How to answer the bible errors

[His_disciple3]

2 Samuel 6:23 says "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death" 2 Samuel 21:8 says "But the king took...the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul"

wow!!! unbelievable that this one was even put in there. if you read the whole text of your own verses, one would see there is no contradiction here, let's look to Moses for this answer: Moses was brought/raised up by someone other than his birth Mother, even though His birth mother was still alive. He was consider as the son of the lady whom brought/raised him up. I thought you said you were a treacher, when some should be teaching you find yourself in need of being taught. look at your own verse.

2 Samuel 21:8
8 But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
KJV

Whom She Brought up for Adriel; Adriel was married to Merab who was Saul's oldest daughter, so the five sons whom she brought/raised up was her older sister's childern. but because she brought them up they were consider her sons, and the day she died She had her Child.

does this alone not show you the intent of the website that you copied from, how they only gave you part of a verse to make it look like a contradiction, should we go any further with this thread or kill it now before it turns anymore from the faith??? you make the call teacher,

 

[Goinheix]

I know God is perfect. Without God, we all have no hope. But I get confused with the bible.

We, my husband and I, have had so many different teachers, and our last christian friend told us he just calls the bible "the book" and I think it's because he feels in his heart to call it 'Gods word" is almost wrong because it can't be God's word or else everything would be perfect.

So I looked up bible errors and found that site I copied for you. There are things in there that are obvious errors.

In the Bible there are only few obvious errors. Those few actual errors have a clear explanation by copying and translating errors. The other "errors" are aparent, after a close study you will understand that there is not an error at all.

Recently I bought a copy of El Cid, the oldest spanish book. It was good to found out that there is as many errors in el Cid because copy or human intevention. The editor did include all diferencies of the text. He explain why and how the copint did the error. Some times because he take the eyes of the "original" and then bring them back in the wrong line. Some times because the copist tried to correct what he thot incorrect. My poit is; in every ancient book, including the Bible you will found error by copist. It does not means that the copy became useless.

Bible example.
Mark says that a second [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] did sing (sorry for my english). If you go back few verses you probabli (depending on your version) will found the first [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] singing. Believed or not that is an huge mistake. At some point, a copist reading about the second [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], he feel necesary to introduce himself a first [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. That is clear because all copies we have previous to that time, did not include a first [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]; and all copies from then on do include it.
In the Bible, the Word of God it was not a first [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], and we figure it out.

Other Bible example.
Jesus is saying "from the blood of Abel to the blod of Zachary son of...who died between the temple and the sactuary" (at this very moment I dont have a Bible at hand). What is the problem? That the Zachary who died like that was not son of ... The Zachary son of... is the prophet Zachary.
The answer is: at tha masoretic text, that is the "Bible" for thr jew, the "Bible" on times of Jesus, Chronicles is the las book. In the massoretic text, or cannon, Abel did died in the first book, and Zachary did died in the last book. Jesus was saying "all the dead from cover to cover".
But, for the christian cannon, the last book was Zachary (if you open your OT you will found Malachi as last book. perhaps malachi was inclded in the same roll as Zachary. that is not proved at all, but a possibility that makes sence) What we guess (guess) is that somebody trying to keep the meaning "from cover to cover" did include "the son of..." in orther to mean the prophet Zachary; a man that was not even kill.

That is a problem of a copist/translator. Even today we read in our Bible "I will punish you" instead of "I will cut you in two" woch is the original greek text. Even today we read "I am a Christ servant" instead of the original "slave".

As i says: the World of God is inerrant until human commenced handling it.
But that dont means that the Bible in our hands is useless.
What is de differet for your salvation if it was one or two [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] singing?
How the doctrine is afected is it was the Zachary in Chrinicles or Zachary the prophet?

 

[Goinheix]

Beware
I dont mean to contradict myself but...

last example:
Jesus is saying how hypocrital the pharise were by tithyng. He end saying "they had to do that without quit doing the other". Many defenders of tithe force the text and interpretes that Jesus is meaning not to quit tithig. Then a big discussion starts trying to fogure out what Jess was meaning not to quit. Because the direct interpretatio is "they had (pass tense) to do that (to tithe) without quit the other (miserichordy, justice). Otherway the had to do misericordy and justice (not anemore, but in pass times) and not quit tithing.

How we solve the controversy. Some editor have change the text and they print a Bible saying directly "dont quit tithing". That is not an error. That is a modification of text with dark intentios as the Witnesses of Jehova did change its Bible.

like I say. Beware. Check out different translations, check the original greek or hebrew. But in day by day reading you can thrust in the Bible at your hands.

