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I define it as the Word of God in that The Bible conveys the exact message that He wanted conveyed, that it presents the complete Truth that serves His purpose. That God controlled the distribution of it.
The King James Version or any other translation relative to the same sources is The Bible that spread His Word and has been the source of Christianity for centuries. That was not by accident but by Gods design. It’s God direct involvement that has made it by far the most widely distributed book in world history.
 
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Are you aware that Genesis and the old testament describe an ancient near east cosmology?
 
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I could ask you the same, are you aware that Genesis describes an ancient near east cosmology?
 
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I think you are right about this, and again that reinforces the truth of the Gospel in terms of it being genuine testimony. These are different authors all circling around the magnitude of being in Jesus presence, hearing his words, and witnessing his works.

And thats how we must see the inspiration of the Bible - Bible is not a supernatural fetish dictated word for word, even with supernaturally inspired scientific details, but mostly human work, human witnessing about God.

They are witnessing that the Son of God has truly walked with them in the flesh. They effectively tell us what Jesus said and did, and their accounts confirm each other in clear and subtle ways. It takes more faith to believe something like this could come about any other way than truthful honest reporting of real events. Jesus' ministry was so public near the end (what a show the trial at Pilate's court must have been) it would have been foolish for anyone to try to make it up.

And Moses wrote about his witness of the Creation and other visions revealed by God (e.g. the pattern of the tabernacle)

The Bible is what holds their testimony together.

Therefore, we cannot see Genesis, genealogies or the Noah story and similar as perfect literal, factual records dictated by God and preserved by God till today word for word. Bible does not support such kind of inspiration.

Genesis can be vague in what exactly was happening, (e.g. what exactly was the Tree of Knowledge in Eden?) but that is a much different thing than being deceptive.

When we are told a certain man lived so many years and had these children, then that is what happened. When a geological catastrophe is described, like an earthquake or flood, in a certain year, then that is what happened. Those things can also be used symbolically in regards to prophecy such as in the book of Revelation.

Central events of OT history would be especially hard to fabricate because not only do they contain private visions (e.g. Moses on Sinai) Other major events are claimed to have been witnessed by the entire nation of Israel. (e.g. the parting of the Red Sea) and then passed down to their children. Inserting a false national eyewitness memory into a people would be no easy task.


The supernatural inspiration is in its usefulness for godly life and for knowing the only God and His unique Son, Jesus Christ.

Yes, and we know Jesus is who he says he is because the scriptures can be trusted.


And we are getting back the to thread topic - there is no reason why we should put Genesis and science into conflict. Genesis is a mixture of theology and of ancient Hebrew worldview, not a supernatural scientific revelation.

When you make 'science' say Genesis is mostly false history, then of course they conflict. Genesis is where sin entered the world and is the entire basis for the need of the redemption of the cross.
 
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Why is it so difficult for some to recognize Genesis as myth?

Myth is a genre of folklore consisting primarily of narratives that play a fundamental role in a society. For scholars, this is very different from the vernacular usage of the term "myth" that refers to a belief that is not true. Instead, the veracity of a myth is not a defining criterion
 
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Oh I would love to explain how science’s assumptions have misinterpreted the age of the earth. Where would you like to start? Give me a topic and I’ll do my best to explain how it can be wrong.
I just gave you a topic, but it appears you aren't paying attention.
 
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Apparently by this response you don't believe in accommodation that I clearly explained. But let me ask you this: in Gen. 22:12 God said to Abraham "now I know that you fear God" - so did God know this beforehand, or not? Did God lie, because God knows everything, "the end from the beginning"? (Isa. 46:10) Or, is God accommodating Abraham's limited knowledge? Did God lie by using this expression, instead of telling Abraham the truth that He was using this event as a prophecy of the sacrifice of Christ?

