How Old Is The Earth

[Diamond72]

The earth was created in 6 24 hour days approximately 6000 years ago.

Depends on what you mean by "Earth".

If a thousand years for us is but a day for God, in God's eyes this should make the earth 7 + 6 = 13 days old, am I right 13,000 years ago there was a major extinction and the modern age or era we live in began

The modern age or era we live in began 13,000 years ago. We are about to enter into the Kingdom age or the 1,000 year reign of Christ here on the earth. Then there will be a new heavens and a new earth. Wholly Mammoths and Saber tooth tigers for example went extinct at that time. Amazon and Walmart sells copies of the skull for around $10.

 

[Diamond72]

If a thousand years for us is but a day for God, in God's eyes this should make the earth 7 + 6 = 13 days old, am I right ?

The modern age or era we live in began 13,000 years ago when the ice age ended. There was a major extinction at the time as the old age or era came to an end.

The Earth itself is around 5 billion years old. The universe is 13 billion years. So day one in Genesis was 8 billion years. Day two was 4 billion years, day three was 2 billion years, day four was 1 billion years, day 5 was 500,000,000 years and day six was 250,000,000 years. So you can do a google search and ask what we happening 4 billion years ago. The results will be very much the same as what we read in our Bible.

 

[Platte]

The only historian in our modern sense among the Bible authors was Luke. That makes the gospel of Luke and The Acts to be the only true historical writings in the Bible.

Even other gospels are not meant to be truly historical, for example many words of Jesus there are without any context or placed into various different contexts.

So you don’t think the Jewish people consider the Old Testament a Historical account of the Jewish people? Sorry if a redundant question.

 

[trophy33]

So you don’t think the Jewish people consider the Old Testament a Historical account of the Jewish people? Sorry if a redundant question.

It does not matter what somebody else considered. What matters is the real genre and origin. For example 150 songs we call psalms are not a historical account.

Real historical accounts are a relatively modern genre, hard to find before the ancient Greece. Narratives? Yes, but no real historians.

 

[Platte]

It does not matter what somebody else considered. What matters is the real genre and origin. For example 150 songs we call psalms are not a historical account.

Real historical accounts are a relatively modern genre, hard to find before the ancient Greece. Narratives? Yes, but no real historians.

The Bible was written by the Jewish people. It matters! The primary purpose of recording and passing down of the Torah and the Old Testament is to pass down the historical record to the descendants of the Jewish people so that they would know the history and the role that God plays in their history.

Psalms is a Historical account of songs that were written by one of the Jewish people’s first kings - David. Nothing unusual about that in a historical book. I’m sure recorded History of the 80s includes information about the music of the 80s

 

[trophy33]

The Bible was written by the Jewish people. It matters! The primary purpose of recording and passing down of the Torah and the Old Testament is to pass down the historical record to the descendants of the Jewish people so that they would know the history and the role that God plays in their history.

Psalms is a Historical account of songs that were written by one of the Jewish people’s first kings - David. Nothing unusual about that in a historical book. I’m sure recorded History of the 80s includes information about the music of the 80s

So, if Egyptians believed in their mythological accounts and genealogies being historical, does it mean they were? Nope.

Basically all ancient cultures mixed myths, sagas, legends, symbolism and facts to create a narrative. Historians in our modern, objective, examining and chronological sense did not exist till Greece.

 

[Platte]

So, if Egyptians believed in their mythological accounts and genealogies being historical, does it mean they were? Nope.

Basically all ancient cultures mixed myths, sagas, legends, symbolism and facts to create a narrative. Historians in our modern, objective, examining and chronological sense did not exist till Greece.

The only Historical documents we have of ancient Egypt and other ancient civilizations such as Mesopotamia are those written by those ancient Civilazations. You may not believe the narrative of the Bible but it was written by Moses and others Jewish leaders as a historical record and importantly to show Gods importance. Btw. The Bible is by far the leading historical reference used by modern Archeologist.

The Bible teaches the Earth was created in 6 days approximately 6000 years ago. If you think the Bible is a myth then you obviously simply don’t agree with the Bible’s teaching on this.

 

[trophy33]

but it was written by Moses

Most probably not.

as a historical record

Their concept of historical records differs from our modern one, significantly.

and importantly to show Gods importance.

Agreed.

Btw. The Bible is by far the leading historical reference used by modern Archeologist.

Hardly, considering its just about one small region of the world. But some names, places, events and cultural references can be useful for an archaeologist focusing on this region, why not.

The Bible teaches the Earth was created in 6 days approximately 6000 years ago.

No serious modern archaeologist uses the Bible in this way.

If you think the Bible is a myth then you obviously simply don’t agree with the Bible’s teaching on this.

