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That's awesome!! I get so excited when Christian's are so serious about being righteous :) It's SO fantastic that you guys are refraining from kissing, it's awesome. Keep it up!

I've been in a courtship for a while now and one thing I have had a lot of trouble with is my thoughts, which kind of triggers everything else... it really, really helps when we can get our thoughts under control!

I learned to have the same boundaries in my mind as I do physically. So pretty much, we've decided there will be no kissing = I'm not going to imagine kissing him. You may already do this, but if not, it's so helpful to get that in our heads when we're young and courting! (Let your girl know that one too because us girls need to be careful with our romantic imaginations!)

Now, the ONLY way 'I've' found it possible to refrain from kissing him in my thoughts (or out of them) is purely though the help of the Holy Spirit, because I CAN'T do it on my own. Personally, I prayed this prayer "Lord, please put my sexual desires back to sleep, they are not suppose to have awaken yet" ... and he turned off my sexual desires. It was AMAZING! God is amazing!

But the thing I have to be really careful of is that it awakens again if I overstep my boundaries ('too much' hugging etc.) or start getting slack with not watching 'romantic' scenes in movies - that's a killer, always shut your eyes and block your ears - and I have to repent AGAIN which is not good. So I'm learning not to go there.

Yeah so that might help with the sex drive too, really seek God to put it to sleep until you get married. And don't be worried it wont come back, like I was (silly me), I'm pretty sure it will awaken again easy on your wedding night!

Keep it up!! Don't know if that helped at all but hey, I gotta give it a try!


Amen, girl! I'm in total agreement!
The first battle for purity is the one in your mind!

2 Corinthians 10:3-6,
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the
pulling down of strong holds; )
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the
knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of
Christ; And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience
is fulfilled."

Purity isn't something that we can achieve on our own. It's achieved through
Jesus and relying on the help of the Holy Spirit. =)






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I know this is an old thread, but someone revived it, and I wanted to reply to this post, so I shall.
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If it took something physical for you to figure out he was the "right guy," then... honestly that's a little sad. Because relationships are not about the physical. Yes, it is an important part of marriage, but really, physical stuff should not be a contributing factor to if someone is "right" for you or not. I mean, how does one judge that anyway? He was the perfect kisser? I don't get it.

In my next relationship, I would be more than happy if all the physical stuff was left out of it until marriage. I've gone too far physically before, and honestly, that's all the relationships started revolving around. Pleasing our physical desires. I mean, I really didn't even like the last guy romantically. o_O

Connecting emotionally (not too much, too fast though, of course) and really growing spiritually together and testing your compatibility should be the main focuses in a relationship. Nothing at all physical.

I was thinking the same thing. :D
 
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If it's a romantic relationship, there has to be a physical component to it. A relationship without a physical component is a "friendship". You can be as emotionally and spiritually intimate as you want - if there's no physical attraction, a marriage is doomed to fail. Do you really want to wait until you marry to find out there's zero attraction?

I'm not saying a relationship should be ONLY physical - obviously, spiritual and emotional compatibility is very important. But it's a necessary part of it.

Just because you choose to abstain from physical stuff until you're at a certain point in a relationship, does not mean that you are not attracted to the other person physically. Not at all. So I don't know where you were going with the "if there's no physical attraction" jumbo.

People need to learn to get past the physical stuff. Learn that there is so much more to a real connection than that, and really, it should not come into play (and doesn't need to come into play) until marriage. Way too many times do relationships start revolving around the physical. People too often mistaken a good kiss for a deep, emotional connection. Too often mistaken lust, for love. And if you just take that aspect out of it until marriage, I think the lot of us would be much better off.

I've been in relationships. I've kissed guys. I know what it's like. I had a really deep, emotional connection with this one guy... we were best friends, it was like we were one in the same. We didn't do anything physical until well into our relationship, and our relationship never "suffered" when we weren't doing anything physical. In fact, our relationship didn't take a nose-dive (along with my thoughts) until after we kissed, cuddled, etc.

And if you love someone enough to marry them, THAT ATTRACTION IS ALREADY THERE. If someone sucks at kissing... baby, you have the whole rest of your life to practice with your husband/wife freely and without consequence.

You can argue until the sun goes down that a relationship before marriage "needs" the physical component to stay alive and healthy and blah blah blah. But it is just not true.
 
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Where did you get the idea that just because I said a physical component is necessary, I don't think that "there is so much more to a real connection", or that my relationship "revolves around the physical"?

I'm in a long-distance relationship. The kissing happens maybe once every 3 months. QED.
 
