How old is the world?

[Floodnut]

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But, of course, the real, real question most relevant to this thread is, how old does scientific evidence say the earth is?

Actually this is the original question:
I am interested in knowing exactly how old the world is scientifically and biblical. Please help!

Any of you can limit your posts to supposed scientific evidence. I will try to give what I understand from the Scriptures. You want me to make the Scriptures jive with your supposed scientific "evidence." The Scriptures stay the same, the scientific evidence changes and is reinterpreted constantly.

The plain simple sense of Scripture stays the same.

 

[A Freethinker]

Is something wrong with judging?

Yes, there is something wrong with judging.

John 8:7 (New International Version)

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."

 

[Floodnut]

Overreact much?

Of course I don't want you to roll over and play dead. I would like you to play nice, though. Pontificating about the purported evils and falsehoods of modern science with nothing to back you up in terms of evidence is not nice. Nor is it likely to elicit a calm response.

Is this statement a bit condescending and patronizing? You are telling me to play nice? Look back over the posts of those who have attacked me. I have not been pontificating except in response to pontifications, not have I said that evolutionists are liars, except in response to similar statements about creationists. When I do the same thing my attackers do my response is called over reactiing. Heeeheheheheh, this is so hilarious.

 

[A Freethinker]

The plain simple sense of Scripture stays the same.

If it was "the same" for all this time then we wouldn't have had to translate it multiple times into different editions, and have to deal with different denominations drawing opposing interpretations from the same text.

 

[f U z ! o N]

the thing is floodnut how can you continouly deny scientific evidence? if God spoke from the heavens and said the world is OLD would it affect your faith? why is everyone SO close minded. its ok to be a little bit open minded on some things. heck, we will never figure out how old the earth is. why do christians take different views as a threat to the bible? it is not a threat. it is a discussion. floodnut you are extremely arrogant and incredibly close minded. im so sick of the closed minded christians. it drives me insane. if the age of the earth affects your views of God you have incredibly weak faith

 

[A Freethinker]

the thing is floodnut how can you continouly deny scientific evidence? if God spoke from the heavens and said the world is OLD would it affect your faith? why is everyone SO close minded. its ok to be a little bit open minded on some things. heck, we will never figure out how old the earth is. why do christians take different views as a threat to the bible? it is not a threat. it is a discussion. floodnut you are extremely arrogant and incredibly close minded. im so sick of the closed minded christians. it drives me insane. if the age of the earth affects your views of God you have incredibly weak faith

Not only is this a good point, but it's an original point. Good observation.

Also, Floodnut is not aware of certain biblical passages condemning man judging man. More to your point, he isn't even good at believing in his own faith.

 

[Floodnut]

I have used no such tactic against you. However, since you've now admitted that you intend to patronise and ridicule me, and have the audacity to suggest that I am the one lying here when all around you you can see the continued assertions that science says things it doesn't, I think you've earned yourself a place on my ignore list.

My reading here will be considerably less painful without your contributions

Sure you have patronized and ridiculed me. The uppity arrongance you have to say to me, "DON'T PATRONIZE ME," is a prime example.

 

[Floodnut]

Except in the case of those distant "stars," we're not talking about God's creation.

We're talking about God's fraud, since none of it actually happened.

Here is a lovely post, well in keeping with the Nicene Creed. God is a fraud huh?

 

[Floodnut]

I had said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by: Floodnut

They [AiG] do actually do science. They are physicists and astronomers. But degrees don't make them right. What is right is the Word of God. Men with degrees also believe in an old earth. The Question for a Christian Forum is what does the Bible say and What does Jesus teach.

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Then DJ_Ghost said:

Holding a degree does not mean they are currently doing science when they ignore the method and some of its basic tenets.

Ghost

Yes, this is most certanly true of Evolutionists. Well said Ghost, my point exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Floodnut]

Even worse nonense -- Didn't you notice he called Genesis an eyewitness account?

Of course Genesis is the inspired infallible account of the One who was there.

