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Amen and God Bless you and your understanding!Mustaphile said:I find the whole thing slightly hypocritical myself, don't worry.
I think homosexuality is something that people can point at and say, what they are doing is a sin. Therefore it's a good method of making themselves look holier by casting aspersions on others. I think there is even a scripture in the New Testament that talks of such behaviour. If homosexuality was an invisible sin, like some ot the others, then it would not rate a mention. We don't hear calls to have pastors who touch removed from their positions (not that I share conservative values on masturbation, but you get the idea). If its out of sight, its off the radar. I think there is even an element of fear that it might be contagious.
Others have genuine concerns based on their convictions of course, and its pretty hard to get around that.
I would hope that one day people could just accept others with open arms despite the sin and in particular the more visible sins (or perceived sins, depending on your belief on the matter)
Wonderful thought for some to ponder! God Bless You!philosopherthales said:Why isn't "thou shalt not have homosexual relations" in the group of 10 commandments? It seems that being put in this list makes a restriction more important. Though, it seems to have been less important to God to include than "thou shalt not lie". Why is homosexuality emphasized now-a-days more than lying?
Good point.creep said:peolple have a habit of picking one thing thats topical and hammering into it, like the nazi's and the jews.it gives them some anchorage,and thus something to be against. some people are never happy unless they're complaining.
and i suppose some people would take it as a personal threat on their masculinity and be intimidated by it because they don't undertand it
Amen Sister! I completely agree with you 100% although I am not quite sure why you directed your statement directly to me. Thank you though! Very well put. God Bless you!Emmy said:Dear Fate 276,more and more Christian men and women know now that we must not judge,only God judges.God sees our hearts,God knows whether we sin because we are weak,or just are blatantly disobedient.We have free will to do what we like,but there will always be a price to be paid,no matter what we choose,everything has its consequences,good deeds as well as bad ones.God loves us,and He has also given us Laws to live by(for our own good);break one of God`s Laws,and pay for it.That is God`s decree,and it stands forever.Sincere greetings from Emmy,a sister in Christ.
Wow! Is that a stretch or what?????Natman said:It IS.
"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself"
and
"Thou shalt have no God's before Me."
Sincerely in Christ,
Nate
"Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them...Do not cut the hair at the side of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Says nothing about to the priests. In Leviticus 18:29, It says that they are to be cut off from their people for unlawful sexual acts. Why do you suppose it says differently on the next page? What are we to believe? Not to mention that in the NT Jesus does not mention gays at all, as if it is not even important anymore.repentandbelieve said:The penalties for transgressing the various laws given in Leviticus differed.
Leviticus 20:13 says that men who lay together must be put to death. People who turned to mediums and spiritist were to be cut off from their people.
Leviticus 21:5 specifically points out that "preist" must not shave their heads or clip the edges of their beards.
I could be wrong, but I think that it is safe to conclude that men who shaved their heads or clipped the edges of their beards were denied preisthood and perhaps also cut off from their people.
One can try to smokescreen the issue by arguing what the different penalities were for the various laws given in Leviticus, but it's perfectly clear that homosexuality was forbidden and punishable by death. That is what we are to believe.Fate276 said:"Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them...Do not cut the hair at the side of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Says nothing about to the priests. In Leviticus 18:29, It says that they are to be cut off from their people for unlawful sexual acts. Why do you suppose it says differently on the next page? What are we to believe? Not to mention that in the NT Jesus does not mention gays at all, as if it is not even important anymore.
Show me one among us who is free of sin, and I will show you one who is in prison of denial. (Where do these quirky phrases come from????)repentandbelieve said:One can try to smokescreen the issue by arguing what the different penalities were for the various laws given in Leviticus, but it's perfectly clear that homosexuality was forbidden and punishable by death. That is what we are to believe.
When Jesus came to the aid of the aldulteress woman who was about to be stoned it did mean that He saw aldultery as being "unimportant".
My belief is, that in the eyes of God, adultery,fornication and homosexuality are all sinful acts. The homosexual is quilty of sin, just as the adulterer and fornicator is also guilty of sin.