Bible is not a myth, Bible literally exists. Its an ancient library of many books. It contains myths, sagas, legends, dramas, songs, proverbs, narratives, prophecies, apocalyptic literature, historical literature (namely gospels and Acts), letters to churches etc.

 

[d taylor]

Exodus 20:11….timeline established

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For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

That is right in those 6 days God as the verse states made the earth(and heavens). This means God made the earth, Exodus 20:11 is not saying God created the earth. Made is a different word than create. God made the earth for humans to occupy from the original earth God created in Genesis 1:1.

The heavens God created in Genesis 1:1 did not have a sun, moon and stars, but the heavens God made in Genesis 1:3 to 1:31. God made a sun, moon and stars

Create in Hebrew is
bara': choose
Original Word: בָּרָא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: bara'
Phonetic Spelling: (baw-raw')
Definition: to shape, create

Made in Hebrew is
asah: accomplish
Original Word: עָשָׂה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: asah
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-saw')
Definition: do, make

 

[Platte]

So, if Egyptians believed in their mythological accounts and genealogies being historical, does it mean they were? Nope.

Basically all ancient cultures mixed myths, sagas, legends, symbolism and facts to create a narrative. Historians in our modern, objective, examining and chronological sense did not exist till Greece.

Ok now you are saying the Bible is not Historically accurate. No problem.

I don’t have an opinion on creation. I do believe what the Bible teaches us and
the Bible teaches the earth was created in 6 days approx 6000 years ago.

 

[Platte]

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For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

That is right in those 6 days God as the verse states made the earth(and heavens). This means God made the earth, Exodus 20:11 is not saying God created the earth. Made is a different word than create. God made the earth for humans to occupy from the original earth God created in Genesis 1:1.

The heavens God created in Genesis 1:1 did not have a sun, moon and stars, but the heavens God made in Genesis 1:3 to 1:31. God made a sun, moon and stars

Create in Hebrew is
bara': choose
Original Word: בָּרָא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: bara'
Phonetic Spelling: (baw-raw')
Definition: to shape, create

Made in Hebrew is
asah: accomplish
Original Word: עָשָׂה
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: asah
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-saw')
Definition: do, make

That’s a new one for me. Havnt heard of that before. Hmmmm so Genesis 1 says God created great whales and then says He made cattle. What would be the difference between creating cattle and making cattle?

 

[trophy33]

Ok now you are saying the Bible is not Historically accurate.

Bible is an ancient library of many various texts. It contains myths, sagas, legends, dramas, songs, proverbs, narratives, prophecies, apocalyptic literature, historical literature (namely gospels and Acts), letters to churches etc.

Some texts are historically accurate (like those of Luke), some are mixed with narratives, myths, legends, like Genesis. Some are dramas (like Genesis 1, Job or Jonah), some are a pure poetry (like Psalms). Hardly any statement can be made that applies to the whole Bible, because of the variability in it.

I do believe what the Bible teaches us and
the Bible teaches the earth was created in 6 days approx 6000 years ago.

In that case you believe Bible teaches wrong things. Like somebody can believe Bible teaches the flat earth or something. Cultural references are not teachings. Bible teaches theology and ethics, not cosmology, cosmogony, history, geology, physics or anatomy.

 

[d taylor]

That’s a new one for me. Havnt heard of that before. Hmmmm so Genesis 1 says God created great whales and then says He made cattle. What would be the difference between creating cattle and making cattle?

The verses state the different. Genesis 1:21 uses bara and Genesis 1:25 uses asah

Genesis 1:24 states the beast were made from the earth “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind:
And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind,

The sea creatures Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures,
There is no mention of God using the earth in the creation of sea creatures.
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind,

Just like Adam his body was made (from the earth), but his soul/life was created by God.

 

[Platte]

Bible is an ancient library of many various texts. It contains myths, sagas, legends, dramas, songs, proverbs, narratives, prophecies, apocalyptic literature, historical literature (namely gospels and Acts), letters to churches etc.

Some texts are historically accurate (like those of Luke), some are mixed with narratives, myths, legends, like Genesis. Some are dramas (like Genesis 1, Job or Jonah), some are a pure poetry (like Psalms). Hardly any statement can be made that applies to the whole Bible, because of the variability in it.


In that case you believe Bible teaches wrong things. Like somebody can believe Bible teaches the flat earth or something. Cultural references are not teachings. Bible teaches theology and ethics, not cosmology, cosmogony, history, geology, physics or anatomy.

There is nothing in the reading of Genesis that would make me conclude that Genesis is a myth or anything other than a Historical account of Creation, the Flood, The Tower of Babel, Abraham, Slavery in Egypt, and the account of Moses. The extreme details provided are clearly written to provide a Historical account and are within recorded History as we know it. The creation details as written in Genesis also align with the purpose of why God even created us (To establish His kingdom with those that accept Christ). Debate on Creation is interesting for sure.

