How to choose between creation and evolution.

[OldWiseGuy]

Read all of that (speedily). Your comment about teachers applying a version of 'survival of the fittest' to their classrooms is just complete and utter marlarkey with a giant side of steam bull droppings. Just because the American government doesn't give a rats behind about the state of their school systems doesn't mean scientists should be the ones who get the blame just because you don't agree with the fact that evolution is a part of modern biological science.

That comment was just a 'barb' tossed at evolution. My main point was the educational system in general. If you want kids to learn science, make sure they learn the science that you are being paid to teach them. Kids are being allowed to fail by teachers who find it difficult to teach them. Part of being a good teacher is persistence. If there is no earthly reason why a kid can't learn a subject there is no excuse for the failure of the teacher to succeed in teaching them.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I tend to think, you just don't like what they spend their time on and what they discover.

I meant 'time' as in billions of empty years crying out to be filled with their theories. Regarding time spent by them I suggest they spend it cleaning up our lakes rather than studying the "new biological communities" discovered in the polluted waters (true story).

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That comment was just a 'barb' tossed at evolution. My main point was the educational system in general. If you want kids to learn science, make sure they learn the science that you are being paid to teach them. Kids are being allowed to fail by teachers who find it difficult to teach them. Part of being a good teacher is persistence. If there is no earthly reason why a kid can't learn a subject there is no excuse for the failure of the teacher to succeed in teaching them.

Then your comment about laying the blame on scientists was just childish and daft.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then your comment about laying the blame on scientists was just childish and daft.

I could ask where teachers general attitudes come from, and I'll bet that the ToE will figure prominently as it's the basis of their education. Remember that we expect much from our teachers, yet our education system functions rather poorly. Whyzat do you think?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I could ask where teachers general attitudes come from, and I'll bet that the ToE will figure prominently as it's the basis of their education. Remember that we expect much from our teachers, yet our education system functions rather poorly. Whyzat do you think?

I think you're being idiotic. REALLY idiotic.

 

[Brightmoon]

Now hold on there. There is no 'evidence' for evolution, only supposition. Old bones don't reveal much evidence of the evolution of soft tissue, which is absolutely necessary to study evolution. The missing link in the study of evolution is the soft tissue of these fossils.

I see you’re not familiar with a recent technique that is able to reconstruct soft tissue from dinosaurs. Iron ions in the blood can preserve soft tissue like cartilage. They’ve been using the techniques to “reverse engineer “ proteins from extinct organisms with iron contains blood and recreate the DNA

Scientists are also able to detect the melanosomes in fossilized dinosaur feathers and tell you what color they were. Melanosomes are different shapes depending on the color

 

[LordKroak10]

They are highly paid.......for what they do.

Another comment that elicited a genuine laugh from me. You are appallingly ignorant if you think scientists are well-paid. Maybe in industry they are, but most scientists (ones in universities) are paid very little, relying on hard-fought grant money to carry out their work. NOBODY goes into science for the money, because there is none. I say this as someone who spent three years working with very real scientists in a lab while in college. Anyone who thinks scientists are trying to manipulate anything for money is pitifully unaware of what they're talking about.

 

[VirOptimus]

I think you're being idiotic. REALLY idiotic.

He is a selfconfessed troll.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

He is a selfconfessed troll.

Is he? I missed that confession.

 

[LordKroak10]

I could ask where teachers general attitudes come from, and I'll bet that the ToE will figure prominently as it's the basis of their education. Remember that we expect much from our teachers, yet our education system functions rather poorly. Whyzat do you think?

My mother is a teacher, allow me to put forward a possibility. Focus today has shifted from the responsibility of the student to the responsibility of the teacher. If a student fails because they don't pay attention, don't do the work, don't put in the effort, it's now suddenly the teacher's fault. A teacher is only capable of doing so much. My mother is not allowed to fail a child at a subject, so she has to give up her own time, and often money, to keep doing the same things with a problematic child over and over again until they can barely achieve a passing grade, which they only got with an adult hovering over their shoulder and helping them answer the questions. Parents do not hold their children responsible for their own education, and the children see no consequences from being lazy. That is one reason why education is failing a lot of America.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Then your comment about laying the blame on scientists was just childish and daft.

