How Republicans are being taught to talk about Occupy Wall Street

[dlamberth]

It reminds me of something Reagan said responding to Carter's claim to feel our pain. He said he wouldn't feel our pain because he wasn't going to cause our pain, just like it would be nice if Obama didnt cause so many to be on food stamps

You know that's not true. The recession officially started in December 2007. People were loosing jobs left and right with millions going on foodstamps 2 years before Obama even took the oath of office.

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[Rion]

Feeling so blessed here that our President cares for those in need during these economic hard times. I'm wondering why others who criticize his caring are so heartless and themselves don't care for those thrown into unemployment thru no fault of their own.


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Yeah, a caring man... I honestly think the man's a sociopath. No, I don't think the guy is a serial killer. I know that hollywood loves to throw that term around willy-nilly, but antisocial or dissocial personality disorder doesn't make you a monster.

That being said, I honestly think he suffers from one or the other, or perhaps is borderline. *shrug*

 

[MachZer0]

You know that's not true. The recession officially started in December 2007. People were loosing jobs left and right with millions going on foodstamps 2 years before Obama even took the oath of office.

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We know the recession started under Bush, but we also know that nothing has been done to bring us out. That falls on Obama

 

[chaz345]

I don't have that much faith in Americans unfortunately. I think what might be lost on some of the people that hate the Occupy movement is that the point is not that "Capitalism is bad." or even "Socialism is perfect." Both are asinine ideas. Rather it's that all economic and civic structures are vunerable to corruption and the excesses of corruption is reaching a crisis point.

Maybe once they understand the problem they can speak intelligently upon it.

My bloody cynical self however is not convinced and I am half convinced it will take tragic global events to see changes.

I agree that the problem is corruption of the system. Can you agree that said corruption is not exclusively or even a majority caused by one of our parties over the other?

See that's my problem with OWS. That they are allowing themselves to be used by the Dems. The same Dems who are every bit as responsible for the broken system as the Repubs are.

 

[Harpuia]

Yeah, a caring man... I honestly think the man's a sociopath. No, I don't think the guy is a serial killer. I know that hollywood loves to throw that term around willy-nilly, but antisocial or dissocial personality disorder doesn't make you a monster.

That being said, I honestly think he suffers from one or the other, or perhaps is borderline. *shrug*

Sociopath, no. I think Gingrich far more fits the bill of a sociopath. But the way that he's had to take criticism from the conservatives and knowing the effect it can have on a sensitive psyche, borderline isn't out of the question, no. Being borderline myself anyway, I'd know.

 

[Rion]

I think Newt's more of a straight up narcissistic personality disorder.

And remember, Obama only has to have 3 of the tell-tale signs to fit. Although looking at it, he might be a narcissistic personality disorder too...

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Yeah, a caring man... I honestly think the man's a sociopath.

The office of presidency tends to draw the power hungry. People who want to rule are precisely those whose rule would be most dangerous. Bush was a great example of this too.

 

[dlamberth]

See that's my problem with OWS. That they are allowing themselves to be used by the Dems. The same Dems who are every bit as responsible for the broken system as the Repubs are.

Being involved in the Portland Occupy, believe me when I say that we DO see the Dems just as much part of the problem as the Republicans.

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[dlamberth]

We know the recession started under Bush, but we also know that nothing has been done to bring us out. That falls on Obama

What I find interesting in this is that you are the very person who hates our governments involvement in the business sector. Yet you blame Obama...who, because of his position as president, can only work within the framework of government involvement. You don't want government involvement, but you want government involvement. Aren't you a ball of confusion.

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[dlamberth]

Yeah, a caring man... I honestly think the man's a sociopath. No, I don't think the guy is a serial killer. I know that hollywood loves to throw that term around willy-nilly, but antisocial or dissocial personality disorder doesn't make you a monster.

That being said, I honestly think he suffers from one or the other, or perhaps is borderline. *shrug*

Thanks for that opening into your heart. It's interesting.

It explains why so much built up hate and hostility directed towards Obama comes out in your post here.

Where does that much distaste for Obama come from? That doesn't come out of thin air. I'm wondering about the media outlets that might cause so much hatred.

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[chaz345]

Being involved in the Portland Occupy, believe me when I say that we DO see the Dems just as much part of the problem as the Republicans.

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Then why are you letting the Dems use you to "prove" that Repubs are the problem?

