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How to Approach Sin in Church?

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There are some churches that I know that are getting out of hand with their modesty. It keeps happening gradually and in a borderline fashion. Every 6 years it seems like they keep raising the bar by a margin. This borderline I speak of might be me beating around the bush out of love. How do you correct the entire church when you have:

1) Non-Believers

2) Baby Christians

3) Long-term Christians


All three groups are doing it. Pastors are afraid to address because of consequences or maybe they are struggling themselves with temptation. This is not an outreach event being held out in public; that is understandable. This is house of God that is being defiled. I know some Catholic buildings provide the people with a paper-like robe when they arrive immodestly. What is the appropriate approach in correcting an entire church sliding into immodesty?
 
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If a women is wearing something borderline immodest (nothing extreme) in your church what do you do if:

Scenario 1) She's a new non-believer.

Scenario 2) She is a baby Christian.

Scenario 3) She is a long-term Christian.


What is the appropriate approach for each of these three instances?

1. Pray for her, welcome her in.

2. Pray for her, bear with her, love her and if you she knows you and trusts you and you have earned a relationship with her talk to her about it.

3. Pray for her, approach her in the love of God (she should know you, you should know her if shes been in the church, your church a while) and tell her how you feel, show her the word of God, bear with her in love. Most importantly... pray for her.

The bible does not draw hard black lines on the issue of dress and you cannot reject, chastise or refuse people for this.

When Paul rebuked people or corrected them strongly he did so with great anguish and tears, the same love, temperment, care for people should also temper how we correct or rebuke. Let love and humility fill all that we do, without those two things we are worthless, regardless of what else we get right. When Paul did say cast people out, it was to save them through sorrow, not to simply cast them out and then he said bring them back in and love them, before their sorrow get's too great.

Remember, God chastises church's that have sin in them but he threatens to wipe churches without love off the map completely. Rev 2.
 
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If it's borderline immodest, nothing extreme I would limit it to simply prayer, though if you are her friend and you have a relationship with her then talk to her about it with love and acceptance, don't force the issue. Most importantly, pray as you would/should about everything else too.

Also consider that it isn't actually/completely "sin"
 
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Then I think this is something us older and mature people should consider and know for ourselves, that's why we don't do things we could probably get away with... in consideration of others who don't understand, but it isn't something that you cast out a younger, less mature believer or a sinner for, if it is a mature christian I still think it is an issue of prayer and since the person isn't actually living in sin (when Paul said cast someone out it was because a guy was having sex with his mom or mother through marriage) it was serious and sin. I think this is still something that should be handled with love, prayer and correction (in love) and if she doesn't hear you leave it in God's hands, this isn't something you can reject a person for.
 
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You should treat them all the same. Be welcoming and loving build a relationship with them and get to know them and their story a little bit. So that when you bring the issue up you have built a foundation of trust so they know you are coming from a place of Christ and love not harsh judgment. It is all about your tone and wording you don't want them to be hurt or embarrassed so make it one on one and come from a loving place after you have gotten to know each other a bit. Don't walk up to a complete stranger and start saying things they will only think it harsh and mean. Or if you don't know them very well and you think it needs to be addressed asap then go to someone they are close to and see if they can talk to the women about it since they have a better relationship with her. Dealing with sin and accountability is all received based on relationship we need to have one before we just go around saying whatever otherwise it won't come from the right place.
 
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Enlist a wise, mature woman to befriend her and guide her if she is truly being immodest. If she's "borderline" then that is your problem, sit at another place in the church. If she's pretty and has a nice curvy frame that's not HER fault.
 
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Apply the following to all three scenarios:
Pray for her, friendship/fellowship and at my church there is
Apples of Gold (mature Christian ladies who "adopt" a younger lady)
and teach her everything from making a budget to being a lady
after God's own heart. Yes, modesty is covered in that as well.
 
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I updated the first post. It is actually more serious. It is not an individual but an entire church sliding, and it keeps happening in a borderline fashion.

That is a matter for the minister. Unless you happen to be the minister, I would advise you to leave well alone.
 
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There are some churches that I know that are getting out of hand with their modesty. It keeps happening gradually and in a borderline fashion. Every 6 years it seems like they keep raising the bar by a margin. How do you correct the entire church when you have:

1) Non-Believers

2) Baby Christians

3) Long-term Christians


All three groups are doing it. Pastors are afraid to address because of consequences or maybe they are struggling themselves with temptation. This is not an outreach event being held out in public; that is understandable. This is house of God that is being defiled. I know some Catholic buildings provide the people with a paper-like robe when they arrive immodestly. What is the appropriate approach in correcting an entire church sliding into immodesty?
Personally, I don't think the meeting of believers to worship God and be taught from His Word is the place to encourage the attendance or the participation of those who do not love God. As I said in another thread, the Alpha or Christianity Explored courses are far more appropriate means of giving a curious unbeliever an introduction to the Christian faith. If, however, an unbeliever is determined to sit among believers as they worship and are taught, he/she ought to be required to respect the biblical injunctions concerning modesty that are given to believers.

I have been working out now in gyms for over 30 years. Many gyms where I have worked out have fairly stringent guidelines governing not only dress but conduct. In several gyms I attended you weren't permitted to swear, or make loud noises when lifting. You also weren't allowed to slam or drop the weights or leave them lying about after using them. If you were observed doing any of these things, a clerk would arrive to ask you to leave. You couldn't even get onto the gym floor if your dress was "inappropriate" (no shirt, too revealing, no athletic shoes, clothes smelled, etc.). None of these gyms lacked for clientele even though their standards were strict. Their codes of conduct and dress were actually a selling point for most people!

How is it that a gym can require a certain kind of dress and conduct of its users and no one bats an eye, but a church service, which is to be reflective of God's holiness, purity, and profundity, is expected to tolerate whatever dress and behaviour comes through the door?

I have had unsaved friends who have said that they don't attend church because they feel the services are irreverent and make too many compromises with secular culture. Even the unsaved recognize the corruption that has gripped the Church while Christians continue to bend over backward to make a sinner comfortable rather than convicted!

The way to retrieve the Church from its downward slide into secularism is quite simple: refuse to allow the World any representation within the Church.

2 Corinthians 6:14-18
14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?
15 And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?
16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people."
17 Therefore "Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you."
18 "I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty."


Selah.
 
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What people choose to wear is nobody's business but theirs!!!

If what somebody wears or does causes a brother or sister to stumble, especially in a house of God, it is indeed the churches business. I would advise to take the matter up with your pastor.
 
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Isn't the Bible full of people (the prophets) delivering warnings to people, groups, and nations on behalf of an angered or disappointed God? The sinner is asleep to his sin and Satan rejoices in the problems it causes so often it is left to a person to be the messanger.
 
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