How Old Is The Earth

[Jipsah]

Just because the universe appears to be older than it actually is doesn’t mean that God’s intention was to deceive anyone.

Fortunately, my having read Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 save me from having to defend a poorly thought-out doctrine by claiming that God did soimething deceptive.

It could be that the method He used just resulted in appearing to be older than it is and He didn’t care whether people would be confused by it or not.

Or, more likely, the things He created look old because they're old. Radical concept, huh?

Kind of like Jesus turning water to wine and not worrying about how old people thought it was.

From my reading, they all thought it was wine.

The scriptures tell us how old the wine

How old was it? I missed that part.

was and how old the universe is.

Well, no. It gives us symbolic "days". See Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8. And for crying loud, spare me the "it has to be literal this time" flapdoodle. It doesn't, and isn't.

Most people just don’t realize how much speculation goes into the dating methods scientists use.

"Dance a little sidestep, now you see me, now you don't."

 

[BPPLEE]

The Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old, while the universe is estimated to be around 13.8 billion years old.

There are very slow processes we see in nature that do not fit into any young Earth theory.

That’s the scientific consensus but no one really knows

 

[trophy33]

That’s the scientific consensus but no one really knows

What does it mean to "really know"?

 

[Apple Sky]

What does it mean to "really know"?

That's a really good question.

 

[Job 33:6]

That’s the scientific consensus but no one really knows

We have a high degree of confidence that the earth is as ancient as stated, billions of years old.

The idea that the earth is 6,000 years old is just as bad as flat earthism.

 

[BPPLEE]

We have a high degree of confidence that the earth is as ancient as stated, billions of years old.

The idea that the earth is 6,000 years old is just as bad as flat earthism.

6,000 years is uninformed and ridiculous. It’s easily disproven

 

[Platte]

You are partly right, although most of interpretation of Gen 1 is also speculation. Consider this: the wine was made so, but not by natural process. You say the U could have been made so but not by natural process. Yet: the wine did not exhibit any property that indicated it was any older than just a few minutes. Example: were the jars deeply stained with the wine color, which would have indicated it had been there a long time? Likely not. Yet, the U does exhibit many properties that indicate it has been there a long time. Example: supernovas observed, which indicates that the initial state of it was where it is measured to be - 100k years ago for some of them to 10B years ago for others. It points to a long age of the U. Since it appears to have been stable for B of years, it is reasonable to speculate that it is indeed B of yrs old.

It's like a house that looks 50 years old. If someone claiming to be a prophet even, or an expert, says the house was built 5 months ago, but I see years of deterioration, do you think I will believe what they say? No, I'll believe what I see and surmise that it's 50 yrs old, and reasonably so. I wouldn't have to have historical documentation to prove the house is older than they claim.
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Let’s focus on Adam for a sec. He was created as a man….so he was created old. Wheres the debate about God deceiving us with Adam. He had hair….it takes years to grow hair. The bones in his legs were long - takes years for bones to fully grow. Why did God create Adam old?

 

[Platte]

We have a high degree of confidence that the earth is as ancient as stated, billions of years old.

The idea that the earth is 6,000 years old is just as bad as flat earthism.

There are very few arguments that can even be made to dispute that the Earth was created 6000 years ago. Recorded history supports the creation timeline. World’s first civilization supports the timeline. First language/first writing support it. Obviously flat earth can be PROVEN wrong. Creation occuring 6000 years ago cannot be and the chronology of the Bible (Gods Word) declares it.

You say the earth has been here for billions of years and yet history only goes back less than 6000? Give me a break.

 

[Platte]

Yes Adam and Eve lived 6,000 years ago. The question all has to do with how long a day is in Genesis chapter one. The Bible uses words like ancient, eternal, long lasting, forever and ever and with overwhelming evidence that a day is more then 24 hours you still want to cling to your false teaching. I would rather give praise, honor and glory to God that His tender mercy is forever and not just for a day. I believe that everlasting is just that, something that lasts forever.

The main thing is Noah's flood. Either the layers of the grand canyon were made by a flood, or the flood eroded away the canyon to expose billions of years of layers of geology. You cannot have it both ways, you have to choose one or the other. We know that God is everlasting and eternal, He is the ancient of day. Yet you think God is only 6,000 years old and ancient days do not exist.

This is why God questioned Job. Were you there at the beginning when God created the foundation of the world?

Job 38 God Challenges Job
…3Now brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall inform Me. 4Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.

Job 15 …6Your own mouth, not mine, condemns you; your own lips testify against you. 7Were you the first man ever born? Were you brought forth before the hills? 8Do you listen in on the council of God or limit wisdom to yourself?…

Psalm 90 1A prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, You have been our dwelling place through all generations. 2Before the mountains were born or You brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting You are God.

Everlasting is past and everlasting is future. Not just future.

Reminds me of the Jefferson Bible where people say he liked to cut words out of the Bible. God is infinite and there is so much there in the word of God and yet we all seem to want to ignore most of what God is telling us. We walk away with so little when there is so much there.

So how do you reconcile God describing a day as an evening and a morning to describe what is meant by a day? Pretty convenient to add that. And how do you reconcile exodus 31:17?

