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How old is the world?

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A4C said:
Aren't you glad hat we have scientists today so we can see just how magnificent God's creation is?

Except in the case of those distant "stars," we're not talking about God's creation.

We're talking about God's fraud, since none of it actually happened.
 
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A Freethinker said:
Guess what? You aren't going to change their minds, especially after saying something like this. You just told the Creationists what you are trying to do, putting them "on guard". If this is what you thought, it was best left unsaid.


Guess what, your wrong. There are a number of ex-creationists on this site who have been swayed by the discussions here. They are not all so blind they will not see, some have just never been looking in the right direction.

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Floodnut said:
When he says "Been there, thanks," he refers to the Answers In Genesis website.

They do actually do science. They are physicists and astronomers. But degrees don't make them right. What is right is the Word of God. Men with degrees also believe in an old earth. The Question for a Christian Forum is what does the Bible say and What does Jesus teach.

Holding a degree does not mean they are currently doing science when they ignore the method and some of its basic tenets.

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A4C said:
Have you ever wondered why stars are out there ( beside how they were formed)
If you have trouble for that perhaps you would like to read the report of a witness in Genesis. You will see that they were hung there by God with the intention of providing for the benefit of man a more interesting night sky than just a plain black one. Therefore for man to take advantage of God's galactic handiwork He would have had to create them as He did man - in a matured state.
I believe that the more you learn about God the more impressed you will be at the love He has for man as evident by His creation.


Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Wow, that is funny. You totally sidestepped my question, totally. Good job there. God didn't create a universe for us to look at, you need to get off of your high horse and realize a few things. Our galaxy is doomed to be ripped apart by Andromeda, and our entire cluster is doomed to be crushed into other clusters as we approach the Great Attractor. God put all that stuff up there for us to look at? If so, then why is all this action occuring? Following your "logic", the cosmos would be stationary.

Again, you need to realize that you're wrong. Your statement is complete nonsense.
 
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DJ_Ghost said:
Guess what, your wrong. There are a number of ex-creationists on this site who have been swayed by the discussions here. They are not all so blind they will not see, some have just never been looking in the right direction.

Ghost

To be honest with you, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully people here can and will open their eyes. Less ignorance is only a good thing.
 
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A Freethinker said:
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Wow, that is funny. You totally sidestepped my question, totally. Good job there. God didn't create a universe for us to look at, you need to get off of your high horse and realize a few things. Our galaxy is doomed to be ripped apart by Andromeda, and our entire cluster is doomed to be crushed into other clusters as we approach the Great Attractor. God put all that stuff up there for us to look at? If so, then why is all this action occuring? Following your "logic", the cosmos would be stationary.

Again, you need to realize that you're wrong. Your statement is complete nonsense.

Even worse nonense -- Didn't you notice he called Genesis an eyewitness account? ^_^
 
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Battie said:
Prax is not bullying you nor is he playing the forum cop. He is making a (valid) observation. You do not need to be rude.

This is why he is right: The topic of this thread is not about whether the Bible is valid. It is about the age of the earth. Christians posting in this thread will say that the earth is either 4.5 billion years old or 6000 years old. Both groups will also say that the Bible is valid. The real question, then, which interpretation of the Bible is valid.

In fact, you affirmed this yourself when you claimed that the argument concerned rejecting the validity of the simple approach to intepreting the Bible. So, it's not about the validity of the Bible, it's about defending one's interpretation as the best one.

But, of course, the real, real question most relevant to this thread is, how old does scientific evidence say the earth is?

Of course the real question most relevant is how old does the Bible say the earth is?
 
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Battie said:
Prax is not bullying you nor is he playing the forum cop. He is making a (valid) observation. You do not need to be rude.

This is why he is right: The topic of this thread is not about whether the Bible is valid. It is about the age of the earth. Christians posting in this thread will say that the earth is either 4.5 billion years old or 6000 years old. Both groups will also say that the Bible is valid. The real question, then, which interpretation of the Bible is valid.

In fact, you affirmed this yourself when you claimed that the argument concerned rejecting the validity of the simple approach to intepreting the Bible. So, it's not about the validity of the Bible, it's about defending one's interpretation as the best one.

But, of course, the real, real question most relevant to this thread is, how old does scientific evidence say the earth is?

Sure he was bullying and playing the Forum Cop. It is about whether the Bible is valid, and it is about the age of the earth (as you affirm). The simple plain sense of Scripture is clear. How old is the earth? About 6000 years.
 
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Praxiteles said:
The fact remains that this forum is a scientific one, and theological questions (such as those relating to the validity of the Bible) belong in the Apologetics forum. I'm sorry if that seems pedantic, but that simply is the way that CF is organised.

That question is nothing to do with the validity of the Bible itself, but with your interpretation of the text. A plain reading of scripture, if strictly adhered to, brings up absurdities. Even you must admit that you do not hold to a strict reading of scripture, but re-interpret some lines so as to avoid absurdity.

