How to answer the bible errors

[ashout]

So this is where my brain doesn't get it...if both sides could both be spirit filled, have read the whole bible, in all of its context, say they have been lead by the spirit to teach...etc...how come they cant agree? This causes a lack of faith for me..not that I am comforted by God's sovereignty, but that two sides claim to have heard from the Holy Spirit and believe their interpretation is correct.

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The old testement is hard for people to take becuase they do not understand God. HE HURTS PEOPLE! he has wise sometimes loving reasons for doing it. in the old testement, the emphasis is largly on how he hurt all these people for doing what is wrong, and the new testement is largly about how to avoid being hurt by God. that is all. he said "I have punished these people in this way for this sin" and then "you do not have to be hurt by me like those other people were, my children will come to be and this is what they will be like" that's why it's about love largly, it's instructional.

 

[wayfaring man]

So this is where my brain doesn't get it...if both sides could both be spirit filled, have read the whole bible, in all of its context, say they have been lead by the spirit to teach...etc...how come they cant agree? This causes a lack of faith for me..not that I am comforted by God's sovereignty, but that two sides claim to have heard from the Holy Spirit and believe their interpretation is correct.

Feeling this way in the past led me to study Scripture for myself, rather than try to form beliefs upon what others claim to be true.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. <-----> 2nd Timothy 2:15

Having confidence in God can be a good thing. Yet this "good thing", is sometimes emphasized in a way which tends to lull the vulnerable into a false sense of security.

Jesus warned that many would think of themselves as being securely in Him, and find instead that He "never knew them".

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that hears these sayings of mine, and does them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. <-----> Matthew 7:21-27

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. <-----> Luke 13:23-27

A lot of folks speak of their "salvation" as if it's something which has already occurred.

But for anyone still inhabiting a mortal body, the bulk of our Salvation is yet to come.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away, reserved in heaven for you,
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. <-----> 1st Peter 3:1-9

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. <-----> 1st Corinthians 15:50-54

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. <-----> Matthew 24:11-13

If we cannot be tricked into thinking we're hopeless, even with all that Christ has done on our behalf...then our would be deceiver tries to convince us that we're so securely saved that we don't need to change, even though we are still enslaved in sinful ways.

The truth is we have really great reasons to hope in Christ, and this is given to help to inspire and encourage the effectual sanctification of our entire being.

For Salvation includes both forgiveness and deliverance.

And it's not over until Christ warmly greets us as immortal beings into His Everlasting Kingdom or Righteousness, Joy & Peace. To The Glory of The Father. Amen.

wm

 

[Jerushabelle]

Jerushabelle,

In reference to your comment:
"There is wisdom in putting as much space as possible between ourselves and evil things such as humanistic writings which foolishly attempt to diminish God. You would fault that?
When one considers the whole of Ezekial 4, it doesn't seem the least bit like God is quite vulgar or obscene. It seems more like God knows what He is talking about and we don't. It seems more like God is in control and we aren't!


Response:

Good excuse, which doesn't change the fact that we find quiet a bit of vulgarity in the pages of the OT, which qualifies to be called at least inappropriate, if not obscene.
Therefore, by Christian standards, verses like that in secular books are usually condemned.
Are we dealing with double standards?

Kutte

First of all, I don't make excuses for God. Secondly, man is qualified to judge man. Man is not qualified to judge God.

 

[Jerushabelle]

I have heard what you have said before, but being afraid of death and going to hell when I was little was horrible. Sheep are stupid and they tend to stray. If it were up to me, then who knows where I'd be...but I believe with all of my heart that the good shepard will always keep me.

Here is the thing...knowing God will never leave me... and will always keep me (see below) has been the most comforting part of my spiritual journey...but my question becomes "why don't all see it this way...why are we divided on this issue if we all have the same holy spirit, have all read the context, and have all read the whole bible...this is where I get confused.