Like I said before, your kind of crass literalism causes a lot of problems and controversies that aren't necessary.
Now according to what you’re saying below you’re actually saying that Moses got this information from a source other than God Himself.
Did God dictate to Moses all the historical narratives of Gen. through Deu? Did God dictate all the historical narratives to the writers of Joshua through Esther? Did God dictate to Solomon all the proverbs, Ecc. and Song of Sol.? Your adherence to the idea that God dictated all that Moses wrote is both unreasonable and ridiculous.
You're not paying attention to what I wrote. You're exaggerating and accusing. Therefore I am not going to reiterate what I wrote earlier.
 
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Yeah I know this is the typical nonsense given by people who don’t actually believe what the Bible says. I mean that is what you’re saying right? It’s not a reliable source of information? It can’t be trusted?
Yet more crass exaggeration, and straw man argument. I think I'm done with you.
 
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I think you can't understand what you're reading, according to your response here. Your strategy is to vilify what you're reading instead of understanding it. 4000 years ago, men observed the cosmos and tried to figure out how it got here, exactly like they do today. But of course, you're not really interested in that, are you?
 
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As noted before, in the Bible, temples are inaugurated in 7 days. And since creation is God's temple, it too is inaugurated in 7 days. That's why God rests on the 7th day too. Because that's what God does in the Bible once temples are completed and inaugurated. Such as with the tabernacle and Solomons temple. See 2 chronicles and 1 kings for example.
 
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Are you aware that Genesis and the old testament describe an ancient near east cosmology?
I’ve read the Bible many times in its entirety. Not once did I get an impression the Bible was teaching a flat earth or even taught from that perspective.
 
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When Jesus mentions Creation it appears to me that He presents it in its literal form.

“And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19‬:‭4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10‬:‭6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Made at the beginning. Not billions of years later. Just like the literal reading I’ve posted here many times - that you reject.

Certainly not in any mythical impression.

Creation references are throughout the Bible and they all reference a literal interpretation of Genesis.

That is why Genesis being a myth is rejected.
 
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I’ve read the Bible many times in its entirety. Not once did I get an impression the Bible was teaching a flat earth or even taught from that perspective.
Well, I'm happy to share with you, that indeed, the Bible describes an ancient near east cosmology. In case you were unsure.
 
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Well, I'm happy to share with you, that indeed, the Bible describes an ancient near east cosmology. In case you were unsure.
That’s an old conversation that’s been done many times. Nothing in the Bible refers to a flat earth. I thought you said The Bible was not a scientific book. Smh.
 
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That’s an old conversation that’s been done many times. Nothing in the Bible refers to a flat earth. I thought you said The Bible was not a scientific book. Smh.
It's not a science textbook, I agree. We know that the earth isn't flat. But the question is, are you aware that the Bible is describing an ancient near east cosmology?
 
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It's not a science textbook, I agree. We know that the earth isn't flat. But the question is, are you aware that the Bible is describing an ancient near east cosmology?
It doesn’t. Nice spin though.

Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God? Like it says and conveys the exact message He desired.
 
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It doesn’t. Nice spin though.

Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God? Like it says and conveys the exact message He desired.
It does.


There's lots of research and historical records verifying it.

The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the face of the earth, The Lord is His name.
Amos‬ ‭9:6‬ ‭NASB

And God said, “Let there be a dome in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.”
Genesis 1:6

God made the dome, and separated the waters which were below the dome from the waters which were above the dome; and it was so. God called the dome heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day.
Genesis 1:7‭-‬8

And God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years,
Genesis 1:14

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened.
Genesis 7:11

the fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained,
Genesis 8:2

And God said, “Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the dome of the sky.”
Genesis 1:20

“You shall not make for yourself a divine image with any form that is in the heavens above or that is in the earth below or that is in the water below the earth.
Exodus 20:4

and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, like the very heaven for clearness.
Exodus 24:10

Thick clouds enwrap him, so that he does not see, and he walks on the dome of heaven.’
Job 22:14

He has described a circle on the face of the water between light and darkness. “The pillars of heaven tremble, and they are astounded at his rebuke.
Job 26:10‭-‬11

Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a molten mirror?
Job 37:18

Hast thou with him spread out the sky, Which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Job 37:18

can you join him in spreading out the skies, hard as a mirror of cast bronze?
Job 37:18


13 that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it? 14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.
Job‬ ‭38:13‭-‬14‬ ‭

So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Joshua 10:13

‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭1:5‬ ‭
The sun rises, and the sun goes down; to its place it hurries, and there it rises again.