Looking just as the events leading up to the current crash, facts clearly show that early on it was Repubs who were pointing out that there were big problems with Frannie and Freddy looming on the horizon and Dems were the ones resisting changed regulation. OWS people standing up and pointing that out when the accusations are made that Repubs are only out to help Wall Street would make the claim that they see Dems as being an equal part of the problem a lot more believeable. But instead what I see far more often is OWS folks parroting the Dem talking points.

 

[Rion]

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Thanks for that opening into your heart. It's interesting.

It explains why so much built up hate and hostility directed towards Obama comes out in your post here.

Where does that much distaste for Obama come from? That doesn't come out of thin air. I'm wondering about the media outlets that might cause so much hatred.

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I don't hate Obama. If anything, I kind of pity him, as he probably won't be recalled as fondly as Carter. I do have distaste for much of what he's done, but by that logic I hated Bush Jr. too. Just because I don't want to worship at his feet doesn't mean I hate him.

So where does my distaste come from? Probably the fact that I am a constitutional libertarian and he's a radical progressive. It's like asking why oil and water doesn't mix.

As for his mental state, I don't think Obama is the only one with personality disorders. As Ish said, it attracts that kind of person. Maybe if less people would put blind faith in politicians, we'd end up with better candidates.

Now you ask were the anger in my posts come from? It isn't directed at Obama, it is directed at... Others.

 

[dlamberth]

Then why are you letting the Dems use you to "prove" that Repubs are the problem?

We are unable to control what others do. A valid concern that Occupy has is the movement being hijacked by one of the political parties.

But instead what I see far more often is OWS folks parroting the Dems talking points.

What Occupy sees is that it is the Dems who are taking up "our" talking points. What the Dems seem to realize more than the Republicans do is that Occupy has a message that resonates well with a large portion of the population.

What I find interesting is even though they tend to not support the Occupy Movement, Occupy issues have become a part of the GOP debate. And that gives me hope.

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[chaz345]

We are unable to control what others do. A valid concern that Occupy has is the movement being hijacked by one of the political parties.

What Occupy sees is that it is the Dems who are taking up "our" talking points. What the Dems seem to realize more than the Republicans do is that Occupy has a message that resonates well with a large portion of the population.

What I find interesting is even though they tend to not support the Occupy Movement, Occupy issues have become a part of the GOP debate. And that gives me hope.

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So why not speak against what the Dems are saying/doing?

Plainly and simply say "hey, although these guys are saying they are against wall street, here's what they've actually done."

I'm sorry but from what I've seen OWS is far more anti-Repub than they are anti-corrupt system.

And don't kid yourself into thinking that the Dems will actually do anything that OWS is asking for. That they see that the message resonates only means that they can use it for their own purposes but in reality they are every bit as bought and owned by wall street as the Repubs are.

 

[dlamberth]

So why not speak against what the Dems are saying/doing?

First off, the target is bigger than any single political party. And if you listen to them you will hear Occupy speaking out againts the Dems just as much as the Republicans.

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[dlamberth]

I think Newt's more of a straight up narcissistic personality disorder.

There I totally agree with you!!!


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[WalksWithChrist]

Being involved in the Portland Occupy, believe me when I say that we DO see the Dems just as much part of the problem as the Republicans.

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I felt this way before OWS existed. And I know people feel the same way.

If you feel that others are sticking to one party or another, ask yourself "am I being partisan in my partisan accusation of others?"

 

[chaz345]

We are unable to control what others do. A valid concern that Occupy has is the movement being hijacked by one of the political parties.

What Occupy sees is that it is the Dems who are taking up "our" talking points. What the Dems seem to realize more than the Republicans do is that Occupy has a message that resonates well with a large portion of the population.

What I find interesting is even though they tend to not support the Occupy Movement, Occupy issues have become a part of the GOP debate. And that gives me hope.

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Did Occupiers Throw Condoms On Catholic School Girls At A Pro Life Rally? | TheBlaze.com

Hmmm, what does this have to do with both parties being responsible for financial corruption? Seems more and more that OWS is, despite what you say, a left/Dem leaning movement.

 

[Rion]

M..my thread!

 

[WalksWithChrist]

Did Occupiers Throw Condoms On Catholic School Girls At A Pro Life Rally? | TheBlaze.com

Hmmm, what does this have to do with both parties being responsible for financial corruption? Seems more and more that OWS is, despite what you say, a left/Dem leaning movement.

The article doesn't name anyone. It just makes vague reference to OWS. Protesters are not necessarily Occupiers.

I am looking for clarification.

The title of the link is actually phrased as a question.