My argument has nothing to do with validity of scripture or otherwise, since to me the Bible is no more (or no less) an important document than the Iliad. It's a fascinating historical document which reflects the culture of the people from which it sprang. My argument is about the science, and when people come in here postulating patently ridiculous work-arounds to make science fit with their interpretation of the Bible, then I do not wish to let that pass.

Overreact much?

Of course I don't want you to roll over and play dead. I would like you to play nice, though. Pontificating about the purported evils and falsehoods of modern science with nothing to back you up in terms of evidence is not nice. Nor is it likely to elicit a calm response.

It is not a scientific forum. It is under discussion and debate, within the Christian forum, on the subject of Creation and Evolution. The book of Genesis and the Bible is not merely a historical document refelcting a culture. It is the inspired Word of God. You believe that a simple reading of the Scripture in the sense it is intended by the writers results in absurdities. Meanwhile Jesus says that it is the infalible Truth, and if you don't believe it, says Jesus, you won't believe Him.
 
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Praxiteles said:
What's with addressing me in the third person? Do you do that in real life when you're talking to people?



Your claim is that they do science. That's great. By all means feel free to back that up with something. (eg. An example).


I am not sure how to use the quote feature to include the statement to which the quoted response applied, so I tried to describe the earlier post.

I am not addressing any particular YOU, I am addressing the original question. I am addressing the Forum. This is not to say that I would never address and individual directly in this forum.

I was invited to "back that up." I don't care to back it up. I am simply inviting the questioner to visit AiG, or ICR to see what they have to say on the question of the age of the earth.

Ya'll have apparently been to college and expect this forum to be written in academic format with citations and the like. For some of you it is about debate. Enjoy yourselves.
 
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A Freethinker said:
Floodnut, before this conversation continues, I think it's important that you do some "growing up". You are only hurting your argument by acting so immature. If you want an example, read just about any of your posts in this thread.

Let's get back on topic, shall we?

Floodnut, Please answer my question about the distant visible stars, if you would be so kind.

So now the gentlemen and ladies here are telling me I need to "grow up." What a bunch of pompus arrogant chiding! I respond in kind, sorry.

I am not a astro-physicist. AiG has a couple on staff. They have answers on this. Talk to them. I don't want to argue.
 
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Douglaangu v2.0 said:
So what you're saying not only is god misleading, but he's doing it for our amusment?

God is not misleading. He has clearly said what he did. Adam was fully mature and capable of reproducing in the day of his creation. God is not misleading us by creating a being that APPEARS MATURE.

One may assert that God has mislead only by ignoring his plain statements.
 
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Douglaangu v2.0 said:
Firstly, who was this witness, and how did they view the stars being 'hung'.

Secondly, are you seriously saying that you don't consider it misleading if the universe was created to, in all possible ways, appear old?

Lamb dressed as Mutton?

There are abundant evidences that it is young, (See AiG and ICR), and the Witness is God himself who moved upon Moses to write an infallible record of Creation. God has directly declared what he did. Men then reject that and imagine something else. Not only do you (pl) accuse me and creationists of lying, you also say God is a deceiver.
 
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Nightson said:
So the rest of the universe was created for the sole purpose of giving us something interesting to look at? Rather wasteful of him don't you think? Especially all the parts that we can't see.

The parts we can't see? You know there are parts that cannot be seen. No one saw an electron or Atom for thousands of years. But now we can see them. So you accuse God of being wasteful in creating heretofore invisible atoms? They have a purpose even if they are not visible. It is all created to declare the Glory of God (Ps 19:1, Romans 1).
 
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Elduran said:
I have used no such tactic against you. However, since you've now admitted that you intend to patronise and ridicule me, and have the audacity to suggest that I am the one lying here when all around you you can see the continued assertions that science says things it doesn't, I think you've earned yourself a place on my ignore list.

My reading here will be considerably less painful without your contributions :D

WOW! Is there a way to ignore ignorant contentios spiteful posts? Could someone clue me in on how to do it? Not that I am saying Elduran is making such posts, but how would I put someone on "IGNORE" if that need should arise?
 
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A Freethinker said:
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Wow, that is funny. You totally sidestepped my question, totally. Good job there. God didn't create a universe for us to look at, you need to get off of your high horse and realize a few things. Our galaxy is doomed to be ripped apart by Andromeda, and our entire cluster is doomed to be crushed into other clusters as we approach the Great Attractor. God put all that stuff up there for us to look at? If so, then why is all this action occuring? Following your "logic", the cosmos would be stationary.

Again, you need to realize that you're wrong. Your statement is complete nonsense.
God says that "Heaven and earth will pass away but my Word will not pass away" I am holding on to the things of God rather than the things of this earth which are temporal. Laugh if you must but remember if what you say is happening it might well be the beginning of the prophecy I referred to.
May God bless you.
 
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Floodnut said:
WOW! Is there a way to ignore ignorant contentios spiteful posts? Could someone clue me in on how to do it? Not that I am saying Elduran is making such posts, but how would I put someone on "IGNORE" if that need should arise?
Be glad to Have done it to many of the morre rude one's.
Just go to your CP and click "buddy /ignore lists"
 
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