Excuse me but what the hell are you talking about??!Natman said:If you love "your neighbor", would you do things that would willfully harm him physically and spiritually? Would you willfully inject disease and pestulance into his body in areas that are not designed to cope with it, tearing and destroying tissues and causing irreparable damage? Would you willfully reduce his average lifespan? Would you cause him to live in a lifestyle that God refers to as an "abomination"? Knowing God's position on the issue, would you continue to do it anyway, in selfish self-satisfaction, affectively placing yourself and your desires above God's, thereby making those desires your god?
BTW, this applies to both homosexual and herosexual relationships alike.
Son-cerely,
Nate
Amen sister! You got to it before I could and just saved me some time!Freedom From Ignorance said:Excuse me but what the hell are you talking about??!
I hope you aren't one of those people who blame AIDS on gays.
Anal sex does not reduce anyones life-span, in fact it helps prevent colon cancer. There is no physically irreparable damage. sounds to me like you're exxagerating something into a horrible act.
Where in the Bible does it refer to anal sex? It says lie with a man as you would a woman sure, but that could mean alot of things. And if anal sex is an abomination, then it obviously isn't refering to that, because a Christian wouldn't lie with a woman like that? Right? How bout lesbians. I see no reference to lesbians. I see people assuming way too much.
Bah, people make me sick when they sit all high and mighty shaking their heads. Everyone is selfish and horrible, and perfect holy "you" is trying to save their pitiful souls?
I think people open these threads in the hopes of luring some unsuspecting "Christian" into the topic of "homosexuality", just so that they can scream how "hateful", "high and mighty" and "intolerant" Christians are.Freedom From Ignorance said:Excuse me but what the hell are you talking about??!
I hope you aren't one of those people who blame AIDS on gays.
Anal sex does not reduce anyones life-span, in fact it helps prevent colon cancer. There is no physically irreparable damage. sounds to me like you're exxagerating something into a horrible act.
Where in the Bible does it refer to anal sex? It says lie with a man as you would a woman sure, but that could mean alot of things. And if anal sex is an abomination, then it obviously isn't refering to that, because a Christian wouldn't lie with a woman like that? Right? How bout lesbians. I see no reference to lesbians. I see people assuming way too much.
Bah, people make me sick when they sit all high and mighty shaking their heads. Everyone is selfish and horrible, and perfect holy "you" is trying to save their pitiful souls?
That is a very negative and presumptuous attitude towards those who open "these" threads. Could it be because some Christians understand it is time to stop castigating and categorizing "Gays" into this lynch mob leper colony mentality. Maybe people open these threads because they are sincerely seeking Christ.Natman said:I think people open these threads in the hopes of luring some unsuspecting "Christian" into the topic of "homosexuality", just so that they can scream how "hateful", "high and mighty" and "intolerant" Christians are.
The topic comes up frequently in Christian forums because it has been thrust into the forefront of our minds by progressive liberals that will not tolerate being told that the lifestyle that they have accepted is un-Biblical and unhealthy.
These are the US AIDS statistics from avert.org
384,784 by Men who have sex with men
209,920 by Injecting drug user
54,224 by Men who have sex with men and inject drugs
5,371 by Haemophilia/coagulation disorder
9,152 by Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue
86,258 by Other/risk not identified
100,071 by Heterosexual contact
849,780 TOTAL
"Hererosexual" contact does not exclude bisexual relations.
That's 52% of the AIDS cases related to men having sex with men. To state that there is no correlation between the AIDS epidemic and the gay lifestyle is simply "denial". This does not include the proliferation of other debhilitating social STD's and bacterial infections (including gonorrhea and syphilis), parasitical infections (gay bowel syndrome), viral infections (including HIV, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, hepatitis C and HPV [Human Papilloma Virus], anal cancer, cervical cancer, suicide, violence in the home, and mental health problems are all associated with much higher incidences among those living the homosexual lifestyle. (Journal of Sex Research (1997), Paul Van de Ven et al., documention of 2,583 homosexual profiles)
Further, like most Christians I know, I do not consider myself "holier that thou". I see myself as a "sinner" (hopefully a repentant sinner), having committed sins equally as vile or worse in the eyes of the Lord, saved only by confession through the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
I have two relatives and a close friend that are "gay". One has AIDS and is dying. The other two are dealing with advanced forms of HIV. All three know where the infections came from. All three have refused to change their lifestyle taking a "I'm dying anyway, so why bother now" attitude.
