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L'Anatra said:Indeed.
So getting to the intended "plain sense" isn't so easy, after all, is it Floodnut?
corvus_corax said:Why not?
I mean what is it about a 51 year old man that makes him unfit to criticize your judgement?
Or what is it about a Seafood Department manager that makes him unfit to criticize your argument?
What if he was a 35 year old stay at home dad?
Would his age or occupation (or lack thereof) make him more fit (or less) to criticize then?
(Not that I actually agree with anything floodnut has said so far)
News flash: Planets don't twinkle.Floodnut said:OK, if you want to impose modern new meanings on ancient words, they are stars. The original meaning of the word cocovim is small twinkling object in the night sky. Some were differentiated as "wandering stars" and these are the planets, asteroids, and comets.
What version are you using?Floodnut said:I have no idea what tempest is going on in your teapot, but the text of II Timonthy 3:16 says the Scirptures are breathed out by God. What is the problem here?
So, you are ignoring the old testament? I thought it was part of the bible? And Paul saying to treat slaves like brothers? Which verse is this?Floodnut said:Jesus taught slaves to be meek and humble and not to rebell. Paul taught slave owners to treat their slaves as Brothers and that we are all equal -bond and free. It is Christians and their proclamation of the truth of God that finally ended slavery in America, although it was the Christians of England that had to lead the way.
And-U-Say said:So, you are ignoring the old testament? I thought it was part of the bible? And Paul saying to treat slaves like brothers? Which verse is this?
LittleNipper said:Read the very short book PHILEMON. Paul writes an eloquent letter to the owners on behalf of a slave named Onesimus.
t is Christians and their proclamation of the truth of God that finally ended slavery in America, although it was the Christians of England that had to lead the way.
No. I was not attempting to be malicious. I was rather trying to point out that your claim was false, precisely because another Christian sees the Bible differently than you do.Floodnut said:Do I detect a note of catty arrogance here?
Really?The length of time Adam was in the Garden has nothing to do with it.
Sure it does. Keep living in your dream world.and the God-breathed text still leaves us with 6000 years, quite plainly.
Floodnut said:I have no idea what tempest is going on in your teapot, but the text of II Timonthy 3:16 says the Scirptures are breathed out by God. What is the problem here?
That's because Floodnut is looking at the roots of the words, not the english translationsNathan Poe said:You're still running off that "brethed out" rubbish? Doesn't anyone own a dictionary anymore?
Yes I didA Freethinker said:A 51-year-old working in a supermarket isn't likely to be very educated, and not likely to be very intelligent. I don't have much need for the philosophical opinions of my bagboy when I go to the store. If he was a 51-year-old who had retired from a successful career as a college professor, I would be more inclined to care about what he has to say on these matters. The only thing I would value from Floodnut is his opinion on how to best cook my salmon.
EDIT: If he were a 30-something stay at home father, I would want to know more about his background and education. He could be staying at home in his trailer with his 13 kids on welfare or staying in his suburban mansion, having retired early thanks to a booming startup business.
You asked.
Floodnut said:Do I detect a note of catty arrogance here? The length of time Adam was in the Garden has nothing to do with it. and the God-breathed text still leaves us with 6000 years, quite plainly.
What Floodnut is saying (I presume) is that his "plain reading" of the Bible indicates that the universe is 6,000 years old, not that the Bible itself is.Loudmouth said:Can you prove that the Bible is 6,000 years old? Last I heard, the oldest text found so far was from around the time of Jesus, give or take a hundred years.
L'Anatra said:Indeed.
So getting to the intended "plain sense" isn't so easy, after all, is it Floodnut?
Nathan Poe said:Well, for staters, you might want to brush up on your vocabulary...
"Inspired" doesn't mean "beathe out," but "breathe in." The prefix IN- is sort of a givaway on that one.
Breathed in to fallible humans by God, who then took on the incredibly daunting task of transferring Divine Revelation into fallible limited human language.
The product of anything handled by the fallible is hardly infallible.
f U z ! o N said:now the origional bible may have been error free but through all this translating who knows what happened.
nvxplorer said:Did you not see the sarcasm in that post? It was dripping so badly, I'm still wiping my monitor?
That's your conclusion, not "the" conclusion. Many people who have diligently considered the same things have come to a different one.Floodnut said:I don't know that it is easy to derive the Plain Sense intended by the writers. There is a need to understand the culture and the language of the time. But having diligently considered the language, the culture, the audience, the conclusion is that the sense of Genesis One is literal, and this is how Jesus took it.
Making it mean whatever you want is what is easy.
Why is it a folly?Floodnut said:Of course, and there was sarcasm in my response, but what you said is still a great illustration of the folly of Christians trying to accomodate the Scriptures to Evoltutionism.
A Freethinker said:Nah, you are just threatened by other religions, which is clear by your constant use of my status as a non-christian in this debate.
The Bible is false, and I don't think a 51-year-old man still working in a supermarket is fit to criticize my judgement.
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