How Old Is The Earth

[Apple Sky]

No Bible says (even once, not to say several times) that God stretched the universe.

Most Bibles say something like this:
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in
NIV

In the (not so impressive) view of the ancient authors, the world had three tiers - the (flat) world, the underworld and the (solid) heavens stretched above, similarly to a tent roof.

Their heavens are not our universe and vice versa. If they wanted to say something like "all that is" (the most close thing to our universe), they would say "the heavens above, the earth and (waters) under the earth". And they never claimed this all is stretched.

I'm impressed.

 

[trophy33]

I'm impressed.

Why? I have acknowledged before that, the biblical authors had a similar cosmology like their pagan neighbors.

I just do not believe those ancient cultures were somehow supernaturally scientifically inspired.

 

[Apple Sky]

Why? I have acknowledged before that, the biblical authors had a similar cosmology like their pagan neighbors.

I know, but you still haven't got it quite right

 

[Ace777]

Is this what you're saying?

My point is that God knows the end from the Beginning.
God possesses complete knowledge of all things,
including the past, present, and future.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No I wasn't aware of this nonsense & the Bible doesn't say that God stretched out the universe, it says he stretched out the heavens.

Wait, aren’t you a flat earth believer? How ironic that you’re accusing me of speaking nonsense. Let me know if you guys ever come up with a map of a flat earth that is to scale, if you can do that you’ll convince me.

 

[Apple Sky]

Wait, aren’t you a flat earth believer? How ironic that you’re accusing me of speaking nonsense.

Where in the Bible does it say how far away the stars are ? & where in the Bible does it say that earth is billions of years old & that the universe is expanding?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Where in the Bible does it say how far away the stars are ? & where in the Bible does it say that earth is billions of years old & that the universe is expanding?

Where in the Bible does it say that people put mustard on hot dogs?

 

[Strong in Him]

Where in the Bible does it say that people put mustard on hot dogs?

Or use computers?

 

[Strong in Him]

Where in the Bible does it say how far away the stars are ? & where in the Bible does it say that earth is billions of years old & that the universe is expanding?

It is not the purpose of the Bible to tell us these things.
Has anyone mentioned that it's not a science textbook?

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is not the purpose of the Bible to tell us these things.
Has anyone mentioned that it's not a science textbook?

The Bible didn’t tell us how tall Adam was, but you can sure bet that he had a measurable hight. It doesn’t tell us how large the planet is, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be measured. I don’t see how the distance of stars would be any different.

 

[Strong in Him]

The Bible didn’t tell us how tall Adam was, but you can sure bet that he had a measurable hight. It doesn’t tell us how large the planet is, but that doesn’t mean it can’t be measured.

I didn't say otherwise.
I said that the Bible is not a science textbook and it's purpose is not to tell us, for example, how far away, or far apart, the stars are.

You've just confirmed that by saying that it doesn't tell us how big the planet is.
No; and it never meant to.

 

[trophy33]

Where in the Bible does it say that people put mustard on hot dogs?

Or use computers?

I think that the obvious difference is that unlike computers or hot dogs, Bible actually talks about or describe the ancient Hebrew cosmology on several places.

For example:
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.
Ex 20:4

Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea
Rev 5:13

 

[BNR32FAN]

I didn't say otherwise.
I said that the Bible is not a science textbook and it's purpose is not to tell us, for example, how far away, or far apart, the stars are.

You've just confirmed that by saying that it doesn't tell us how big the planet is.
No; and it never meant to.

Yes I know you were in agreement with me, just making another point.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I think that the obvious difference is that unlike computers or hot dogs, Bible actually talks about or describe the ancient Hebrew cosmology on several places.

For example:
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath.
Ex 20:4

Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea
Rev 5:13

The point was that just because the Bible doesn’t say anything about a specific topic doesn’t negate the validity of said topic. Like the example I gave that the Bible doesn’t specify how big the earth is, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t have a specific size. The Bible doesn’t tell us how far away the sun and moon are, that doesn’t mean they don’t have a specific distance.

 

[trophy33]

The point was that just because the Bible doesn’t say anything about a specific topic doesn’t negate the validity of said topic.

I understand that. My point is that Bible says some things about this specific topic (how the "universe" is supposed to look and work), therefore the logic does not apply here.

One would need to either accept the ancient Hebrew worldview and basically reject the scientific worldview, or to simply deal with the reality that not everything in the Bible is technically "the word of God" and infallible.

Zigzagging between these two positions is not working very well.

 

[Strong in Him]

Yes I know you were in agreement with me, just making another point.

Ok; sorry.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I understand that. My point is that Bible says some things about this specific topic (how the "universe" is supposed to look and work), therefore the logic does not apply here.

One would need to either accept the ancient Hebrew worldview and basically reject the scientific worldview, or to simply deal with the reality that not everything in the Bible is technically "the word of God" and infallible.

Zigzagging between these two positions is not working very well.

Since the Bible is completely silent about the distance of stars from the earth I strongly disagree with your opinion.

 

[tdidymas]

I still have no idea what that has to do with the creation account.

You objected to me using Abraham, saying that Moses was the man in question. I merely explained that Moses fit the time frame.

 

[tdidymas]

That’s not a hard question to answer. Are you aware that scientists predict that the universe is about 13 billion years old? Are you aware that we can actually see stars that are 46 billion light years away? How can this be possible? It’s because the universe is expanding, that’s why we can see stars that are roughly 4 times farther away than the age of the universe. The Bible says several times that God stretched out the universe. That’s pretty impressive information for an ancient civilization from 4,000 years ago that with the naked eye they would be capable of observing such a phenomenon. It’s actually impossible to observe such a phenomenon with the naked eye 4,000 years ago. Genesis 1:14 says that God created lights in the sky to be signs of the seasons for man. It wouldn’t make any sense to place them so far away that man wouldn’t be able to see them for several billion years now would it? So evidently He must’ve altered the light travel in some way to make it possible for man to be able to see it otherwise they wouldn’t serve their intended purpose.

So then, the U is 3.25B years old, and not 6k years old as the YECs claim?

 

[tdidymas]

My point is that God knows the end from the Beginning.
God possesses complete knowledge of all things,
including the past, present, and future.

Ok, great! But how is this conversation relevant to the OP?