Sister, what is it that most comforts you, the actual Scripture or the Baptist interpretation of it?
I prefer to view the Scripture as a whole so I can get the whole messsage from God, not from a man with a specific interpretation. I don't buy into predestination and the doctrine of the elect nor do I buy into Marcion's "once saved, always saved" warping of Scripture.
John 10:1-15
&#8220;Very truly, I tell you, anyone who does not enter the sheepfold by the gate but climbs in by another way is a thief and a bandit. The one who enters by the gate is the shepherd of the sheep. The gatekeeper opens the gate for him, and the sheep hear his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. They will not follow a stranger, but they will run from him because they do not know the voice of strangers.&#8221; Jesus used this figure of speech with them, but they did not understand what he was saying to them. So again Jesus said to them, &#8220;Very truly, I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and bandits; but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the gate. Whoever enters by me will be saved, and will come in and go out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly. &#8220;I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. The hired hand, who is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and runs away&#8212;and the wolf snatches them and scatters them. The hired hand runs away because a hired hand does not care for the sheep. I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father. And I lay down my life for the sheep."


We are required to choose this day whom we would serve; this day, every day.
Not all sheep are stupid. Some have discernment. It comes from studying God's word and listening to the Holy Spirit not the sermons of man.

 

[tackattack]

@joyusdays
I think you're having an issue with a perceived disunity of the Holy Spirit in the Body of Christ as a hole. This is how I see/teach my interpretation of the scripture.

Each congregation is lie a Body of Christ. Every member, has their own skills, situations and Spiritual Gifts with which to serve God. Each also has their own interpretation of how the scripture is interpreted because we all have the Holy Spirit in us as a translator. Each has their own level of spiritual growth: some on milk, some on meat some nothing at all. Typically at the congregation level most people in a congregation are there because the feel the same purpose , have the same ideology (general interpretation of scriptural dogma) and practice the same ordinances (foot-washing, Lord's Supper, meeting on Saturday , etc.). However if you broaden the scope a little. No one congregation could encompas the entirety of God's plan for us here on Earth. Some congregations have a heart for missionary work, some are financially aboe to support a cause, some are better at training leaders, some better at seeding new churches, some at welcoming and comforting, etc.

The trick in all this is that we're not jealous of another Churches calling or ability, or angry at how they use those gifts or interpret the scripture. It's dificult for me to see where some Christians protesting at Military member's funerals or throwing rocks at abortion clinics is in God's will, but I trust that the Lord has a purpose for them in his plan. My job is to focus on God and try and walk with Christ, not where I want to be, but where I am. God puts us in the situation and gives us the faith and tool "each to our portion" and he expects us to focus on him (not some other Church) and use it to the best of our ability (like the parable of the talents). Even if we try and misstep, as long as we correct it and try harder to remain on the path then we're a "good and faithful servant". It may be a congregation with 30 people and no money, but strong in faith and prayer. It may be a congregation of 150 with money and a strong outreach, it all our part to do what we can (not what we want)where we are (keeping the focus on God) right now (as testified by the Holy Spirit being an active force in our lives every day). Leave the plan up to God, just till the field he puts in front of us.

I hope that came out clearer than it sounded, I'm aweful tired and am going to bed now.

God Bless,
Dave

 

[His_disciple3]

God will not leave you as long as you don't leave Him. It isn't God who makes sure you don't leave Him. It is you who must make sure you don't leave Him. If this were not so, Satan would not bother the saved and try to tempt them away from the Father. The choice has always been ours; given to us by God and we must make it every day.

well satan can't touch the saved but the reason he bothers us is to dishearten us and take us out of the service of God so that we won't lead others to Christ. Have you not read :

Jude 24-25
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
KJV

there is no power that i can come up with that will separate me from The love of God, if I say there is than i just raised myself above God The ALMIGHTY

 

[His_disciple3]

Romans 9:11-13

Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad&#8212;: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated"

you are way out of contents with this God did NOT say that before they were born He hated Esau although, through His foreknowledge He could Have, but God is not a respect of persons, in other words Esau had to have done something For God to hate him, as the story unfolds we listen to another scripture. without faith It is impossible to please Him (God).
Esau sold His birth right for a bowl of beans. for He thought without the beans he would die. He didn't trust God for provisions which God had already promised. He had heard of the miracles of God to the Israelites while in the wilderness even the day He provided the Quail. But yet He could not have faith for God to provide a meal to him.

let's finish the content of your verses:

Romans 9:14-15
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
KJV

so let's not turn to John calvin But rather the scripture to see whom God said that he would have mercy on::


John 3:15-18
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
KJV

this is whom God hath said by His foreknowledge that He would have mercy on. not just a random election before time begin.