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Where did you get the idea that just because I said a physical component is necessary, I don't think that "there is so much more to a real connection", or that my relationship "revolves around the physical"?

I'm in a long-distance relationship. The kissing happens maybe once every 3 months. QED.

I was speaking very generally. Just trying to point out that a physical component is indeed not necessary, and the benefits of that (ie, focusing on the emotional, spiritual and compatible levels rather than anything physical).
 
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Ok, I'm seeing people in this thread pushing off their opinions on why this
guy SHOULD kiss his girlfriend.
He didn't ask your opinion on kissing, he asked for advice on how to
abstain from it. I'm not one to up and say something like this, but
in my humble opinion, if you have no advice or encouragement to offer
this young man, your opinion is irrelevant.

I don't know whether you're new to the internet, but the thing basically consists of irrelevant opinions and pornography. If you want polite, topical conversation, go have tea with the Queen, Mr. Fancypants.

I was thinking the same thing.
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In this entire thread, I don't think anyone over the age of 21 holds this opinion. That anyone holds this opinion, despite the factual evidence opposing it and the lack of scripture to support it, I find utterly baffling. I can only conclude that those who hold this opinion have never been in a serious adult relationship, and it is this lack of applicable experience, combined with the bizarre overemphasis on purity that Luther mentioned, that results in such an opinion.
 
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I don't know whether you're new to the internet, but the thing basically consists of irrelevant opinions and pornography. If you want polite, topical conversation, go have tea with the Queen, Mr. Fancypants.

I'm not talking about the internet as a whole, I'm talking about this thread.
I'm saying that your opinions do not coincide with the topic of this thread.
Telling him why he should kiss before marriage is absolutely ridiculous
when he asked for advice on how to abstain from it.

It'd be like you posting a thread asking for a recipe for bread and then
a handful of people decide that you don't need bread-- you need chicken
noodle soup.

...And! It's MISS Fancypants, thank you very much. :p


The Nihilist said:
In this entire thread, I don't think anyone over the age of 21 holds this opinion.

This matters because...? o_O

The Nihilist said:
That anyone holds this opinion, despite the factual evidence opposing it and the lack of scripture to support it, I find utterly baffling.

I can give more scripture if you'd like, but it would seem to be in vain
seeing as how you're an atheist.
Also, the "factual evidence" you offer comes from scientific "experts" who
believe we evolved from pond scum and that there is no ultimate purpose
for human life. So, I could care less about their "findings."


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I can only conclude that those who hold this opinion have never been in a serious adult relationship, and it is this lack of applicable experience, combined with the bizarre overemphasis on purity that Luther mentioned, that results in such an opinion.


Your conclusion is wrong.


Videos:

YouTube - Chicago Couple Wedding Day First Kiss

^ These people waited for three years.


YouTube - "FIRST KISS"


Articles:
Wedding day kiss will be couple's first
First kiss on their wedding day! (Best story)

These were all adults who saved their first kiss for their wedding days.
If you need more, go type "first kiss wedding day" in google.

If you don't mind my asking, what is SO wrong about about saving your
first kiss? How does saving your first kiss and your virginity for your
future spouse negatively impact a relationship or your body?
 
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The only Scripture you gave was pulled completely out of context and has nothing to do with this topic. It's also purely your opinion that not kissing = purity, or that kissing is somehow "impure". ("Purity" is somewhat idolized too...you can be a complete virgin and still be impure.)

All the Bible is clear about is that fornication is wrong. No word about kissing, and kissing is certainly not guaranteed to lead to sex. You're free not to do it if you so wish (although I maintain that it's a bad idea), but don't try to make yourself out as somehow more committed to "purity" than others.
 
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I agree that kissing before marriage is not unbiblical. Kissing is not sinning. I'm just coming from the side of... for me, I know where it leads and so it's best to refrain. And no, that doesn't mean that I'm not actually in a romantic relationship with this person, and that we're only friends. You can pursue someone's heart without being physical.
 
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The only Scripture you gave was pulled completely out of context and has nothing to do with this topic.

Which one? 1 Timothy 5:1-2? The one that talks about treating your
sisters in Christ with all purity? How did I pull that out of context?


Melethiel said:
It's also purely your opinion that not kissing = purity, or that kissing is somehow "impure". ("Purity" is somewhat idolized too...you can be a complete virgin and still be impure.)