My heart cries out to all of them because of their pain, discomfort and fear as well as the pressure they have put their families. It's just sad.
Son-cerely and securely in Christ,
Nate
Buzz Dixon said:Technically, AIDS is most commonly spread by promiscuous anal intercourse. Gays just happen to engage in that sort of behavior to a far, far greater degree than heterosexuals.
It's been observed that promiscuous gay males are more likely to be far more promiscuous than heterosexuals of either sex. Heterosexual sex requires a male and a female, and it incurs the risk of pregnancy (which slows down some potential participants) and for women carries a far greater degree of emotional intimacy than it does in men, meaning on average women require more persuading that men.
In other words, promiscuous homosexual men behave exactly the same way heterosexual men would behave if heterosexual women didn't get pregnant and tended not to be interested in emotional intimacy.
As a result, promiscuous gay males tend to have more partners, which enables diseases of all types -- not just AIDS, but gonorrhea, syphillis, hepatits, herpes, veneral warts, etc. -- to spread faster. These diseases in turn provide easier avenues of access to the human body for AIDS.
By the way, I don't need ANY persuading to have sex, nor do any of my friends, whom are female. Don't believe everything you hear. That is such a stereotype. Women want it just as much as men.Buzz Dixon said:Technically, AIDS is most commonly spread by promiscuous anal intercourse. Gays just happen to engage in that sort of behavior to a far, far greater degree than heterosexuals.
It's been observed that promiscuous gay males are more likely to be far more promiscuous than heterosexuals of either sex. Heterosexual sex requires a male and a female, and it incurs the risk of pregnancy (which slows down some potential participants) and for women carries a far greater degree of emotional intimacy than it does in men, meaning on average women require more persuading that men.
In other words, promiscuous homosexual men behave exactly the same way heterosexual men would behave if heterosexual women didn't get pregnant and tended not to be interested in emotional intimacy.
As a result, promiscuous gay males tend to have more partners, which enables diseases of all types -- not just AIDS, but gonorrhea, syphillis, hepatits, herpes, veneral warts, etc. -- to spread faster. These diseases in turn provide easier avenues of access to the human body for AIDS.
Touche, just much more eloquently put than I!Neverstop said:So, If I become gay I will automatically experience urges more often? Oooh, that's scary!!
What source is there to verify that gays engage in backdoor sex "far, far more" than heteros. I don't think that's true, and I've been hetero my whole life. Many people don't realize there are many gay couples that don't have backdoor sex. The myth that all gays do that is simply heteros extrapolatating what they would do.
It is extremely disturbing to me when people say that sex for women involves much more emotion than for men. I am a straight man, and I have had my time in the dating pool, so I did 'play the part,' but all along I knew I was missing something, but was too afraid to go against the social norm. That something that was "missing" was that I needed to really "make love" and not just use the euphemism as a cheap way of assuaging my own deep seeded guilt at being aware of how I had betrayed myself.
Men and women are both human, with the same needs. To state there is a difference is to state we are different by species. Women do not need more "persuading," they are simply set up as the "gatekeepers." If a hetero man is highly sexual active with many partners he is a "Stud." If a woman equally participates she is a "Sl-t." Look at how sick, and I mean SICK, our society is towards women. Before a woman turns eighteen she cannot have sex, after that??? One day she cannot say yes, the next day, she cannot say NO.
When men display emotion they are considered weak. Sometimes I cry when I pray; how weak is that?