 

[lismore]

That’s the scientific consensus but no one really knows

Hello BPPLEE. I read an interesting piece of literature recently from a University Life Sciences Faculty which stated there are 105 known genders. I reckon some of the scientists there know that biologically speaking there aren't 105 genders but are too cowed to speak the truth and have allowed this drivel to go out in their name. I reckon the same would go for the 'scientific consensus' on the age of the earth. Kind Regards

 

[lismore]

So how do you reconcile God describing a day as an evening and a morning to describe what is meant by a day? Pretty convenient to add that. And how do you reconcile exodus 31:17?

Hello Platte!

Exodus 31: 17 "It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ”

That's a good point, well made. The seven days of creation are the blueprint for our seven day week. If anyone thinks the seven days of creation weren't seven literal days they can surely attempt a 7,000 year week next week. God Bless

 

[Platte]

Hello BPPLEE. I read an interesting piece of literature recently from a University Life Sciences Faculty which stated there are 105 known genders. I reckon some of the scientists there know that biologically speaking there aren't 105 genders but are too cowed to speak the truth and have allowed this drivel to go out in their name. I reckon the same would go for the 'scientific consensus' on the age of the earth. Kind Regards

It is odd that there is no debate about all the scientific claims from anyone. Not even the debaters in this board question the absurd claims of science.

I wonder how many people have watched that youtube video where they carbon date material. How they tell you the amounts of c12 and c14. And they show you the amount of decay? It’s very interesting. I recommend everyone watch so you can actually see carbon dating being done. Yet no debate from ANYONE

 

[Jipsah]

There are very few arguments that can even be made to dispute that the Earth was created 6000 years ago.

Other than that by simply examining it you find it's obviously much older than that. Oh, I forgot, "God Made It Look Old".

You say the earth has been here for billions of years and yet history only goes back less than 6000? Give me a break.

Natural history goes on a good deal longer than that, doesn't it?

BTW, you're aren't also Flat Earth, are you?

 

[Jipsah]

Let’s focus on Adam for a sec. He was created as a man….so he was created old.

Really? Chapter and verse on that, please.

Wheres the debate about God deceiving us with Adam.

Never heard it suggested, probably because I never heard anyone maintain that Adam was created old.

He had hair….it takes years to grow hair.

You've obviously never had any Asian children. Mine all had lovely heads of black hair.

The bones in his legs were long - takes years for bones to fully grow. Why did God create Adam old?

Your Bible apparently includes a lot of detail that mine doesn't. Is that the YEC KJV version?

 

[Jipsah]

So how do you reconcile God describing a day as an evening and a morning to describe what is meant by a day?

How do you reconcile having evenings and mornings without benefit of a sun? A lot of your camp take the simple expededient of inserting their own temporary sun that provided evenings and mornings before the real sun was created on day 4. But them that's kind of adding to Scripture, innit? But probably no more egregious than the assertion that Adam was created old and had all his teeth and a beard and what have you. I reckon you have to fill in the data that the writer of Genesis forgot to provide, right?

Pretty convenient to add that.

No more convenient than your interim sun. <Laugh>

And how do you reconcile exodus 31:17?

The symbolic time of Creation. Kind of like the US sprang into existence on 4 July 1776. (Hint, it took a long longer than 1 Day.)

 

[Job 33:6]

My guess to the whole "day before the sun" topic is that, in the morning, the sun rises. But before the sun rises, there is light.

So from the basic position of an observer, light exists before the sun. And we all know this. Every morning the sky gets brighter before we see the actual sun.

And that's how you get "day" or a day before the sun.

 

[Platte]

Other than that by simply examining it you find it's obviously much older than that. Oh, I forgot, "God Made It Look Old".

Natural history goes on a good deal longer than that, doesn't it?

BTW, you're aren't also Flat Earth, are you?

You’re not one of those covid booster shot people are you.

The earth does not look old. It’s at the perfect serviceable age. Do you know why God created the Earth?

Why would recorded history only go back less than 6000 years? Don’t give a guess answer. If you don’t know then just say you don’t know.

 

[BPPLEE]

You’re not one of those covid booster shot people are you.

The earth does not look old. It’s at the perfect serviceable age. Do you know why God created the Earth?

Why would recorded history only go back less than 6000 years? Don’t give a guess answer. If you don’t know then just say you don’t know.

So all of the scientific community across several disciplines are all in on a vast conspiracy to make us believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old? What do they stand to gain by lying to us about this?

 

[Jipsah]

You’re not one of those covid booster shot people are you.

Betcher boots I am. Took the shots, worked every day (well, about 40 hours a weeks worth, anyway,one of those alleged "front line heroes"), traveled as much as the lockdowns allowed, and insofar as the "law" allowed, did as I pleased. I let others hide with pride. Y tu?

The earth does not look old. It’s at the perfect serviceable age.

Looks a lot more than 6000 years old, doesn't it? Because it is.

Do you know why God created the Earth?

I'll bite, why do you reckon He created the earth?

Why would recorded history only go back less than 6000 years?

The "recording" part was peroblematic. Writing is a late development, innit?

 

[Jipsah]

So all of the scientific community across several disciplines are all in on a vast conspiracy to make us believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old? What do they stand to gain by lying to us about this?

Apparently it's just for drill. It's like the "flat earth" folks. Just about half the population would have to be in on the grift, which in the end would benefit no one. Just weird.