 

[Jerushabelle]

well satan can't touch the saved but the reason he bothers us is to dishearten us and take us out of the service of God so that we won't lead others to Christ. Have you not read :

Jude 24-25
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
KJV

there is no power that i can come up with that will separate me from The love of God, if I say there is than i just raised myself above God The ALMIGHTY

Brother, many take Scripture out of context to suit themselves. Refer to the whole of Jude's words:

Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, to those who have been called, who are loved in God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ: mercy, peace and love be yours in abundance.

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God&#8217;s holy people. For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling&#8212;these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, &#8220;The Lord rebuke you!&#8221; Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct&#8212;as irrational animals do&#8212;will destroy them.
Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam&#8217;s error; they have been destroyed in Korah&#8217;s rebellion.
These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm&#8212;shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted&#8212;twice dead. They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: &#8220;See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.&#8221; These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage. But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. They said to you, &#8220;In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.&#8221; These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in God&#8217;s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear&#8212;hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. To him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy&#8212;to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.

We can choose to walk away. We can be tempted away. We can harden our hearts and drift away. The warnings are there Brother in black and white!

 

[Kutte]

Jerushabelle,

In reference to your comment:

"First of all, I don't make excuses for God. Secondly, man is qualified to judge man. Man is not qualified to judge God."

Response:
Right on. I consider myself qualified to judge man and if some Jewish scripture writer in times long past quoted God alledgedly saying, "...and thou shalt bake it with dung that commeth out of man, in their sight," then those are man's words and not God's words.

I must conclude, therefore, that we are dealing with double standards. I can only imagine what would happen if the quoted sentence were to be found in a secular book. Every believing Christian would cry out "blasphemy", or, "evil spirited".
But, since we are finding it in scriptures it is acceptable, because, after all, who is qualified to "judge God"?

Give me a break Jerushabelle, and God bless, Kutte

 

[Jerushabelle]

Jerushabelle,

In reference to your comment:

"First of all, I don't make excuses for God. Secondly, man is qualified to judge man. Man is not qualified to judge God."

Response:
Right on. I consider myself qualified to judge man and if some Jewish scripture writer in times long past quoted God alledgedly saying, "...and thou shalt bake it with dung that commeth out of man, in their sight," then those are man's words and not God's words.

I must conclude, therefore, that we are dealing with double standards. I can only imagine what would happen if the quoted sentence were to be found in a secular book. Every believing Christian would cry out "blasphemy", or, "evil spirited".
But, since we are finding it in scriptures it is acceptable, because, after all, who is qualified to "judge God"?

Give me a break Jerushabelle, and God bless, Kutte

You need a break? Try this instead.
Christianity 101 Brother: the Bible is the infallible inerrant word of God. If He used men to put it in black and white that was His choice and we shouldn't question it.
Christians are supposed to be in the world, not of the world. We should be keeping that in the back of our minds when reading secular material. If material found in secular books is evil, it is detrimental to our spiritual health to continue reading it. Therefore, we should put distance between it and ourselves. We don't spend time crying blasphemy or painting it out as evil to the world. The world pays no attention anyway. We should, however, warn our Brothers and Sisters about it. There's no double standard in looking out for one another. It's what we're taught to do in Scripture. God expects it of us.

