How the Ark was ventilated.

[Targ]

It is -- I just didn't want to repeat myself again.

The [imagined] problem with space on the Ark, as I have said before, can easily be explained in one of two major ways:

1. The Ark was a TARDIS* booth.
2. Only a handful of [now extinct] animals boarded it.

* Time And Relative Dimensions In Space

Good grief, AVET, I was only joking a few weeks ago when I said that the ark could have been like the Tardis to fit all the animals inside it. I can't believe you're actually seriously considering this.

 

[AV1611VET]

Good grief, AVET, I was only joking a few weeks ago when I said that the ark could have been like the Tardis to fit all the animals inside it. I can't believe you're actually seriously considering this.

Yes, I figured you were -- but the Bible does indeed mention 4 dimensions of space: 211 -- and some time ago, I mentioned the Ark as possibly being a containment vessel with another dimension of space -- (I can't find the post right not).

So you may have been joking, but I'm not.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Yes, I figured you were -- but the Bible does indeed mention 4 dimensions of space: 211

directions =/= dimensions. Nice fail, AV.

-- and some time ago, I mentioned the Ark as possibly being a containment vessel with another dimension of space -- (I can't find the post right not).

So you may have been joking, but I'm not.

Still doesn't explain Noah's complete waste of time.

 

[Tiberius]

That's not what he said, though.

He said we have evidence the earth is older than 6000 years.

And he realises that "Older than" means the same thing as "Has existed for longer than." Just because you hace weird ideas about a difference between the two doesn't mean everyone else has.

I could go either way on this:

1. I could agree that you have evidence it does; just like you had evidence that Pluto was a planet, Thalidomide was a wonder drug, and Phlogiston was liquid heat.
2. I could claim you don't have evidence.

Ah, but we are talking about evidence from observation. As in, "We observe such-and-such in reality, and the best explanation for it is this." That doesn't apply to Pluto (because it was an arbitrary choice to say Pluto was a planet due to the lack of a proper definition), Thalomide was a wonder drug (due to lack of knowlesdge about its effects), and phlogiston (due to empirical testing disproving it, and really, could you come up with another ridiculously outmoded idea?).

Either keep looking, or agree that God cleaned it up.

Or reach the conclusion after investigations reveal no evidence that it occured. You know, investigating that thing called "reality".

So you're basically saying that God should have left some evidence behind?

Well, He did -- written Documentation and stockpiled coccolithophores.

With God, nothing was impossible concerning the Flood.

So, lemme get this straight...

God covered the world with water. Then he removed all evidence that it ever happened, then put things that would be IMPOSSIBLE if it ever happened, so that any investigation of reality would indicate that such a flood never happened.

But then, it was so important for us that we know about it that he put it in the Bible?

So, if it was that important that humans know it happen ed, why did he make sure that each and every trace other than what was written in the Bible was removed?

It's called cleaning up.

Or maybe it's because the flood never actually happened.

That's why God stated the Flood did happen.

As I said before, if God wanted us to know so bad, why did he remove all the physical evidence?

Creationism has nothing to do with the Flood; and if God was a 'liar' -- believe me -- you wouldn't know it.

Then I'll put it another way.

God saying in the Bible that events happened despite an investigation of the world indicating that they did not happen (such as the flood) means either reality or God is a liar.

God saying in the Bible that events did NOT happen despite an investigation of the universe indicating that they DID (such as the age of the cosmos) means either reality or your God is a liar.

If I was a liar, but wanted you to believe that I wasn't, I certainly wouldn't put it in writing -- then preserve that writing for all generations to come.

Why not? I know that if I wanted to pretend that something happened when really it didn't, I'd write a book about how it happened and how wonderful it was and then hope that the people who read it are gullible enough to believe it.

Again, you're confusing 'old earth' with the Flood.

Ah, sorry about that. Must have been all those times creationists have claimed that it was the flood that causes radiometric dating to give the appearance of an old earth.

We're changing the topic now?

Nope. We were talking about claims in the Bible contradicting evidence from reality, weren't we?

Here we go again.

I'll say this again: not if God cleaned things up.

1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

What's wrong? is the earth too tidy? did God do too thorough a job?

The earth too tidy? Geez, I woulda thought that "tidy" would have meant that all sources agree with each other.

And I'll ask you again, if God wanted us to know that the flood really happened, why did he clean it up so it looked like it never happened?

And finally, why do you think that quoting the Bible is going to convince anyone who isn't a Christian?

And how in the world do you get that quote to mean that God cleaned the world up? You speak to us about taking Bible passages in context, yet here you are quoting this passage as though it refers to God rearranging the world to make it look like the flood never happened, when the quote is from a book of the Bible that is discussing the problems and solutions to those problems in the Corinthian Church!

Practice what you preach, AV. Quote mining in order to portray a text meaning something other than what it was written to mean makes baby Jesus cry.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

...

Practice what you preach, AV. Quote mining in order to portray a text meaning something other than what it was written to mean makes baby Jesus cry.

It makes my eyes bleed.

Quote mining is a standard practice here. Big text, odd fonts, variety of colors, underscored, italicized, and unread.

 

[Nathan Poe]

So, lemme get this straight...

God covered the world with water. Then he removed all evidence that it ever happened, then put things that would be IMPOSSIBLE if it ever happened, so that any investigation of reality would indicate that such a flood never happened.

But then, it was so important for us that we know about it that he put it in the Bible?

So, if it was that important that humans know it happened, why did he make sure that each and every trace other than what was written in the Bible was removed?

And then allegedly "inspires" Paul to write such tripe as:

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

After giving all of humanity the excuse it needs to think the flood is bunk.

 

[JakeA]

Yes -- including the One Who died on one of those things that's on your flag there.

Oden believes in that tale?

Seriously, there is no way to do it, it would take a boat so big that no amount of work even with todays technology would suffice in size, not to mention all the other impossibilities regarding that story.

Now, this is just discussing the land living creatures, there are plenty of species of sweet water fish that would not survive a global flood either, so... Either intra species evolution is something you believe in or god created them afterwards or what?

All in all, nothing of this makes any sense from any standpoint unless you give up all rational thought and surrender to insanity.

 

[Cabal]

directions =/= dimensions. Nice fail, AV.

Can't spell "Tardis" without "ta..." - never mind.

 

[JakeA]

Of course he wasn't.

Were the Hebrews wasting their time marching around Jericho?

Historical evidence says they didn't do that so no.

One thing you can be pretty much certain of is that if you have learned history from the bible, you're going to have to throw almost all of it out when talking about reality.

Jews were not slaves in Egypt either, just so you know.