A weak man is one who cannot find the courage to find his Truth in God. (Just so there is no misunderstanding, this post is sent out in general terms.It is not directed at any one individual--Buzz, you just happened to repeat a lot of what many men in our society say.)
Very, very well put! You tell someone their whole lives that they are going to hell already, what is the point in trying to be moral at all. They are alreay doomed. You tell someone all their lives that they are s*it than that is exactly what they will grow up to be.Neverstop said:That is a very negative and presumptuous attitude towards those who open "these" threads. Could it be because some Christians understand it is time to stop castigating and categorizing "Gays" into this lynch mob leper colony mentality. Maybe people open these threads because they are sincerely seeking Christ.
Maybe you don't realize it, but Jesus was considered a "progressive liberal" in His earthly time; that is one of the reasons why He was crucified. Where did Jesus say we must force our hetero standards of living into the bedrooms of other people? It seems He was quite opposite. To love our neighbor is to understand they have the right to participate in whatever activies they choose to with other consenting adults.
Maybe people judge gays so harshly 'cause it is easier to place them between ourselves and the Mirror of our own Mire, than to realize we ALL have much work to do. The best way to do it is to understand we are all in this together, and our ONLY purpose is to die to self and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
There is an almost unnoticed projected irony in saying that people start these threads just so they can 'scream' how 'hateful' Christians are. There appears to be a common trend among those who wrongfully judge, they hardly realize they lack the True love of others to even stand in the Court of Christ.
Furthermore, even IF (BIG IF) the above quoted study was unbiased, and those things are true for gays (though I have many gay friends and have seen NONE of that), did anyone stop to think it may be because sooooooooooooo
many Christians have told them they are "going to HELL!!" How could they possibly be expected to believe there Truly is a Loving God when the very people who are supposed to be ambassodors for Christ show absolutely NO LOVE to them?
Whoops!! Got a bit long winded
Why would you think that anyone would say that about a Christian, what I highlighted above? Did you come up with that on your own or did someone say that to you? Or is it possible that you may view yourself in that light?Natman said:I think people open these threads in the hopes of luring some unsuspecting "Christian" into the topic of "homosexuality", just so that they can scream how "hateful", "high and mighty" and "intolerant" Christians are.
The topic comes up frequently in Christian forums because it has been thrust into the forefront of our minds by progressive liberals that will not tolerate being told that the lifestyle that they have accepted is un-Biblical and unhealthy.
These are the US AIDS statistics from avert.org
384,784 by Men who have sex with men
209,920 by Injecting drug user
54,224 by Men who have sex with men and inject drugs
5,371 by Haemophilia/coagulation disorder
9,152 by Receipt of blood transfusion, blood components, or tissue
86,258 by Other/risk not identified
100,071 by Heterosexual contact
849,780 TOTAL
"Hererosexual" contact does not exclude bisexual relations.
That's 52% of the AIDS cases related to men having sex with men. To state that there is no correlation between the AIDS epidemic and the gay lifestyle is simply "denial". This does not include the proliferation of other debhilitating social STD's and bacterial infections (including gonorrhea and syphilis), parasitical infections (gay bowel syndrome), viral infections (including HIV, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, hepatitis C and HPV [Human Papilloma Virus], anal cancer, cervical cancer, suicide, violence in the home, and mental health problems are all associated with much higher incidences among those living the homosexual lifestyle. (Journal of Sex Research (1997), Paul Van de Ven et al., documention of 2,583 homosexual profiles)
Further, like most Christians I know, I do not consider myself "holier that thou". I see myself as a "sinner" (hopefully a repentant sinner), having committed sins equally as vile or worse in the eyes of the Lord, saved only by confession through the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
I have two relatives and a close friend that are "gay". One has AIDS and is dying. The other two are dealing with advanced forms of HIV. All three know where the infections came from. All three have refused to change their lifestyle taking a "I'm dying anyway, so why bother now" attitude.
My heart cries out to all of them because of their pain, discomfort and fear as well as the pressure they have put their families. It's just sad.
Son-cerely and securely in Christ,
Nate
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