Yet in all the world their line goes out, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has pitched a tent for the sun,
Psalms 19:4

The tree that you saw, which grew great and strong, so that its top reached to heaven and was visible to the end of the whole earth,
Daniel 4:20

The Lord sits enthroned over the flood; the Lord sits enthroned as king forever.
Psalms 29:10

Yet he commanded the skies above and opened the doors of heaven,
Psalm 78:23

you set the beams of your chambers on the waters, you make the clouds your chariot, you ride on the wings of the wind,
Psalms 104:3

He causes the clouds to arise from the end of the earth, makes lightning bolts accompany the rain, and brings the wind out of his storehouses.
Psalms 135:7

To him who spread out the earth above the waters, for his loyal love endures forever.
Psalms 136:6

Praise him, highest heavens, and waters above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Yahweh, because he commanded and they were created. And he put them in place *forever and ever*, by a decree he gave that will not pass away.
Psalms 148:4‭-‬6

Praise Yah. Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty firmament.
Psalms 150:1


Whoever flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and whoever climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
Isaiah‬ ‭24:18‬ ‭

and all the host of heaven shall rot. And the skies shall roll up like a scroll, and all their host shall wither like the withering of a leaf from a vine, or like the withering from a fig tree.
Isaiah 34:4

It is he who sits above the *circle* of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in;
Isaiah 40:22

‭Ezekiel 10:1 NASB
[1] Then I looked, and behold, in the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim something like a sapphire stone, in appearance resembling a throne, appeared above them.

Over the heads of the angels there was something like a dome, shining like crystal, spread out above their heads.
Ezekiel 1:22

And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire stone; and seated above the likeness of a throne was something that seemed like a human form.
Ezekiel 1:26

And I looked, and look! On the dome that was above the head of the cherubim something like a stone of sapphire, and like the appearance of the shape of a throne it appeared above them.
Ezekiel 10:1

He made strong the skies above, When the springs of the deep became fixed, When He set for the sea its boundary So that the water would not transgress His command, When He marked out the foundations of the earth;
Proverbs 8:28-‬29

The sky vanished like a scroll rolling itself up, and every mountain and island was why removed from its place.
Revelation 6:14

After this I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.”
Revelation 4:1

“Where were you at my laying the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you possess understanding. Who determined its measurement? Yes, you do know. Or who stretched the measuring line upon it? On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
Job 38:4‭-‬6

The earth and all its inhabitants are shaking; I steady its columns. Selah
Psalms 75:3

For the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, And he hath set the world upon them.
1 Samuel 2:8

 
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I believe what it actually says, but you demand that I believe your interpretation of it. Do you understand the difference?
No you don’t believe what it says. It says that God created the heavens, the earth, the seas, and everything in them in 6 days. You absolutely don’t believe that otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation. It actually says 6 days, but you don’t believe it means 6 days so you don’t believe what it actually says. You can try to conjure up whatever excuse you want but the fact is that the exact words that are written in the scriptures is 6 days, not 6 years or 6,000 years or 4.5 billion years, that’s NOT what is written in the passage.
 
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I just gave you a topic, but it appears you aren't paying attention.
No be specific, what dating method do you want to talk about regarding the age of the earth? I like to pick one specific subject and discuss it thoroughly instead of clouding the conversation with numerous different topics that typically result in a bunch of loose ends.
 
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