I'm aware that there are people that do "everything" but have technical
sex. According to the bible, that "everything but technical sex," IS sex.
I'll quote the scripture again, Matthew 5:28:
"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust
after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

I know I'm just a little inexperienced virgin girl, but I have a brain capable
of putting 2 and 2 together. It's impossible to do "everything" but have
technical sex and still not want to have sex.
In God's eyes, it's fornication. God looks on the heart.


Melethiel said:
All the Bible is clear about is that fornication is wrong. No word about kissing, and kissing is certainly not guaranteed to lead to sex. You're free not to do it if you so wish (although I maintain that it's a bad idea)...

I'll agree with that. Yes, the bible is crystal clear on fornication.
The bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not kiss until marriage."
In fact! The bible says to greet one another with a holy kiss!

But, what I'm talking about is sensual kissing. By common knowledge, men
are easily aroused. If you arouse a man (and he arouses you), it causes
lustful thoughts, which goes back to Matthew 5:28.
True, kissing doesn't necessarily always lead to sex, but it does cause
lustful thoughts (at least on the guy's part) and "Then when lust hath
conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth
forth death." James 1:15

Melethiel said:
...but don't try to make yourself out as somehow more committed to "purity" than others.

I never thought or implied that, so don't accuse me of implying that I was
more commited to purity than others just because we have a difference
of opinion.
I just stand by what I know is the truth and won't let anyone try to
convince me otherwise. There's a huge difference.
 
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Which one? 1 Timothy 5:1-2? The one that talks about treating your
sisters in Christ with all purity? How did I pull that out of context?


The one from Corinthians.

I'm aware that there are people that do "everything" but have technical
sex. According to the bible, that "everything but technical sex," IS sex.
I'll quote the scripture again, Matthew 5:28:
"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust
after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

I know I'm just a little inexperienced virgin girl, but I have a brain capable
of putting 2 and 2 together. It's impossible to do "everything" but have
technical sex and still not want to have sex.
In God's eyes, it's fornication. God looks on the heart.


You completely missed my point. I wasn't talking about doing "everything but" - you could never even touch a guy, and still be "impure". Purity is about more than what you do physically.

True, kissing doesn't necessarily always lead to sex, but it does cause
lustful thoughts (at least on the guy's part) and "Then when lust hath
conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth
forth death." James 1:15


Let's look at the entire passage, shall we?

2(E) Count it all joy, my brothers,[b] when you meet trials(F) of various kinds, 3for you know that(G) the testing of your faith(H) produces steadfastness. 4And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be(I) perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. 5(J) If any of you lacks wisdom,(K) let him ask God,(L) who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. 6But(M) let him ask in faith,(N) with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like(O) a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. 7For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8(P) he is a double-minded man,(Q) unstable in all his ways.
9Let the lowly brother boast in his exaltation, 10and(R) the rich in his humiliation, because(S) like a flower of the grass[c] he will pass away. 11For the sun rises with its scorching heat and(T) withers the grass; its flower falls, and its beauty perishes. So also will the rich man fade away in the midst of his pursuits.
12(U) Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive(V) the crown of life,(W) which God has promised to those who love him. 13Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15Then desire(X) when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and(Y) sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
16Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17(Z) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from(AA) the Father of lights(AB) with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.[d] 18(AC) Of his own will he(AD) brought us forth by the word of truth,(AE) that we should be a kind of(AF) firstfruits of his creatures.


It's talking about testing of your faith. Way to pull something out of context.
 
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I would even go so far as to say that purity has NOTHING to do with being physical with somebody sexually. If you sin, then you are not being pure. It doesn't matter if this sin is having sex before marriage, committing adultery, lying, treating somebody unkindly...Its a sin and sin is what makes us impure. When we become baptized we are PURIFIED from ALL sin, not just sexual sin.

This just feeds the idea that sex is dirty, and wrong. No, its not dirty, and its not wrong! Sex is a wonderful gift that God gave us sex to enjoy, He just said that we can only enjoy it within a marriage. If you disobey that commandment, its a sin just like if you break any other of His laws. Sin is what is dirty and impure, NOT sex.
 
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[/size][/color][/font]The one from Corinthians.



[/size][/color][/font]You completely missed my point. I wasn't talking about doing "everything but" - you could never even touch a guy, and still be "impure". Purity is about more than what you do physically.



[/size][/color][/font]Let's look at the entire passage, shall we?

