How the Ark was ventilated.

[AV1611VET]

Feed in the data from the bible and see what comes out.

I can tell you what will probably come out: 'Error 404'.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I can tell you what will probably come out: 'Error 404'.

Your probably right (or the system would just crash entirely).

 

[Gracchus]

The E.F. encountered huge waves with a very long 'wavelength'. The ark floated in 'flatwater': no waves, no swells.

When there is wind their will be waves. Let a fan blow over perfectly flat water and you will see waves. As the fan blows with more force, the waves will become larger.

When there is a variation of temperature there will be wind. The temperature difference between night and day will generate wind.
When warm air rises at the sub-solar point there will be wind to fill the lower surface pressure left by the rising air. Because of coriolis force the wind will rotate as it rushes toward the rising air column.

This is the process by which hurricanes form. Without land to disipate The rising moist column of air the force of the hurricane will continue to grow. Even if the ark was not near the hurricane, waves and swells would be generated. And without land to disipate the energy of the waves or the force of the wind...

Every time creationists try to make up an ad hoc explanation they raise more problems than they solve. More and more miraculous intervention is required.

So why would God not just poof all the evil persons out of existence in one big miracle rather than performs hundreds or thousands of smaller miracles? If he is going to do all those miracles anyway why drown all the innocent babes and children along with their parents?

Ah! I forgot! God is pleased with people who swear to nonsense, believe as they are told, do as they are told, and keep those dimes and dollars rolling in. (For some reason, God needs lots of money to continue his work.)

Apropos of nothing, did you know that "silly" once meant "holy" and "cretin" is simply a mispronunciation of "Christian", and the "odor of sanctity" characterized those who never bathed once they left the baptismal font?

 

[Delphiki]

The bible says the ark was on the flood for the whole event, therefore the ark was on top of the water for the whole event. Consult meteorologists for the rest. Feed in the data from the bible and see what comes out.

I'm not talking about whether it floated.. I'm talking about the part where you say there would have been no waves:

...The ark floated in 'flatwater': no waves, no swells.

Did you get that from the bible, evidence, or did you make it up to fit your argument?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Every time creationists try to make up an ad hoc explanation they raise more problems than they solve. More and more miraculous intervention is required.

You failed to mention the 'horse latitudes' which occurs around 30 degrees latitude, and runs right through the Mesopotamian Plain.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I'm not talking about whether it floated.. I'm talking about the part where you say there would have been no waves:



Did you get that from the bible, evidence, or did you make it up to fit your argument?

The doldrums of the 'horse latitudes', of course.

 

[MacNeil, D.]

The doldrums of the 'horse latitudes', of course.

Didn't you say there was something called pangea? Weather patterns depend on the geography. Why do you think there would be trade winds at the horse latitudes, or anywhere for that matter?

 

[Herman Hedning]

You failed to mention the 'horse latitudes' which occurs around 30 degrees latitude, and runs right through the Mesopotamian Plain.

Can't say I'm an expert on dead horses, but Wikipedia says the horse latitudes are "an area which receives little precipitation and has variable winds mixed with calm". Doesn't say there's no wind at all.

Or did I miss something?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Didn't you say there was something called pangea? Weather patterns depend on the geography. Why do you think there would be trade winds at the horse latitudes, or anywhere for that matter?

That was AV. If Pangea existed it was way before the flood.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The E.F. encountered huge waves with a very long 'wavelength'. The ark floated in 'flatwater': no waves, no swells.

So, the event the flooded the entire Earth as a result of 40 days nonstop of torrential rains combined bursting underground "Fountains of the deep" was perfectly calm?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Can't say I'm an expert on dead horses, but Wikipedia says the horse latitudes are "an area which receives little precipitation and has variable winds mixed with calm". Doesn't say there's no wind at all.

Or did I miss something?

High pressure and temps, calm seas (not enough wind to sail the ships) for long periods that have starved sailors. It is thought that horses that became unruly were thrown overboard to save the ship from damage and to lighten the load in hopes of moving faster. If the site of the ark was covered by the sea it would be in the 'horse latitude' of 30 degrees, therefore no wind or waves to cause it to sink (I didn't make this up. I found it on a very scientific meteorological website). The ark would then move in 'relatively calm' floodwater.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I can tell you what will probably come out: 'Error 404'.

Which often happens whenever you try to inject reality into magical thinking.

 

[Nathan Poe]

You failed to mention the 'horse latitudes' which occurs around 30 degrees latitude, and runs right through the Mesopotamian Plain.

None of which means squat in the midst of an alleged world-wide flood.

They call it "catastrophism" for a reason.

 

[AV1611VET]

Which often happens whenever you try to inject reality into magical thinking.

Wrong direction -- read his post again.

It was injecting miracles into computers.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Wrong direction -- read his post again.

It was injecting miracles into computers.

And injecting magical thinking into reality has the same effect.

But congratulations, AV -- you've made a correction (minor and insignificant as it may be). Feel free to crow about your own greatness.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

High pressure and temps, calm seas (not enough wind to sail the ships) for long periods that have starved sailors. It is thought that horses that became unruly were thrown overboard to save the ship from damage and to lighten the load in hopes of moving faster. If the site of the ark was covered by the sea it would be in the 'horse latitude' of 30 degrees, therefore no wind or waves to cause it to sink (I didn't make this up. I found it on a very scientific meteorological website). The ark would then move in 'relatively calm' floodwater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_latitudes
Horse Latitudes or Subtropical High are subtropical latitudes between 30 and 35 degrees both north and south. This region, under a ridge of high pressure called the subtropical high, is an area which receives little precipitation and has variable winds mixed with calm.

This is attempting to reason by a totally false analogy. The horse latitudes receive little precipitation not global rain for 40 days and nights, the sea is calm and not rushing over the land in a great flood.

 

[Nathan Poe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_latitudes
Horse Latitudes or Subtropical High are subtropical latitudes between 30 and 35 degrees both north and south. This region, under a ridge of high pressure called the subtropical high, is an area which receives little precipitation and has variable winds mixed with calm.

This is attempting to reason by a totally false analogy. The horse latitudes receive little precipitation not global rain for 40 days and nights, the sea is calm and not rushing over the land in a great flood.

Details, details -- once you factor in some magical thinking, the Horse lattitudes are the calmest places on Earth.

You see, what happened is, God kept His hands over the Ark the whole time, sheltering it from the rain...

(Now let's wait for a fundie to take that idea and run with it)

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Details, details -- once you factor in some magical thinking, the Horse lattitudes are the calmest places on Earth.

You see, what happened is, God kept His hands over the Ark the whole time, sheltering it from the rain...

(Now let's wait for a fundie to take that idea and run with it)

I think I have heard almost exactly that from fundies several times already over the years.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I think I have heard almost exactly that from fundies several times already over the years.

To be expected when one's "theology" is mainly:

 

[Delphiki]

The doldrums of the 'horse latitudes', of course.

You just said a moment ago that the rains were combined with rising tides to make the flood. It really doesn't matter what latitude you're at - if the water rises enough to cover the entire planet in 40 days, it will be a violently churning watery hell pretty much everywhere. Little, if anything would survive it. In fact, I think that was supposed to be the intention of the flood in the story, isn't it? What kind of logic is it that the water gently rises to save the ark, but somehow it's too violent for all other living things and even OTHER BOATS to survive it?

Why is this elementary train of thought so difficult for some people?