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Strange question considering the perfect Creation he made. Everything in this universe and on earth is exactly perfect for us for living. I mean it’s perfect! Everything is lined up perfectly for us to live there. Everything God created in those 6 days was old. Adam was a man. Trees and animals were old. That’s the miracle of creation and the beauty of it. If you had to create a universe and earth in 6 days I would think this is exactly what you’d create. I can’t think of what could have been different or better. We do know this is what He created. He even gave a book telling us when and how long it took to create this world. Him telling us when and what with great precision is obviously not deceitWhy would God attempt to deceive us with compelling physical evidence of a very old Earth (billions of years)?
All physical evidence indicates an Earth much older than 6,000 years.Strange question considering the perfect Creation he made. Everything in this universe and on earth is exactly perfect for us for living. I mean it’s perfect! Everything is lined up perfectly for us to live there. Everything God created in those 6 days was old. Adam was a man. Trees and animals were old. That’s the miracle of creation and the beauty of it. If you had to create a universe and earth in 6 days I would think this is exactly what you’d create. I can’t think of what could have been different or better. We do know this is what He created. He even gave a book telling us when and how long it took to create this world. Him telling us when and what with great precision is obviously not deceit
If the purpose of Creation was to support life (man) on earth then I’d say Creation was perfect. I mean everything is perfect.All physical evidence indicates an Earth much older than 6,000 years.
I wouldn't create layers that indicate millions of years of history including fossils and continental drift.If the purpose of Creation was to support life (man) on earth then I’d say Creation was perfect. I mean everything is perfect.
God created the universe as we see it and it is perfect. Which also tells me Creation could not have been done any other way.
What would you expect different if you were creating the world 6000 years ago in 6 days? Isn’t what we have exactly what you’d create?
I'm not a YEC...but I do believe the earth was created 6000 years ago and in 6 days as the Bible says.
Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
It doesnt say he created the skies and the land - I checked over 50 versions - they all say heaven and the earth.
Water, like every other mineral and material on earth is part of the earth. The earth has water...it has land...it has many many minerals and elements.
When God created the earth it was without form - no peaks and valleys - that is why the water covered the whole earth. By creating form (peaks and valleys), the water gathered together and the dry land appeared. Its not complicated.
What was the light source? - we don't know...but we do know there was one. Any single major light source, whether its the sun or not, with a revolving earth would create an evening and a morning on the earth.
God said "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is," I take that literally. That is what the Bible says...what God said.
One of my favorite movies is History of Violence - ok yeah maybe not appropriate for most...but the very ending scene the bodyguards are positioned perfectly to kill the nemesis...I mean its a sure and easy kill...but they fail and the boss says how do you mess that up 2 times.
God has been so clear that the earth was created in 6 days (even gives you a description of it by saying an evening and a morning) - yet you cant even get it right...I mean how do you mess that up? Unbelievable to me that you can't get this simple statement from God correct - how do you mess that up - You (and others) make up all sorts of reasoning for it too...even change the meaning of the word "day" LOL. How do you mess that up?!!!!
No, the point is/was that God isn't bound by time as we are, not that He simply uses a different clock.If a thousand years for us is but a day for God, in God's eyes this should make the earth 7 + 6 = 13 days old, am I right ?
Except that if He did what you say He intentionally designed the creation to look like it took a zillion years. That would be deception, wouldn't it? Yeah, He created the universe 3 years ago, in six days, but He made all this stuff that makes it look like it took a long time. Why woui;d He do that? My response? He didn't do that. The "six days" is a pedagogical device to convey that God created everything in the universe, and did so in an orderly fashion. You aren't meant to set your watch by it.He even gave a book telling us when and how long it took to create this world. Him telling us when and what with great precision is obviously not deceit
Or at least His scribe expressed it that way.So nevermind that God said he created everything 6000 years ago..
By looking at what was created an saying "this took a really long time", which is meaningful to us, but not to God. God may have done it in a nanosecond by His Rolex....What does Science have to do with WHEN Creation was.
It's both....thats a historical question not scientific one.
History tells us that Pharoah Rootintootin the 8th build the pyramids, but I'm betting he never worked on it at all....History supports a 6000 year ago creation?
Because it shows us how old stuff is in human terms.Why do you keep noting Science when it comes to the timeline of Creation?
Could be, it that's how God wanted to do it. But saying "God had to do it thus and so"is ridiculous. I mean, sez who? If God wanted to create Adam in .37 microseconds, what's it to you? If He evolved Adam through 1800 prior revisions, you gonna call Him out on it? Good luck with that. Either way, He bloody well created Adam, and He didn't ask any of us to approve His methods, or the amount of time they took. Fundy's talk like if we see evidence that God took longer than the Bible says to create stuff then He's cheated them. That's arrogant rubbish, and flies in the face of SCriptures that say that God doesn't work on our timelines.Do you not believe Adam was created from dust in an instant?
You means it's a religious document, and not a scientific tome? How can this be?God is bringing order out from chaos, form from formlessness, vesting the universe with meaning and purpose, and is the God who made everything--which was a direct subversion and attack against pagan beliefs which viewed the cosmic forces of the world as divine. Rather than worshiping the sun as a god, the sun is the creation of God, who is Lord over the sun, the moon, and infinitely greater than the skies above and all that they contain.
That's what the text is actually talking about.
