered a quick "gracious!" and ran to the back of the house where his wife was comforting their hungry and crying baby. In broken English they explained to the man that they had been praying for God to help them. They had no money and it was obvious they had not eaten for some time. He was to start a new job in the morning. The temporary 'angel' pushed all the cash he had into the man's hand, offered a quick blessing, and left.

A miracle done through natural means is no less a miracle.

I believe these things happen. I believe more things like this would probably happen if more were in tune.

Thanks for sharing again, set up you and ByTheSpirit to follow.

Some more specifics on why your post resonated with me on such power, which I had considered writing in my initial response:

1. The guy whose "like" on a certain post which was part of the main reason I came here? He is an actual angel.

He was my supervisor at a job at a fortune 50 company. And he retains that identity, including an online presence, ever sense. However, he also has other identities.

Previous to that job, I had initially met him about fifteen years prior, where he was in the disguise of a homeless man I took in.

This initial meeting was in 1995. I met his new persona in 2010. (Since then, I have learned he has had various other personas in my life, but irrelevant for the discussion.)

At the time, God had put it into my heart to aid the very homeless poor, and even take them into my own house. God had also put it into my heart that the verse about meeting angels meant homeless people.

He lived with me for a month, and in his actual body, and much of his behavior deeply challenged many of my expectations of what an angel is and can be.

His disguise went well beyond simply having a human body. He also acted as a human undercover agent would, taking on and using a false background, and so on. All of which, however, was, at the same time, metaphoric for various other matters.

Regardless, he ended up flat out telling me he was an angel, though I dared not challenge him on this, for the fifteen years afterwards, I deeply struggled over this matter. Due to elements of his disguise.

Unconsciously, however, or in my heart, I surely knew he was an angel. His manner, his physical appearance, the spiritual way he talked, his general power and beauty were all obvious. At one point he even said to me in regards to my struggle here, "I know you are not stupid".

At the end, he also warned me that he had many more very difficult things to share with me. That he had to do so.

2. By the 2010 job, I was well acquainted by then with the concept of disguise in regards to human organizations which were undercover. And, I was more acquainted with the concept of angels potentially having more persistent appearing covers.

His physical form had drastically changed. Over ten years younger, four inches shorter. He did not walk with a strange gait which I had never seen with anyone else before. He had no deep Texan accent. He was far from homeless, but the upper level executive of the division with about twenty people under him. And, he was well educated and capable in my now very technical field, where I had a world leading experience set.

But, he indicated he was the same guy, bringing up matters which I had not spoken to with anyone on, at a time when I was very obscure. He even replicated his very bizarre and specific walk.

And, as in the previous incarnation, he had no problem interjecting into conversations secrets of mine, otherwise. Usually in such a way that I could not derail the conversation and confront him on it.

In fact, the entire division was this way. Something I am now well used to. We had badges, we walked in the main buildings. But, there was as still a ghost or invisibility aspect to it all.

3. Since then, he has appeared in various other guises, and there are others, many others. But, it is odd with him. He keeps up multiple guises that keep up an online (and offline) persistency.

Point is: faith and knowledge. God brought me from a place where I really felt God and Heaven and angels were all very far away. Until, now, some twenty seven years later, I see and find many angels all around us, in disguise.


Even your nick, however, brings back memory on this very subject. As there was an incident when at that 2010 job, where the metaphor of posting online using "foxfire" was related to the posting of putting foxes with torches on their tails... to send through the harvest of the "philistines". In that case, it was via a female and coworker duplicate of his.

Conclusion:

All of that is not even the tip of the iceberg. God has blessed me with living a life which is unspeakably marvelous and impossibly dwarfs even the most fantastic of modern fiction.

What I live and know, there are no boundaries to no share with anyone else... but their unbelief. So, this saddens me to no end.

All of this will go global soon, so that does not mean they have cause to rejoice. It is not difficult to see how Jesus clearly predicted this. And it is specifically an "end of the age" matter.

All they have to do is open their hearts and minds. Then, what I have, they too, could have.

I know for sure on matters to them, which are simply theoretical, at best. So, that does come out. But, I have to stay on simply, matters, milk. Not meat. Because the world has their hearts so incredibly of stone.