 

[Goinheix]

Contradictions
2 Kings 8:26 says "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..." 2 Chronicles 22:2 says "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..."

It is not an internal or logical interpretation. Aparently some how an error was introduce early in the precess of copiyng. The masoretic text was copied with extrict rules and control. it is interesting that those controls and rules did prevent the copist to correct it back. The copying was so perfect as making photocopies today, it was not aceptable or possible to introduce any change (by error or by correction) into the Word of God.

The fact that we stil can found the error, talks about the honesty of ansient copist and modern editors.

Note.
There is a difference betwen Luk and Matt-Mark. In a verse Luk say Jesus was in Judea, while the others sinoptics say He was in Galily. The RV95 (the spanish version of the Bible Sosiety) did correct Luk and in that edition we read "galily" in all 3 gospels. Why?
The Bible Sosiety explain that for Luk, the name "judea" was meaning judea + samary + galily. That is true. Luk say that Herod was King of Judea, but he was actually King of all 3 regions.
Any way, in my opinion, the correction of the text is not aceptable at all.

 

[Kutte]

Goinheix,

In reference to your comment:
"Beware. Check out different translations, check the original greek or hebrew. But in day by day reading you can thrust in the Bible at your hands."


Response:
Wow!
That's quite an undertaking you are asking for. How can one trust in the Bible at one's hand if it hasn't been cleared by numerous Bible experts?

An other thing worthwhile mentioning: the Bible also contains vulgarities and obscenities, witchcraft too. Should the good book be banned from libraries and other public places?

A wise man once said, "God created man in His image while humans created God in their image." So it may be with many parts of the Bible, especially the OT.

Kutte

 

[Goinheix]

Goinheix,

In reference to your comment:
"Beware. Check out different translations, check the original greek or hebrew. But in day by day reading you can thrust in the Bible at your hands."


Response:
Wow!
That's quite an undertaking you are asking for. How can one trust in the Bible at one's hand if it hasn't been cleared by numerous Bible experts?

An other thing worthwhile mentioning: the Bible also contains vulgarities and obscenities, witchcraft too. Should the good book be banned from libraries and other public places?

A wise man once said, "God created man in His image while humans created God in their image." So it may be with many parts of the Bible, especially the OT.

Kutte

At home I have a good number of spanish translations. All of them claim to be the work of a good number of experts. Despite of that, each team of experts have come with a different translation. But the problem is not in small translation issues, is not about choosing one spanish word or another meaning almost the same. The problem go little deeper and started with choosing the apparatus, that is the original text to translate.

Can you explain the obsenities and wightcraft?

The Bible says that God created men, and also says that man created gods. That is not a big discovery of that "wise man". What is wise is to understand that each of us see God in its own way. Me and my wife, we believe in the God of the Bible, the God of Jew, Christians, and Muslim. Not only Jew, Christians and Muslims have a " different" God; my God and my wife God is "not the same".

 

[Jerushabelle]

All translations are just that, translations. From the ancient Hebrew, much is lost in the translation to English. What is important is that when reading the different translations, we should rely on the revelation of the Holy Spirit. We should also read the Bible comparatively. Never use just one translation for in-depth study. Goinheix is correct in that we can trust the Bible that is at hand for brief references and the reason is that we can trust God and the Holy Spirit. Please refer to Isaiah 55:8-11 in whatever translation you currently use. The verses are pretty much the same in all translations and so is God's message found there.

 

[joyusdays]

I think my issue stems from all of the christian teachers who disagree. I think it has scarred me in so many ways.

So may we take a few steps back because you are going in a direction that is just confusing me more..although I so appreciate the time you are taking to answer.

Can we first start with you Steve telling me how long you've been a christian. Who taught you to understand the bible ie, which commentaries or study material do you go by? And, are there any Chrisitan Scholars whom have read the whole bible in all of its context whom you would still disagree with.

Goinheix, the same for you. I have a very hard time understanding you and need things broken down very simple please.

I know you guys must think I have so little faith...and in this area I struggle. I have a hard time trusting and I so bad want to know the truth, but man has made me doubt so much. I am not expecting you to solve all of my questions, but it's so nice to be able to share my heart and not be judged...please.

God bless you all for putting up with me!

 

[ashout]

I think my issue stems from all of the christian teachers who disagree. I think it has scarred me in so many ways.

