How the Ark was ventilated.

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Are you saying Ye Arke would smell like fermenting socks?

Far worse. More like a combination of a chicken coop and manure pit on a humid summer day.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Very large wooden ships have been built. They respond to swells by "hogging" that is, as they pass over a swell the bow and stern drop, and as they pass over a trough they "sag", which is to say that the bow and stern rise. The seams work open even in calm seas, so that the pumps have to keep going constantly and even in moderately rough seas they take on so much water as to be in constant danger of sinking.

That's one kind of hogging and sagging ("dynamic"). The other kind is the effect due to the center of the ship being more buoyant than the stern or bow. The strength of wood alone for a hypothetical 500 foot hull will not compensate for this stress, and seams will open up and Ye Arke gets permanently ventilated.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

That's one kind of hogging and sagging ("dynamic"). The other kind is the effect due to the center of the ship being more buoyant than the stern or bow. The strength of wood alone for a hypothetical 500 foot hull will not compensate for this stress, and seams will open up and Ye Arke gets permanently ventilated.

At least it wouldn't smell like s**t for long after that.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

At least it wouldn't smell like s**t for long after that.

No, you'd get that Fresh Sea Breeze scent.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

Far worse. More like a combination of a chicken coop and manure pit on a humid summer day.

Like the Augean Stables after the Barnum & Bailey Circus rested there for a month.

 

[Delphiki]

God simply replenished the cabins with fresh air, constantly created ex nihilo and granted the gopher wood with exceptional load-bearing properties. God also made the ark bigger on the inside than on the outside, like the TARDIS, to fit all the animals. God also wiped clean any evidence of there ever being a global flood -- why? There has to be no reason, for our feeble human minds can't conceive of God's reasoning.

There you go. All or none.

 

[AV1611VET]

God simply replenished the cabins with fresh air, constantly created ex nihilo and granted the gopher wood with exceptional load-bearing properties. God also made the ark bigger on the inside than on the outside, like the TARDIS, to fit all the animals. God also wiped clean any evidence of there ever being a global flood -- why? There has to be no reason, for our feeble human minds can't conceive of God's reasoning.

There you go. All or none.

Not bad -- not bad at all -- (minus a couple glitches).

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Not bad -- not bad at all -- (minus a couple glitches).

See, all you needs is the bibles and a fanciful imaginations, and anythings can possible.

 

[Delphiki]

See, all you needs is the bibles and a fanciful imaginations, and anythings can possible.

Or is it Toki I'm picturing...




If I knew it was that easy, I'd have created a poe sock puppet account.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And where did you learn nautical engineering?
Very large wooden ships have been built. They respond to swells by "hogging" that is, as they pass over a swell the bow and stern drop, and as they pass over a trough they "sag", which is to say that the bow and stern rise. Then the bow will be roling one way and the stern another. Planks twist and buckle. The seams work open even in calm seas, so that the pumps have to keep going constantly and even in moderately rough seas they take on so much water as to be in constant danger of sinking.

I think you are using experiences relating to ships and applying them to the ark. Not the same structure, and surely not the same weather and sea conditions. An ever rising directional flood is not the same as wind driven waves and ocean currents.

 

[Nathan Poe]

That's one kind of hogging and sagging ("dynamic"). The other kind is the effect due to the center of the ship being more buoyant than the stern or bow. The strength of wood alone for a hypothetical 500 foot hull will not compensate for this stress, and seams will open up and Ye Arke gets permanently ventilated.

Which solves the "ventilation" problem right there! Now, to deal with the "sinking" problem...

 

[Nathan Poe]

Not bad -- not bad at all -- (minus a couple glitches).

Be honest, AV -- the only glitch you see in it all is that you didn't think of it.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I think you are using experiences relating to ships and applying them to the ark. Not the same structure, and surely not the same weather and sea conditions. An ever rising directional flood is not the same as wind driven waves and ocean currents.

You're absolutely correct -- it would be exponentially worse than anything ever experienced at sea.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

I think you are using experiences relating to ships and applying them to the ark. Not the same structure, and surely not the same weather and sea conditions. An ever rising directional flood is not the same as wind driven waves and ocean currents.

Have you ever been to sea?

That's a rhetorical question.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

You're absolutely correct -- it would be exponentially worse than anything ever experienced at sea.

Flash floods -- directional, ever rising, and about as turbulent as anything ever gets.

Except a winter north Atlantic storm.

 

[howlingwolf]

A 'structure' of that size and weight would be unaffected by even large swells. It would be able to absorb huge amounts of energy released against it.

Like the Edmund Fitzgerald?
wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald
She was over 700 feet long (a bit longer than the ark), over 26,000 tons and was made of steel, not wood. On 10 November 1975, during a storm on Lake Superior, she sank in less than 10 minutes, taking her crew of 29 with her to the bottom.

Howlingwolf

 

[granpa]

it is thought that she struck bottom

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Like the Edmund Fitzgerald?
wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Edmund_Fitzgerald
She was over 700 feet long (a bit longer than the ark), over 26,000 tons and was made of steel, not wood. On 10 November 1975, during a storm on Lake Superior, she sank in less than 10 minutes, taking her crew of 29 with her to the bottom.

Howlingwolf

The E.F. encountered huge waves with a very long 'wavelength'. The ark floated in 'flatwater': no waves, no swells.

 

[Delphiki]

...The ark floated in 'flatwater': no waves, no swells.

Do you believe this because it says so in the bible, there's physical evidence of this, or because it's the only thing you can think of to explain why the ark didn't sink?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you believe this because it says so in the bible, there's physical evidence of this, or because it's the only thing you can think of to explain why the ark didn't sink?

The bible says the ark was on the flood for the whole event, therefore the ark was on top of the water for the whole event. Consult meteorologists for the rest. Feed in the data from the bible and see what comes out.