Faith and expectations related to it, is a journey. Initially, I was only able to accept meeting an angel as a homeless person with no past.

Now, I found myself having always really been surrounded by angels. With persistent "legends", backgrounds, and hidden in plain sight.

I see the world in so much pain, but there is nothing I can do but pray and wait, and try and reach out. Of course, I have full confidence in the plan of God, as God has shown me clearly and with rock solid evidence how he was everyone and all nations firmly in his control.

So, I normally speak in a metaphoric way, and on the surface only, as I know, as one who has extreme experience... that comes off. People understand that, at least, in their "unconscious" or heart. Even if their mind or "conscious" rebels.
 
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Which is precisely my view of why, when Jesus instructed the apostles to go to the people to make disciples, he told them that if they were not received in a place, to shake the dust off the sandals and soldier on to the next.

It was not for lack of compassion for the people of that town. It was an instruction in not wasting time and resources on exercises of futility.

Yes, and it was all for us, to take note. The unspiritual say, "This is about the Jews, and not Christians, and I am not a Jew, so it does not pertain to me".

But, God did all of this for us.

So as it was two thousand years ago, so it is today.

So, the seventy were sent out in twos, to preach to others in the Church. One should think of it as. While the saints had many to go and preach to the world, it was to "Israel" first. And likewise, for us, today, it is to the Church, first.

I have little to no pain when speaking of Christ to atheists and those with no experience, directly, of Jesus.

But, where it so deeply hurts, is when I find someone who is posing as a brother or sister, who immediately comes to me with fangs and claws.

And eyes firmly shut.

I know, when I make posts that reveal some of the deeper wisdom God has given me, from extremes investments, that there is a lot of light to that. So, I know, some will receive it with joy and as if a new spring of air in what was a sunk submarine with stale air... for so long. (Not that there are no angels here, of the human kind and the spirit kind.)

They twist my God and love's words to use against me, when I come to them in love and hope. And they ruthlessly take my own words, twisting them, making a strawman out of them, to peddle the very most vicious form of slander.

So, it does hurt, deeply. And, then, I find that hurt alternates between deep hurt and deep anger.

No small part of that anger is because, I admit it, God has made me a sort of teacher, from long ago. And according to that solemn and holy task, I have gone through extremely intense and often very painful judgment, as God has corrected my aim and emboldened my fist.

So, to find those that would see themselves as teachers, saying things that I would not have dared say even as a teenager, thirty years ago?

But, where do I settle, where do I end up? Praying for them to God. Not looking for fire and brimstone, per se, nor to Revelation - though they have zero concern about adding and taking away from God's Most Holy Word, and doing the most despectable and obviously so behavior in His Most Holy Name - but, no... I look to the Apocalypse as Jesus taught it.

And, I am settled in that.

As my very angelic like wife likes to say on the matter, "The best revenges is in living well". And this we find exactly in the apocalypse as Jesus told it specifically as recorded in the Gospels.

Today, we are not alone. But, we speak of a joy and love and of knowledge, that is as an unbreakable code for them. They can not understand it.

We share knowledge of matters of deep secrets full of great glory and power. They can see this, and initially be very angry about it, but ultimately they realize they are left out. The door is shut for them.

To this, then, I have sat back, wrote and thought it out, and settled. I hope to have the strength from God, I pray just for such strength, to maintain it.

For while I find here, and elsewhere, those who would call us "brothers" and "sisters" but are of the enemy... I also find those who, while their experiences may differ, do know the very same glory and the very same power, even the very same blessed immortality.

In terms of the OP and encouragement, there is no encouragement I can give those who say, "I know", when they do not know.

But, to those such as your self, the original posters, and the many like yourselves and like me, with each other -- we can share very much encouragement.

We can share as in the Holy Feast, together, as brothers and sisters, as they can only look on.

And, I do this as well, and we all do, surely as Paul did with his own people. Hoping that they might repent, realizing they thought they had all, but were naked and had nothing, and might turn.

To them, however, directly, once they have identified themselves by the venom of the abuse from their mouths... some word might be appropriate, from a cautious distance. But, otherwise, to be ignored.