So may we take a few steps back because you are going in a direction that is just confusing me more..although I so appreciate the time you are taking to answer.

Can we first start with you Steve telling me how long you've been a christian. Who taught you to understand the bible ie, which commentaries or study material do you go by? And, are there any Chrisitan Scholars whom have read the whole bible in all of its context whom you would still disagree with.

Goinheix, the same for you. I have a very hard time understanding you and need things broken down very simple please.

I know you guys must think I have so little faith...and in this area I struggle. I have a hard time trusting and I so bad want to know the truth, but man has made me doubt so much. I am not expecting you to solve all of my questions, but it's so nice to be able to share my heart and not be judged...please.

God bless you all for putting up with me!

You know all you need to know, just know that. you have faith, you believe God will lead you into the truth, and you DO read the bible. NEVER STOP! and obey it too, if you understand it.

 

[RINO 72]

uke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Frankly, this is what I would expect from eyewitness accounts.If all four Gospels matched up perfectly then I think that would be an issue.

 

[Jerushabelle]

uke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost." John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

Frankly, this is what I would expect from eyewitness accounts.If all four Gospels matched up perfectly then I think that would be an issue.

Good point, Brother! Uh, but you knew that!

 

[joyusdays]

I have been a Christian since a very young age,
a very long time ago...in a galaxy far far, oh never mind.

Commentaries? Calvin, Luther, Webster, Wesley, Spurgeon, Coverdale and others. Their commentaries are exactly that, men commenting on God's Word. Not God's Word itself.
As far as agreeing or disagreeing with someone's comments, that in no way changes God's Word and it's God's Word we need to trust.
We need to look to and trust God's Word more that anything man has to say. Pray then study and allow The Holy Spirit to guide you into all knowledge. We have that in a promise, Jesus said that if we seek we will find, if we knock the door will be opened and if we seek wisdom we will be given wisdom.
My suggestion is the study of as many translation/versions as you can. Study, compare and ask questions. Start a study group, let everyone bring different Bible versions and compare them as you study. The answers are in The Bible, there for the finding, you don't need commentaries.

I need to apologize here as I missed your comment about not wanting to hear from Pastors, oops! Sorry.
How do they say that nowadays? My bad!

Sorry if it sounded rude, about pastors, but it was pastors whom we've been so hurt....and I never understood the title pastor...but anyway...that's a whole NUTHER topic

But let me ask you something. When you say we need to trust God's word more than what man has to say....most people get teaching on "God's word"...and then trust. For example, if one reads "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated, one might assume that God favored Jacob. So...I go and ask my pastor and he tells me that this is predestination and he gave me the book by RC spraul and told me just to keep praying that God will make it clear and bring me to truth...so the pastor's wife starts telling the congregation "i am witholding love as jesus once did" blah blah and we left the church because it got bizarre. So we tell our next "pastor" that... we were led to believe in predestination, and he gets out his commentary and tells us our greek commentary was all wrong, that man has a free will, and in fact, if you don't speak in tongues, you aren't filled with the Holy Spirit...but to keep praying because God will lead us to truth. So we asked and asked God for tongues, and never got it, and that church got a little off, in our eyes, so we went and visited a Christian church where they wear head coverings. They don't have a name on their church. No pastor titles, all kids have to sit on mats, and the elders have you make your finances accountable to them. We were told if we didn't do that and wear the head coverings, as the bible told us to do, that we were not obeying God. So we questioned it, and we were told just to keep trusting God's word...and that we'd be led to truth. The next Christian church we visit, my husband was a sunday school teacher. He helped with the youth. He was told he wasn't interpreting God's word correctly, then this same man molested his 14 year old daughter, and the "pastors wife killed herself from an overdose"...so yes...my faith is a bit shipwrecked. I don't feel like I should waste time on old bible stories that people can't agree on and that everyone says to 'trust gods word and he will lead you to truth' Why in the world do all of these pastors tell us this. Do not any of them read the context. Are not any filled with the real holy spirit?

So this leads me to the bible errors. When I see things that don't line up, and see that christian leaders are divided on many issues, why do we bother with mans words that are so unclear. Why don't we all just believe and love others...and keep it simple? Why is there so much division on the bible if so many people are so called teachers, preachers, pastors...who should know the sum of God's word.

I am searching for truth...I know it doesn't seem like it...but I want God's truth! I keep asking for Him to reveal Himself to me and all I keep going back to is believe in Him and Love others.