2(E) Count it all joy, my brothers,[b] when you meet trials(F) of various kinds, 3for you know that(G) the testing of your faith(H) produces steadfastness. 4And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be(I) perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. 5(J) If any of you lacks wisdom,(K) let him ask God,(L) who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him. 6But(M) let him ask in faith,(N) with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like(O) a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. 7For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8(P) he is a double-minded man,(Q) unstable in all his ways.
9Let the lowly brother boast in his exaltation, 10and(R) the rich in his humiliation, because(S) like a flower of the grass[c] he will pass away. 11For the sun rises with its scorching heat and(T) withers the grass; its flower falls, and its beauty perishes. So also will the rich man fade away in the midst of his pursuits.
12(U) Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive(V) the crown of life,(W) which God has promised to those who love him. 13Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God," for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. 14But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15Then desire(X) when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and(Y) sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.
16Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. 17(Z) Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from(AA) the Father of lights(AB) with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change.[d] 18(AC) Of his own will he(AD) brought us forth by the word of truth,(AE) that we should be a kind of(AF) firstfruits of his creatures.


It's talking about testing of your faith. Way to pull something out of context.


You are simply looking for a way to walk that thin line, Miss Missy. There are many points to these scriptures and what was quoted was that sin is conceived through lust of the flesh. Are you saying that refraining from sexual activity isn't a test of your faith??? I am telling ya, kissing is sexual activity and refraining is a TEST! You are allowing your opinion to get in the way of what God is saying here and you are persecuting a sister in Christ because she has chosen to save her first kiss and her virginity for marriage and you obviously don't have the self control to do the same ( by your own admission and your own choice). This is why it angers you so much that she has made a stand. Out of a heart of love for God and her future husband, she has chosen to reserve all that she has for the man that she will give herself to, body and soul, in the sight of God.

I find it difficult to believe that you have even read that passage of scripture until today, and your only reason for doing so was to be a sarcastic, critical individual that can't take it that there is someone out there that is doing what you haven't been able to do because you allow the lust of your flesh to determine what you will or will not obey in the word of God. No, kissing isn't labeled as sin in the bible - but lust is. I am here to testify... along with my husband, that when you share a deep and intimate kiss you wanna get it on. :)
Anyone who says any different is a BIG FAT LIAR!
Can I get a witness???
 
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You're madly in love but forbidden to kiss her? That's the saddest thing I've ever heard of!

If I were you, I'd re-evaulate my priorities.

If he's so mature and so madly in love with her, let him marry her now.
Otherwise it is simply lust. If he can't hold out... it's just lust and nothing more.
If you say that you love someone and yet you cause them to stumble by creating an atmosphere of lust, you don't love them. Jesus said that sexual lust is the SAME thing as the act of sex.
Kissing arouses men... Do you deny this? Can you actually deny that when you have a big, fat, wet one laid on you that you don't get sexually aroused???
That would be causing your brother or sister to stumble and to commit sexual sin.
 
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If he's so mature and so madly in love with her, let him marry her now.
Otherwise it is simply lust. If he can't hold out... it's just lust and nothing more.
If you say that you love someone and yet you cause them to stumble by creating an atmosphere of lust, you don't love them. Jesus said that sexual lust is the SAME thing as the act of sex.
Kissing arouses men... Do you deny this? Can you actually deny that when you have a big, fat, wet one laid on you that you don't get sexually aroused???
That would be causing your brother or sister to stumble and to commit sexual sin.

Maybe someone just has a lot of libido.

My husband and I were in a long distance relationship and as such when we saw each other we kissed quite a bit. But it didn't go past kissing and actually, talking to him it didn't make him sexually aroused either.

Yes, if certain types of physical activity cause someone in the relationship to stumble into lust, don't do it. But the line is not the same for everyone.
 
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You are simply looking for a way to walk that thin line, Miss Missy.
The moniker is "Mel", thanks

There are many points to these scriptures and what was quoted was that sin is conceived through lust of the flesh. Are you saying that refraining from sexual activity isn't a test of your faith???
1) "Flesh" throughout Paul's writings meaning "sinful nature", not literally "flesh". Sure, sexual sin may be somebody's weak point, but that is not universally true.
2) No, not really. A test of my self-control maybe, but not my faith.

I am telling ya, kissing is sexual activity and refraining is a TEST! You are allowing your opinion to get in the way of what God is saying here and you are persecuting a sister in Christ because she has chosen to save her first kiss and her virginity for marriage and you obviously don't have the self control to do the same ( by your own admission and your own choice).
Persecuting? Oh please. For one, I wasn't the one that started the conversation - I was the one attacked for not holding to the same puritanical level of "purity".

Since this is an issue that is nowhere directly addressed in Scripture, she's free to do whatever she wants, as long as she doesn't try to force it on others.
I think the doctrine of Christian Freedom applies here, as Paul lays out. If I am around someone who was raised to believe kissing was a grave sin, and their faith would be damaged by me doing it around them, then sure, I wouldn't do it. But if someone condemns me for kissing and claims that it is sinful, well then, I may just have to share a giant smooch right in front of them.