 

[joyusdays]

you are way out of contents with this God did NOT say that before they were born He hated Esau although, through His foreknowledge He could Have, but God is not a respect of persons, in other words Esau had to have done something For God to hate him, as the story unfolds we listen to another scripture. without faith It is impossible to please Him (God).
Esau sold His birth right for a bowl of beans. for He thought without the beans he would die. He didn't trust God for provisions which God had already promised. He had heard of the miracles of God to the Israelites while in the wilderness even the day He provided the Quail. But yet He could not have faith for God to provide a meal to him.

let's finish the content of your verses:

Romans 9:14-15
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
KJV

so let's not turn to John calvin But rather the scripture to see whom God said that he would have mercy on::


John 3:15-18
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
KJV

this is whom God hath said by His foreknowledge that He would have mercy on. not just a random election before time begin.

If you look up the KJV it does say that he hated esau before the twins had done any good or bad. Do I understand Gods ways? No...but I pray for clarification and must trust...or I have no hope!

Also, there was no greater sin that Jesus' death, and this was God's will that he die and then hold sinners responsible.

To me, there are many things in the bible that seem to go both ways...and yes, it does cause confusion in my head, but I know i have to trust the lord even if his ways are not my ways.

Try to explain this one to me if you think God wants all to be saved.

First of all...God knew that there would be a place for sinners, a place where bodies would burn forever and ever...yet he still created man...now hold on a second...if that's not bad enough...they are gnashing of teeth, a thirst that is never quenched and they now see they were wrong...say..."GOD THE FATHER, THE ALMIGHTY JEHOVAH,PLEASE SAVE ME FROM THIS FIRER Y HELL...MY EYES SEE YOU WERE RIGHT AND I REFUSED YOU, I DIDN'T BELIEVE...PLEASE GOD SAVE ME...but NO...God doesn't care...he gave you one final chance and you blew it...so beg, cry and scream all you want, but 3 strikes you are out. He loved you only for a period of time, but now that you are in Hell and hate it, he doesn't care!

Some might tell me at this point, well they didn't want to serve him...but then i would say this...i've had pastors tell me that a person who didn't get baptized could go to hell too. my kids haven't been baptized, but they love the lord...are they going to hell...a hell that God wants nothing to do with them? If my sons died tomorrow and wern't ready for baptism, would they go to hell? According to the bible, some believe this is a work that you must do.

Or, a person who gets drunk...and doesn't ask God to forgive them of their sins...some pastors teach that the bible says drunkards go to hell...and that if they don't ask for forgiveness...too bad so sad.

So...several thoughts run through my head. If i believed that I was in charge of my salvation, I'd never be good enough to make it, so I must believe that God first saved me...and yet I see where man is responsible to believe.

So I am left with "Gods ways are not our ways" and my husband tells me our little pea brains will never be able to wrap our heads around it.

Then i read bible errors and think" just forget about reading the bible, nobody agrees on everything, so just believe, love God and go about your business"...this is where I am at. One little bible confused girl saved by grace

 

[joyusdays]

You need a break? Try this instead.
Christianity 101 Brother: the Bible is the infallible inerrant word of God.

Then why are verses and their numbers so off if it's perfect?

 

[joyusdays]

Feeling this way in the past led me to study Scripture for myself, rather than try to form beliefs upon what others claim to be true.

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. <-----> 2nd Timothy 2:15

Having confidence in God can be a good thing. Yet this "good thing", is sometimes emphasized in a way which tends to lull the vulnerable into a false sense of security.

Jesus warned that many would think of themselves as being securely in Him, and find instead that He "never knew them".

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
And every one that hears these sayings of mine, and does them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. <-----> Matthew 7:21-27

Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. <-----> Luke 13:23-27

A lot of folks speak of their "salvation" as if it's something which has already occurred.

But for anyone still inhabiting a mortal body, the bulk of our Salvation is yet to come.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fades not away, reserved in heaven for you,
Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. <-----> 1st Peter 3:1-9

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. <-----> 1st Corinthians 15:50-54

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. <-----> Matthew 24:11-13

If we cannot be tricked into thinking we're hopeless, even with all that Christ has done on our behalf...then our would be deceiver tries to convince us that we're so securely saved that we don't need to change, even though we are still enslaved in sinful ways.

The truth is we have really great reasons to hope in Christ, and this is given to help to inspire and encourage the effectual sanctification of our entire being.