Theser things said, I will remove those I have already on 'ignore', and *attempt* to continue without having to use that function.

Exactly so they can see what they are missing out on.

There surely is no other way.

And if this is not the time? Then, when is it?
 
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Yes, and it was all for us, to take note. The unspiritual say, "This is about the Jews, and not Christians, and I am not a Jew, so it does not pertain to me".

But, God did all of this for us.

So as it was two thousand years ago, so it is today.

So, the seventy were sent out in twos, to preach to others in the Church. One should think of it as. While the saints had many to go and preach to the world, it was to "Israel" first. And likewise, for us, today, it is to the Church, first.

I have little to no pain when speaking of Christ to atheists and those with no experience, directly, of Jesus.

But, where it so deeply hurts, is when I find someone who is posing as a brother or sister, who immediately comes to me with fangs and claws.

And eyes firmly shut.

I know, when I make posts that reveal some of the deeper wisdom God has given me, from extremes investments, that there is a lot of light to that. So, I know, some will receive it with joy and as if a new spring of air in what was a sunk submarine with stale air... for so long. (Not that there are no angels here, of the human kind and the spirit kind.)

They twist my God and love's words to use against me, when I come to them in love and hope. And they ruthlessly take my own words, twisting them, making a strawman out of them, to peddle the very most vicious form of slander.

So, it does hurt, deeply. And, then, I find that hurt alternates between deep hurt and deep anger.

No small part of that anger is because, I admit it, God has made me a sort of teacher, from long ago. And according to that solemn and holy task, I have gone through extremely intense and often very painful judgment, as God has corrected my aim and emboldened my fist.

So, to find those that would see themselves as teachers, saying things that I would not have dared say even as a teenager, thirty years ago?

But, where do I settle, where do I end up? Praying for them to God. Not looking for fire and brimstone, per se, nor to Revelation - though they have zero concern about adding and taking away from God's Most Holy Word, and doing the most despectable and obviously so behavior in His Most Holy Name - but, no... I look to the Apocalypse as Jesus taught it.

And, I am settled in that.

As my very angelic like wife likes to say on the matter, "The best revenges is in living well". And this we find exactly in the apocalypse as Jesus told it specifically as recorded in the Gospels.

Today, we are not alone. But, we speak of a joy and love and of knowledge, that is as an unbreakable code for them. They can not understand it.

We share knowledge of matters of deep secrets full of great glory and power. They can see this, and initially be very angry about it, but ultimately they realize they are left out. The door is shut for them.

To this, then, I have sat back, wrote and thought it out, and settled. I hope to have the strength from God, I pray just for such strength, to maintain it.

For while I find here, and elsewhere, those who would call us "brothers" and "sisters" but are of the enemy... I also find those who, while their experiences may differ, do know the very same glory and the very same power, even the very same blessed immortality.

In terms of the OP and encouragement, there is no encouragement I can give those who say, "I know", when they do not know.

But, to those such as your self, the original posters, and the many like yourselves and like me, with each other -- we can share very much encouragement.

We can share as in the Holy Feast, together, as brothers and sisters, as they can only look on.

And, I do this as well, and we all do, surely as Paul did with his own people. Hoping that they might repent, realizing they thought they had all, but were naked and had nothing, and might turn.

To them, however, directly, once they have identified themselves by the venom of the abuse from their mouths... some word might be appropriate, from a cautious distance. But, otherwise, to be ignored.

Theser things said, I will remove those I have already on 'ignore', and *attempt* to continue without having to use that function.

Exactly so they can see what they are missing out on.

There surely is no other way.

And if this is not the time? Then, when is it?

Thank you for the kind words re me. I like to think I have strength of my convictions while keeping an open mind to receive new and/or better information. And sometimes God speaks to me, instructs me, through the written or spoken words of others or via their example. I pray for wisdom and courage to accept such instruction, and also for the insight to separate truth from error.

This thread is about encouraging others--more specifically how we encourage others to do the 'right thing'. The question remains as to what the 'right thing' is. I acknowledge my own feet of clay when I stumble and fall short or lack the courage or will to do what I know I should do. And I pray that when I do, that I discourage or otherwise harm no one.