This is why it angers you so much that she has made a stand. Out of a heart of love for God and her future husband, she has chosen to reserve all that she has for the man that she will give herself to, body and soul, in the sight of God.
Angers? *laughs* You're going to have to work on your mind-reading skills.

I find it difficult to believe that you have even read that passage of scripture until today, and your only reason for doing so was to be a sarcastic, critical individual that can't take it that there is someone out there that is doing what you haven't been able to do because you allow the lust of your flesh to determine what you will or will not obey in the word of God.
You may want to examine yourself there. You're breaking the 8th Commandment.

No, kissing isn't labeled as sin in the bible - but lust is. I am here to testify... along with my husband, that when you share a deep and intiProxy-Connection: keep-alive Cache-Control: max-age=0 te kiss you wanna get it on. :)
Anyone who says any different is a BIG FAT LIAR!
Can I get a witness???
Perhaps that's true for you. Some people actually have self control - no, when I have a deep, intimate kiss, I don't always want to "get it on". Call me a liar if you want, but that's the truth.
 
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I'm not talking about the internet as a whole, I'm talking about this thread.
I'm saying that your opinions do not coincide with the topic of this thread.
Telling him why he should kiss before marriage is absolutely ridiculous
when he asked for advice on how to abstain from it.

However, the same is true for your posts, as well. Perhaps another topic should be started that discuss the reasons why it is or isn't wrong to kiss before marriage.

For the record, about the whole arousal thing, sometimes I can't even look at my fiancé without getting a little excited. So where to draw the line?

Sexual attraction for someone is not wrong. There are different points for people that cause them to cross over into a lust-centered relationship.

Overall I believe the Bible is very clear about what is and is not sin. I don't really understand why people argue about these kind of things that aren't spelled out specifically in the Bible. God does not want His commandments to be a secret from us. He wants us to KNOW what is sin and to refrain from it. And for issues where we have to make decisions based on something that isn't spelled out directly in scripture, we have the Holy Spirit for guidance as well as commands about the attitudes we are to have toward others (love, patience, etc.) to give us guidance on what kind of behavior is wise.
 
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The moniker is "Mel", thanks


1) "Flesh" throughout Paul's writings meaning "sinful nature", not literally "flesh". Sure, sexual sin may be somebody's weak point, but that is not universally true.
2) No, not really. A test of my self-control maybe, but not my faith.


Persecuting? Oh please. For one, I wasn't the one that started the conversation - I was the one attacked for not holding to the same puritanical level of "purity".

Since this is an issue that is nowhere directly addressed in Scripture, she's free to do whatever she wants, as long as she doesn't try to force it on others.
I think the doctrine of Christian Freedom applies here, as Paul lays out. If I am around someone who was raised to believe kissing was a grave sin, and their faith would be damaged by me doing it around them, then sure, I wouldn't do it. But if someone condemns me for kissing and claims that it is sinful, well then, I may just have to share a giant smooch right in front of them.


Angers? *laughs* You're going to have to work on your mind-reading skills.


You may want to examine yourself there. You're breaking the 8th Commandment.


Perhaps that's true for you. Some people actually have self control - no, when I have a deep, intimate kiss, I don't always want to "get it on". Call me a liar if you want, but that's the truth.


I don't have to 'control' myself with my own husband. :)
First of all, I am a 37 year old wife and mother of 3 and I have been a born again christian longer than you have been on this planet. I do believe that you need to address me with some respect... according to scripture.
1 Timothy 5:1-2
Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;
The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.

I have simply and in all honesty given you some food for thought...
Titus 2:3-5
The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

chaste: purity or virginity, morality with respect to sexual relations.

8th Commandment
Exodus 20:15
Thou shalt not steal.
How did I steal from you???


2 Timothy 2:22
Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.



1 Corinthians 6:18
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

I didn't say that kissing is a sin... But it can lead to sin.
I noticed that you said that, and I quote, "when I have a deep, intimate kiss, I don't always want to 'get it on.'"

Here, by your own admission, you said that on occassion you want to 'get it on' when you kiss. Remember... Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks!
Luke 6:45
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.



Last... I think we all love our brothers, sisters, parents and cousins, etc...
When was the last time you felt the need to run up to them and express your love for them with a big fat wet one? Intimate kissing is reserved for the marital relationship... it is a form of foreplay... foreplay is the introduction to seduction.
 
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