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The one from Corinthians.
2 Corinthians 10:3-6? No, I didn't.
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; )"
You CAN experience strongholds in your mind due to lust (SEXUAL lust, that is).
Look at the men that struggle with inappropriate contentography. You can't fight inappropriate contentography
physically. It's an addiction that's in the mind.
"Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled."
Continuing using inappropriate contentography as an example... the man has to cast down and bring
that imagination (thought) captive to the obedience of Christ because it's a thought
that would try to exalt itself against what the word of God speaks against. That was
my point and it was quoted in context.
The weapons of our warfare are mighty in Christ Jesus to pull down strongholds
("stongholds," plural-- meaning ANY and ALL strongholds; not just one). Whether
it's sexual lust, a lust for material things, etc.
Melethiel said:You completely missed my point. I wasn't talking about doing "everything but" - you could never even touch a guy, and still be "impure". Purity is about more than what you do physically.
I know that. All sin is impure. You're not teaching me anything new.
I'm talking about one aspect of purity-- sexual purity.
I also know that lust ranges from sexual lust to a lust for material things.
To clarify, so I'm no longer scrutinized, I am talking about sexual lust and
sexual purity.
Melethiel said:Let's look at the entire passage, shall we?
2Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, 3for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. 4And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
5If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. 6But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. 7For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
9Let the lowly brother boast in his exaltation, 10and the rich in his humiliation, because like a flower of the grass he will pass away. 11For the sun rises with its scorching heat and withers the grass; its flower falls, and its beauty perishes. So also will the rich man fade away in the midst of his pursuits.
12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him. 13Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death
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16Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change. 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
It's talking about testing of your faith. Way to pull something out of context.
Agaaaaain, this was not quoted out of context.
Paul said, "Trials of VARIOUS kinds." It's most definitely a trial to maintain
sexual purity in your mind. It can be easy to maintain it physically, but
in your heart, it can be very difficult; and God looks on the heart.
Now, I'm not saying that God sends "trials." It's clearly stated by Paul in
verses 13-14 that He doesn't tempt us with any evil thing; but we're to
count it joy when we encounter temptation and overcome it because we
will be rewarded with "the crown of life."
Now the point I was making in quoting that verse is that when we dwell
on lustful thoughts (to be clear, I mean sexual lust), it causes use to
desire what we are lusting for (conceiving lust-- you can't see something
that has just been conceived); and when you continue in dwelling on
these lustful thoughts rather than casting them down and bringing them
into captivity to the obedience of Christ (2 Cor. 10:3-6), ultimately, you
can find yourself committing the sin you've been dwelling on.
Look, I think this debate stemmed from the way I agreed with Sunset2009.
I shouldn't have posted -> "" at the end of my stating that I agreed with
her. I think that's what caused you to feel the need to defend yourself,
so I apologize. But, I do agree with what she said and stand by the rest
of my posts.
I'm not condemning you for what you believe. I'm just stating what the
bible says about it and how it applies to my life, my relationship with God,
and my future husband.
I, by no means, thought (or think) that I am better than you or more
"pure" than you. I never even insinuated that. All I did was state what I
believe, posted the scriptures to reinforce my belief, and try to
encourage the OP.
I would even go so far as to say that purity has NOTHING to do with being physical with somebody sexually. If you sin, then you are not being pure. It doesn't matter if this sin is having sex before marriage, committing adultery, lying, treating somebody unkindly...Its a sin and sin is what makes us impure. When we become baptized we are PURIFIED from ALL sin, not just sexual sin.
This just feeds the idea that sex is dirty, and wrong. No, its not dirty, and its not wrong! Sex is a wonderful gift that God gave us sex to enjoy, He just said that we can only enjoy it within a marriage. If you disobey that commandment, its a sin just like if you break any other of His laws. Sin is what is dirty and impure, NOT sex.
No no no no, sex is NOT impure or dirty! I agree!
It's beautiful when it's between two people who have made a covenant
before God to spend the rest of their lives together (within the confines
of marriage).
Sex is only impure and dirty when it is done OUTSIDE of marriage.
Sin is impure. Sex outside of marriage (fornication) is sin.
That being said, yes, it does have to do with purity because it is a sin.
I'm not saying that purity is alllllllllll about refraining from sexual activity.
I actually never said that, so I don't understand why almost everyone
in here is under that impression. o__o?
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