The comment was small potatoes. My thinking on education is based on my own experience both in public schools and in the military. My attitude is anathema to liberal educators. Here's the best pattern for our schools.

Myths About Military Schools and Military Academies

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The comment was small potatoes. My thinking on education is based on my own experience both in public schools and in the military. My attitude is anathema to liberal educators. Here's the best pattern for our schools.

Myths About Military Schools and Military Academies

OR you could actually focus on helping public schools and public school children instead. Like, actually spending money on them.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

My mother is a teacher, allow me to put forward a possibility. Focus today has shifted from the responsibility of the student to the responsibility of the teacher. If a student fails because they don't pay attention, don't do the work, don't put in the effort, it's now suddenly the teacher's fault. A teacher is only capable of doing so much. My mother is not allowed to fail a child at a subject, so she has to give up her own time, and often money, to keep doing the same things with a problematic child over and over again until they can barely achieve a passing grade, which they only got with an adult hovering over their shoulder and helping them answer the questions. Parents do not hold their children responsible for their own education, and the children see no consequences from being lazy. That is one reason why education is failing a lot of America.

I think there is a general lackadaisical attitude permeating society that accounts for much of that. My parents didn't give a rats patoot if I passed or failed at school, but my teachers did and I did pretty well mainly because of their discipline. If such discipline were maintained from the earliest grades we could take parental attitudes out of the equation. Sadly permissiveness begins in the early grades so any sense of discipline has been long lost by the time kids get to your mother's classroom.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

OR you could actually focus on helping public schools and public school children instead. Like, actually spending money on them.

Will spending more money introduce the needed discipline into the classrooms? And who would bring it, certainly not today's teachers?

 

[VirOptimus]

Is he? I missed that confession.

It was some time ago, cant be bothered to dig it up. This is his usual modus operandi.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Will spending more money introduce the needed discipline into the classrooms?

It would be a start in the right direction.
If you underfund the military, would you expect them to do a good job? Actually, don't answer since it's a rhetorical question: the answer is they wouldn't do a good job.

 

[Brightmoon]

That evolution is an incomplete puzzle built upon crucial pieces that as yet have not been found.

Im going to use an analogy and compare evolution to a jigsaw puzzle. We got the border mostly put together and have attached main sections of the insides together . There are a few pieces missing and a few that are in the wrong place but the pieces that got mixed up from another jigsaw puzzle (unverified religious beliefs) we’ve pushed to one side and don’t bother with . We know what the big picture ( common descent) is and can tell what all of the little images are and where they go. This analogy is why we refer to evolution as a fact because we do know so much about it.
What creationists ask for is for the cracks between the pieces to be filled in. And we tell them this is a jigsaw puzzle not a painting. We don’t need the cracks to be filled in to figure out what it is.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It was some time ago, cant be bothered to dig it up. This is his usual modus operandi.

Trolling isn't allowed, but provocative topics, like this one, are.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Im going to use an analogy and compare evolution to a jigsaw puzzle. We got the border mostly put together and have attached main sections of the insides together . There are a few pieces missing and a few that are in the wrong place but the pieces that got mixed up from another jigsaw puzzle (unverified religious beliefs) we’ve pushed to one side and don’t bother with . We know what the big picture ( common descent) is and can tell what all of the little images are and where they go. This analogy is why we refer to evolution as a fact because we do know so much about it.
What creationists ask for is for the cracks between the pieces to be filled in. And we tell them this is a jigsaw puzzle not a painting. We don’t need the cracks to be filled in to figure out what it is.

The creation puzzle has fewer pieces....two or three I think, and is already complete.

 

[Brightmoon]

ooops, epic fail.
evolution is a disproven "theory" always, changing every six months as new information is provided. i.e. never right nor true.

true "science" if you can ever find it, agrees perfectly with God.

The creation puzzle has fewer pieces....two or three I think, and is already complete.

40 years ago we wouldn’t have said that dinosaurs had feathers . Then we found lots of feathered dinosaurs .Theories change according to verifiable evidence

There is NO evidence for creation . I’m not an atheist and I’m still saying that.