For Salvation includes both forgiveness and deliverance.

And it's not over until Christ warmly greets us as immortal beings into His Everlasting Kingdom or Righteousness, Joy & Peace. To The Glory of The Father. Amen.

wm

so what are you trying to say to those who don't see things the way you do? I am unclear.

 

[Jerushabelle]

Then why are verses and their numbers so off if it's perfect?

Could you clarify your question a little bit? I'm not understanding what you are asking.

 

[joyusdays]

you said that the bible was the infallible word of God. Do you think since there are several errors that we can say it's God's word?

2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."
2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

2 Samuel 6:23 says "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death"
2 Samuel 21:8 says "But the king took...the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul"

2 Samuel 8:3-4 says "David smote also Hadadezer...and took from him...seven hundred horsemen..."
1 Chronicles 18:3-4 says "David smote Hadarezer...and took from him...seven thousand horsemen..."

1 Kings 4:26 says "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots..."
2 Chronicles 9:25 says "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots..."

2 Kings 25:8 says "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month...Nebuzaradan...came...unto Jerusalem"
Jeremiah 52:12 says "...in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month...came Nebuzaradan...into Jerusalem"

 

[Jerushabelle]

you said that the bible was the infallible word of God. Do you think since there are several errors that we can say it's God's word?

2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."
2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

2 Samuel 6:23 says "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death"
2 Samuel 21:8 says "But the king took...the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul"

2 Samuel 8:3-4 says "David smote also Hadadezer...and took from him...seven hundred horsemen..."
1 Chronicles 18:3-4 says "David smote Hadarezer...and took from him...seven thousand horsemen..."

1 Kings 4:26 says "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots..."
2 Chronicles 9:25 says "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots..."

2 Kings 25:8 says "And in the fifth month, on the seventh day of the month...Nebuzaradan...came...unto Jerusalem"
Jeremiah 52:12 says "...in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month...came Nebuzaradan...into Jerusalem"

Yes, we can.

 

[JessaMesss]

Gen 32:30 So Jacob named the place [fn]Peniel, for he said, "I have seen God face to face,
yet my [fn]life has been preserved."

This is wear you get into the trinity, God is one God but three different persons, the father the
son and the holy ghost.

That above reference was when Jacob wrislted with Jesus, when they state that no one has seen Gods face
they are talking about the father and the spirit


Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father,
He has explained Him. (notice how it states the only begotton God who etc that Jesus)



So what they call contradictions is basically them showing they don't really know what the bible is saying
why its saying it and who is saying it,


I would go threw all that you listed but I really don't have the patience, but if you like you can bring them
up to me one at a time and I will go over them with you, I would be happy to in fact......

 

[joyusdays]

Gen 32:30 So Jacob named the place [fn]Peniel, for he said, "I have seen God face to face,
yet my [fn]life has been preserved."

This is wear you get into the trinity, God is one God but three different persons, the father the
son and the holy ghost.

That above reference was when Jacob wrislted with Jesus, when they state that no one has seen Gods face
they are talking about the father and the spirit


Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father,
He has explained Him. (notice how it states the only begotton God who etc that Jesus)



So what they call contradictions is basically them showing they don't really know what the bible is saying
why its saying it and who is saying it,


I would go threw all that you listed but I really don't have the patience, but if you like you can bring them
up to me one at a time and I will go over them with you, I would be happy to in fact......

Thank you. Explain this one to me, how the numbers are so different

2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."
2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

 

[joyusdays]

Yes, we can.

So are you saying we can say God's word has flaws?

 

[JessaMesss]

Thank you. Explain this one to me, how the numbers are so different

2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."
2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

The odd thing is I looked it up and the numbers appear to be the same

2Ki 8:26 Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king
, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah
the granddaughter of Omri king of Israel.


2Ch 22:2 Ahaziah was [fn]twenty-two years old when he became king,
and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. And his mother's name was Athaliah, the [fn]granddaughter of Omri.

I'm reading from the New American standard, you have to be careful as to what versions of the bible you get cause there are some out there that have been altered


Any other questions? =)