Fundys are literalists when it suits them, and symbolicists when that suits them. It's their doctrine uber alles, and the truth can't be allowed to get in the way.The KJV isn't authoritative, at least it's no more authoritative than any other translation. If you want to understand the Bible you have to do the legwork to actually read, and consider the context, and try and read it as the original audience and authors would have understood it. You can't read the Bible like a 21st century westerner reading a newspaper. Biblical literacy requires work.
Because your doctrine wouldn't work without one, so you create it ex nihilo. your doctrine wouldn't work without it.What was the light source? - we don't know...but we do know there was one.
What the scribe said, anyway.Any single major light source, whether its the sun or not, with a revolving earth would create an evening and a morning on the earth.
God said "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is," I take that literally. That is what the Bible says...what God said.
Even when there was no sun (without you lot creating one) to make mornings and evenings.God has been so clear that the earth was created in 6 days (even gives you a description of it by saying an evening and a morning)
Nah, the universe was createsd last Thursday. God just made it look old.- yet you cant even get it right.
We weren't willing to create a "sun" that isn't mentioned in Scripture. BTW, so much for literalism, huh?even change the meaning of the word "day" LOL. How do you mess that up?!!!!
Yes Adam and Eve lived 6,000 years ago. The question all has to do with how long a day is in Genesis chapter one. The Bible uses words like ancient, eternal, long lasting, forever and ever and with overwhelming evidence that a day is more then 24 hours you still want to cling to your false teaching. I would rather give praise, honor and glory to God that His tender mercy is forever and not just for a day. I believe that everlasting is just that, something that lasts forever.God gave us a detailed chronology that tells us 6000 years.
That's apparently what a god many YECs would have us believe.So God is a trickster? He wants to trick us into thinking the earth is old and ancient with an overwhelming abundance of evidence?
It is getting more and more that we are going to have to us GAP. God created everything in an instant, a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second. In the beginning. If they think it took HIm a whole week that is fine. Depends on your perspective and what you are looking at.many YECs would have us believe.
Your deception claim is a little odd...because you then turn and say the "six days" are not really six days....but you don't see the deception in that....I guess because that would just be a flat out lie.Except that if He did what you say He intentionally designed the creation to look like it took a zillion years. That would be deception, wouldn't it? Yeah, He created the universe 3 years ago, in six days, but He made all this stuff that makes it look like it took a long time. Why woui;d He do that? My response? He didn't do that. The "six days" is a pedagogical device to convey that God created everything in the universe, and did so in an orderly fashion. You aren't meant to set your watch by it.
I don't think his claim is odd at all. The Bible description wraps up the creation of the earth along with millions of biological species, countless geological formations and astronomical references in a single short chapter and people think it's possible to be 100% literal? First off, nobody would have understood it for thousands of years if it were, and if it was that detailed only one in a million people would ever consider reading it.Your deception claim is a little odd...because you then turn and say the "six days" are not really six days....but you don't see the deception in that....I guess because that would just be a flat out lie.
God created the universe as we see it....He created Adam as a man...was it deception to create Adam as a man? How could he have hair that takes month/years to grow but he was created with them. He's 6 foot tall - it takes years to grow that tall. Its wasn't deception - He created Adam at the functional age necessary ... just like He created the earth at the functional age necessary. If you are going to use the deception word - then you should use it for your account of Creation too.
Just because the universe appears to be older than it actually is doesn’t mean that God’s intention was to deceive anyone. It could be that the method He used just resulted in appearing to be older than it is and He didn’t care whether people would be confused by it or not. Kind of like Jesus turning water to wine and not worrying about how old people thought it was. The scriptures tell us how old the wine was and how old the universe is. Most people just don’t realize how much speculation goes into the dating methods scientists use.Except that if He did what you say He intentionally designed the creation to look like it took a zillion years. That would be deception, wouldn't it? Yeah, He created the universe 3 years ago, in six days, but He made all this stuff that makes it look like it took a long time. Why woui;d He do that? My response? He didn't do that. The "six days" is a pedagogical device to convey that God created everything in the universe, and did so in an orderly fashion. You aren't meant to set your watch by it.
You are partly right, although most of interpretation of Gen 1 is also speculation. Consider this: the wine was made so, but not by natural process. You say the U could have been made so but not by natural process. Yet: the wine did not exhibit any property that indicated it was any older than just a few minutes. Example: were the jars deeply stained with the wine color, which would have indicated it had been there a long time? Likely not. Yet, the U does exhibit many properties that indicate it has been there a long time. Example: supernovas observed, which indicates that the initial state of it was where it is measured to be - 100k years ago for some of them to 10B years ago for others. It points to a long age of the U. Since it appears to have been stable for B of years, it is reasonable to speculate that it is indeed B of yrs old.Just because the universe appears to be older than it actually is doesn’t mean that God’s intention was to deceive anyone. It could be that the method He used just resulted in appearing to be older than it is and He didn’t care whether people would be confused by it or not. Kind of like Jesus turning water to wine and not worrying about how old people thought it was. The scriptures tell us how old the wine was and how old the universe is. Most people just don’t realize how much speculation goes into the dating methods scientists use.
It isn't my claim. IMy claim is thrt God did no such thing. If it looks old, it's because it'a old.Your deception claim is a little odd
Psalms 90:4 “For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.” The Lord is not subject to time....because you then turn and say the "six days" are not really six days.
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