But my job is not to assume I know what is best for others, yet be a willing vessel for God to speak to them through me. And to hear his instruction for me through others.

I long ago realized that our God is not a God of fixed rules and rituals but speaks to us, relates to us, and points the way via countless means, sometimes through the most unlikely people. The Bible is full of examples of how the Lord used the most improbable and imperfect people to accomplish great things.

That is what inspires me to encourage those called to service and to pray for them to do the right thing.

And it is what gives me hope that I myself am not hopeless and can be useful in His service.
 
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Yes, and it was all for us, to take note. The unspiritual say, "This is about the Jews, and not Christians, and I am not a Jew, so it does not pertain to me".

But, God did all of this for us.

So as it was two thousand years ago, so it is today.

So, the seventy were sent out in twos, to preach to others in the Church. One should think of it as. While the saints had many to go and preach to the world, it was to "Israel" first. And likewise, for us, today, it is to the Church, first.

I have little to no pain when speaking of Christ to atheists and those with no experience, directly, of Jesus.

But, where it so deeply hurts, is when I find someone who is posing as a brother or sister, who immediately comes to me with fangs and claws.

And eyes firmly shut.

I know, when I make posts that reveal some of the deeper wisdom God has given me, from extremes investments, that there is a lot of light to that. So, I know, some will receive it with joy and as if a new spring of air in what was a sunk submarine with stale air... for so long. (Not that there are no angels here, of the human kind and the spirit kind.)

They twist my God and love's words to use against me, when I come to them in love and hope. And they ruthlessly take my own words, twisting them, making a strawman out of them, to peddle the very most vicious form of slander.

So, it does hurt, deeply. And, then, I find that hurt alternates between deep hurt and deep anger.

No small part of that anger is because, I admit it, God has made me a sort of teacher, from long ago. And according to that solemn and holy task, I have gone through extremely intense and often very painful judgment, as God has corrected my aim and emboldened my fist.

So, to find those that would see themselves as teachers, saying things that I would not have dared say even as a teenager, thirty years ago?

But, where do I settle, where do I end up? Praying for them to God. Not looking for fire and brimstone, per se, nor to Revelation - though they have zero concern about adding and taking away from God's Most Holy Word, and doing the most despectable and obviously so behavior in His Most Holy Name - but, no... I look to the Apocalypse as Jesus taught it.

And, I am settled in that.

As my very angelic like wife likes to say on the matter, "The best revenges is in living well". And this we find exactly in the apocalypse as Jesus told it specifically as recorded in the Gospels.

Today, we are not alone. But, we speak of a joy and love and of knowledge, that is as an unbreakable code for them. They can not understand it.

We share knowledge of matters of deep secrets full of great glory and power. They can see this, and initially be very angry about it, but ultimately they realize they are left out. The door is shut for them.

To this, then, I have sat back, wrote and thought it out, and settled. I hope to have the strength from God, I pray just for such strength, to maintain it.

For while I find here, and elsewhere, those who would call us "brothers" and "sisters" but are of the enemy... I also find those who, while their experiences may differ, do know the very same glory and the very same power, even the very same blessed immortality.

In terms of the OP and encouragement, there is no encouragement I can give those who say, "I know", when they do not know.

But, to those such as your self, the original posters, and the many like yourselves and like me, with each other -- we can share very much encouragement.

We can share as in the Holy Feast, together, as brothers and sisters, as they can only look on.

And, I do this as well, and we all do, surely as Paul did with his own people. Hoping that they might repent, realizing they thought they had all, but were naked and had nothing, and might turn.

To them, however, directly, once they have identified themselves by the venom of the abuse from their mouths... some word might be appropriate, from a cautious distance. But, otherwise, to be ignored.

Theser things said, I will remove those I have already on 'ignore', and *attempt* to continue without having to use that function.

Exactly so they can see what they are missing out on.

There surely is no other way.

And if this is not the time? Then, when is it?

Oh, and I meant to include in my last post:

You may be considerably younger than I am. Through long experience I have found that 'shaking the dust' off your sandals thing to be really useful when dealing with the angry, hateful, hurtful people who assume that false kind of righteousness to attack and revile you or assume themselves to be superior to you. It helps a lot when dealing with that. :)
 
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