If you are a new believer and this stumbles you, please forgive me. You may not want to read this thread because I really want to get down to the nitty gritty, real stuff with those who want to be real back.

 

[served]

All translations are just that, translations. From the ancient Hebrew, much is lost in the translation to English. What is important is that when reading the different translations, we should rely on the revelation of the Holy Spirit. We should also read the Bible comparatively. Never use just one translation for in-depth study. Goinheix is correct in that we can trust the Bible that is at hand for brief references and the reason is that we can trust God and the Holy Spirit. Please refer to Isaiah 55:8-11 in whatever translation you currently use.The verses are pretty much the same in all translations and so is God's message found there.

I agree with your post Jerushabelle...

One thing we must do is read the bible with our spiritual self, If you do not do that you will only get a history lesson out of it. You cannot rely on man and man's translations and doctrines to get to GOD. Rely on your GOD and your spiritual self to get to the truth.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

AND...

2Co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Matthew 18:16 and a couple of others tell us that 2-3 witnesses are needed to make the word TRUE! So you need a match, you need a spiritual match and spiritual mind to understand the bible with your spiritual self.

The word of GOD is error free but translations do have errors. But just about every bible translation can be read spiritual and you will get the spiritual message you need to know, and believe me its not about cubits and number of children. Bottom line is only trust GOD, GOD is good, GOD is light, GOD is LOVE.

Hope this helps

 

[joyusdays]

I agree with your post Jerushabelle...

One thing we must do is read the bible with our spiritual self, If you do not do that you will only get a history lesson out of it. You cannot rely on man and man's translations and doctrines to get to GOD. Rely on your GOD and your spiritual self to get to the truth.

Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

AND...

2Co 13:1 This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Matthew 18:16 and a couple of others tell us that 2-3 witnesses are needed to make the word TRUE! So you need a match, you need a spiritual match and spiritual mind to understand the bible with your spiritual self.

The word of GOD is error free but translations do have errors. But just about every bible translation can be read spiritual and you will get the spiritual message you need to know, and believe me its not about cubits and number of children. Bottom line is only trust GOD, GOD is good, GOD is light, GOD is LOVE.

Hope this helps

I love the part to rely on God...because this is all we really have. We are praying God show us a church He wants us to go to. It's been 7 years since we've been and we don't want the same old games we've been through (see my post above)

I would love to find some people to fellowship with who just want to bring a song of psalms to sing, who just want to share Gods love, who aren't focused on huge buildings with pews, what time you start and stop, what title you have, I'd love to see what God's love really looks like! For now, I just keep praying for guidance on where God wants us to be.

 

[served]

Sorry if it sounded rude, about pastors, but it was pastors whom we've been so hurt....and I never understood the title pastor...but anyway...that's a whole NUTHER topic

But let me ask you something. When you say we need to trust God's word more than what man has to say....most people get teaching on "God's word"...and then trust. For example, if one reads "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated, one might assume that God favored Jacob. So...I go and ask my pastor and he tells me that this is predestination and he gave me the book by RC spraul and told me just to keep praying that God will make it clear and bring me to truth...so the pastor's wife starts telling the congregation "i am witholding love as jesus once did" blah blah and we left the church because it got bizarre. So we tell our next "pastor" that... we were led to believe in predestination, and he gets out his commentary and tells us our greek commentary was all wrong, that man has a free will, and in fact, if you don't speak in tongues, you aren't filled with the Holy Spirit...but to keep praying because God will lead us to truth. So we asked and asked God for tongues, and never got it, and that church got a little off, in our eyes, so we went and visited a Christian church where they wear head coverings. They don't have a name on their church. No pastor titles, all kids have to sit on mats, and the elders have you make your finances accountable to them. We were told if we didn't do that and wear the head coverings, as the bible told us to do, that we were not obeying God. So we questioned it, and we were told just to keep trusting God's word...and that we'd be led to truth. The next Christian church we visit, my husband was a sunday school teacher. He helped with the youth. He was told he wasn't interpreting God's word correctly, then this same man molested his 14 year old daughter, and the "pastors wife killed herself from an overdose"...so yes...my faith is a bit shipwrecked. I don't feel like I should waste time on old bible stories that people can't agree on and that everyone says to 'trust gods word and he will lead you to truth' Why in the world do all of these pastors tell us this. Do not any of them read the context. Are not any filled with the real holy spirit?