 

[A Freethinker]

Yes, this is most certanly true of Evolutionists. Well said Ghost, my point exactly. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Are you saying that all evolutionists ignore Scientific Method? What a foolish concept that is. One of the most respected and verified theories in existance was discovered and is solely suppored by people who ignore the Scientific Method, but I suppose you are going to say that this is a problem afflicting only the Evolutionist community, and not the Creationist community.

 

[A4C]

ok i want to know a verse than where God says THE EARTH IS 6000 YEARS OLD!
then i will believe it.

God gave us enough infomation to work things out ourselves. He must not have wanted us to be lazy or ignorant.

 

[Asimov]

God gave us enough infomation to work things out ourselves. He must not have wanted us to be lazy or ignorant.

Yes, and we did, we worked it out to be 4.6 billion years old.

 

[Floodnut]

how many more times do i need to tell you THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY HOW OLD THE EARTH IS.

How many more times do I need to tell you the Bible DOES INDEED explicitly tell how old the earth is?

The earth and the universe were created about six thousand years ago in six days (Exodus 20:11, Genesis 1 & 2; 4 & 5, II Peter 3). But remember, we do not discuss the Bible here. Some one said that you are not allowed to argue the validity of the Bible or interpretation here, but you must go to Christians Only, or Apologetics.

Of course I know that is not an actual rule.

 

[Praxiteles]

Raise your hand if you read that as 'meaningless nipples'.

Well, I have now.

Sheesh.

You work hard to get your mind out of the gutter, and then some thoughtless clod just shoves it back down in there.

 

[Floodnut]

Wow.
This thread is a piece of work.
All I wanted to know from the resident flood expert is how many of each animal was placed in the ark.

Sorry, this is a thread about the age of the earth (see post number one). There is a thread elsewhere on Noah's Ark where they are discussing the cargo and structure of the Ark.

 

[Grengor]

They describe how long it took to create the Earth and Heavens, but they don't say how much time has passed untill the birth of Jesus Christ, in fact, isn't there a gap between gen 1 and 2? It doesn't say, after gen 1, "and 5 days later, eden was created".

 

[Floodnut]

Then why don't creationists explain things like dinosaur footprints in coal, mature soils, root structures, and dinosaur egg nests piled one on top of the other for 15 feet?

All we hear is 'the flood did it'. We never hear the specifics. They never give it the considertaion of the circumstances thta you claim is needed.

Can you find me anywhere a creationist explanation of fossil dinosaur footprints inbetween sedimentary layers and a creationist explanation of how they got there, how the sediment they are in and above got there, and how the sediment above them got there preserving them in a global deluge?

Sure creationists explain these things. They love them. They love polystrate fossils too. Visit AiG and in a respectful gentlemanly manner ask the question and they may direct you to papers on the question.

 

[f U z ! o N]

How many more times do I need to tell you the Bible DOES INDEED explicitly tell how old the earth is?

The earth and the universe were created about six thousand years ago in six days (Exodus 20:11, Genesis 1 & 2; 4 & 5, II Peter 3). But remember, we do not discuss the Bible here. Some one said that you are not allowed to argue the validity of the Bible or interpretation here, but you must go to Christians Only, or Apologetics.

Of course I know that is not an actual rule.

2 peter says this
8But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance

so therefore if every day is 1000 years to God then 365 days times 2005 years

365 days times 2005 years=365,000 days
365,000 days times 1000 years to God=365,000,000?
so therfore the earth is very old!

 

[Floodnut]

of course it does not directly say how old it is. we are interpreting that to fit a 6000 year. however, where were dinosaurs during these 6000 years, what about what history says about ancient civilizations?

Dinosaurs along with humans were created on the sixth day of Creation (Genesis 1). They co-existed with humans in a mostly tropical and temperate pre-flood world. Yet they may have been concentrated in biological zones that were most suitable to their physical needs. After the flood, those that had been taken on the Ark had a difficult time, along with a number of other animal species and have since gone extinct for the most part.

Ancient civilizations rose rapidly, continuing preflood technology in the world after the Flood. The civilizations degenerated rapidly however to their present sorry state.

Although this thread is about the age of the earth, since the questioner raised the dino and civilization issue in the context of the 6000 years of Earth's existence it seems appropriate to comment on it. Whew. Now we are getting back to a sensible question.