So this leads me to the bible errors. When I see things that don't line up, and see that christian leaders are divided on many issues, why do we bother with mans words that are so unclear. Why don't we all just believe and love others...and keep it simple? Why is there so much division on the bible if so many people are so called teachers, preachers, pastors...who should know the sum of God's word.

I am searching for truth...I know it doesn't seem like it...but I want God's truth! I keep asking for Him to reveal Himself to me and all I keep going back to is believe in Him and Love others.

If you are a new believer and this stumbles you, please forgive me. You may not want to read this thread because I really want to get down to the nitty gritty, real stuff with those who want to be real back.

Also I must say that church in my opinion is not for the truth seekers. That statement is probably controversial to some. At a church you are guided down their road and the direction they want you to go. Wouldn't have JESUS been a good "pastor"? I think so but he wasn't. His congregation was on the street, in peoples homes. He saw the corruption of the "church". The only church I attend is the Church in Christ. Costs me nothing. I do miss the sense of family in a church and the potlucks were nice too. But is "church" as we know it really of GOD? REALLY?? Do theologians and church leaders really know more than all of us? Is the HELL doctrine preached for more offerings at church? These so called teachers, pastors, and theologians will be judged with a different eye than the rest of us.

 

[joyusdays]

Wow, this is so my heart too. I think church has messed with so many people...and part of the reason I think is because they don't see the bible the same way, so they preach it the way they want saying "it's God leading them" I so wish we could see what real preaching was. Jesus never went around telling people his title. Can you imagine people addressing me as "gardener" when I used to serve the church by keeping up on the garden.

 

[served]

Wow, I thought you were reading my mind...this is so my heart too. I think church has messed with so many people...and part of the reason I think is because they don't see the bible the same way, so they preach it the way they want saying "it's God leading them" I so wish we could see what real preaching was. Jesus never went around telling people "call me pastor" YUK! I am so not into that!

Haha yep thats why I hang around the Non-Denominational forum. Don't think GOD cares for the titles. Real preaching is scripture based, not one liners that turn into an hour sermon that has nothing to do with what is read. Its sad how they twist every drop out of one scripture to make their point about why we should give them all our money or any other agenda they have for the week...

 

[joyusdays]

Haha yep thats why I hang around the Non-Denominational forum. Don't think GOD cares for the titles. Real preaching is scripture based, not one liners that turn into an hour sermon that has nothing to do with what is read. Its sad how they twist every drop out of one scripture to make their point about why we should give them all our money or any other agenda they have for the week...

you make a great point. we had a pastor take 1 year just to get through romans. What happened to bringing a psalms to share? And I find so many pastors just get an already made sermon that it doesn't seem real anymore. Again, it might just be that we were getting a bad streak of churches, I am not sure...but my two sisters were molested by our first youth pastor, so obviously I have some pain associated with that.

 

[RickardoHolmes]

Is it really God's word or is it God's story by man? The reason I ask is that I know God is perfect, but if I see any flaw, I begin to think it's not totally God's word, or else it would be error free and clear. This causes me to have to depend on God first and not a book with error. Does this make sense? I used to teach sunday school and after visiting so many churches, one of them cultish, I don't want so many "spirit filled" men to all disagree and give me all different interpretations. Has anyone ever been where I am at. The older I get, the more I see all I know is that God is love and i am nothing without him...but all of the things I thought I used to know...I am not so sure I am there right now.

It is God's Story BY MAN, and specifically, For and by the one writing it. We read someone's interpretation or idea, or definition of "God" when we read ANYTHING written by man. Does this make it flawed, erroneous or whatever? Maybe and maybe not. The important thing is that if it works for you, it it speaks to you, and it somehow makes your life better without harming the rights of others, then what does it matter?

 

[Kutte]

Goinheix,

In reference to your question:
"Can you explain the obsenities and wightcraft?"

Answer,

Regarding witchcraft:
Genesis 2:21-22
"Then the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and took one of his ribs and closed up the place from which he had removed it, and made the rib into a woman, and brought her to the man."

Also see: Jesus walking on water and more.

Vulgar and obscene:
Genesis 19:4-8
A group of sexually depraved men demands that Lot turn over to them his two male visitors. Lot offers his two virgin daughters instead.

Genesis 38:9
Onan "spills his seed" on the ground rather than fulfill his obligation to his widowed sister-in-law to father a child by her.

EZ 4:12
"And thou shall eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the Lord said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread..."


Care for more?

Kutte