 

[trophy33]

There is nothing in the reading of Genesis that would make me conclude that Genesis is a myth

Genesis is not a myth, Genesis literally exists. Genesis contains myths, though, like the mythological drama of creation, Flood, Tower of Babel etc.

or anything other than a Historical account of Creation, the Flood, The Tower of Babel, Abraham, Slavery in Egypt, and the account of Moses.

"historical" - let us realize our concept of objective, cold, factual history did not exist in the times the book of Genesis is from.

The extreme details provided are clearly written to provide a Historical account and are within recorded History as we know it.

Thats not how you judge whether something is a literal history or not. Mythological history is written to look like it happened, with various details like numbers. Those numbers are frequently obviously symbolic though (7, 40...).

It may also incorporate real historical events, places or persons (like the Tower of Babel did exist in Babylon), but it does not mean every sentence is a precise historical record. Its frequently a mixture, like legends.

The creation details as written in Genesis also align with the purpose of why God even created us (To establish His kingdom with those that accept Christ). Debate on Creation is interesting for sure.

There are no creation details in Genesis. If you think that two chapters are details of creation, then try to buy a scientific book about our universe and compare. You will see the mythological nature of Genesis and the difference in genres quite quickly.

 

[Platte]

Genesis is not a myth, Genesis literally exists. Genesis contains myths, though, like the mythological drama of creation, Flood, Tower of Babel etc.

Not sure why you keep saying that. It is implied when I say Genesis is not a myth I’m referring to the details written within it. Genesis is not a myth (the information written in Genesis). Genesis as is the complete Torah is a historical account by Moses to the Jewish people

"historical" - let us realize our concept of objective, cold, factual history did not exist in the times the book of Genesis is from.

Of course recorded history existed at that that time. The Torah is recorded history. The Jews at the time certainly wrote it as history to pass down the generations and the recipients of the Torah certainly accepted it as a historical record.

Thats not how you judge whether something is a literal history or not. Mythological history is written to look like it happened, with various details like numbers. Those numbers are frequently obviously symbolic though (7, 40...).

You have no basis to infer that God gave Moses a mythical account of creation.and the beginnings of the Jewish people and then Moses continued with a mythical account of his life and the that of the exodus. No logic that God would give Moses a mythical account and there is nothing in the writing that shows intent other than a historical record

It may also incorporate real historical events, places or persons (like the Tower of Babel did exist in Babylon), but it does not mean every sentence is a precise historical record. Its frequently a mixture, like legends.


There are no creation details in Genesis. If you think that two chapters are details of creation, then try to buy a scientific book about our universe and compare. You will see the mythological nature of Genesis and the difference in genres quite quickly.

What scientifically or historically refuted creation as written is Genesis?

 

[Platte]

The verses state the different. Genesis 1:21 uses bara and Genesis 1:25 uses asah

Genesis 1:24 states the beast were made from the earth “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind:
And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind,

The sea creatures Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures,
There is no mention of God using the earth in the creation of sea creatures.
So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind,

Just like Adam his body was made (from the earth), but his soul/life was created by God.

Silly

 

[trophy33]

Not sure why you keep saying that.

Because you are still making this mistake, calling Bible or a book in it a myth.

Of course recorded history existed at that that time. The Torah is recorded history. The Jews at the time certainly wrote it as history to pass down the generations and the recipients of the Torah certainly accepted it as a historical record.

Its a mixture, mixing various genres, data and narratives. The further prehistory it is about, the more mythological elements it incorporates.

You have no basis to infer that God gave Moses a mythical account of creation

Sure, I do not claim it was written by Moses. Whoever wrote it or compiled it from various authors, produced a mythological drama (better to say Gen 1 is a mythological drama and Gen 2 is a mythological narrative), which is quite obvious - repetition of days, firmament, "lights", uncreated waters representing the chaos, dust, talking serpent, trees of xyz... This is not what a literal history looks like.

What scientifically or historically refuted creation as written is Genesis?

Astronomy, geology, biology...

 

[Platte]

Because you are still making this mistake, calling Bible or a book in it a myth.


Its a mixture, mixing various genres, data and narratives.


Sure, I do not claim it was written by Moses. Whoever wrote it or compiled it from various authors, produced a mythological drama (better to say Gen 1 is a mythological drama and Gen 2 is a mythological narrative), which is quite obvious - repetition of days, "lights", waters representing the chaos, dust, talking serpent, trees of xyz... This is not what a literal history looks like.

And why would God give us a mythical account of creation and not an actual account of His creation? Never mind I guess you are saying that it’s not even possible that God could have given us a historical account during that time.

Astronomy, geology, biology...

Not of that denies creation 6000 years ago.

 

[trophy33]

And why would God give us a mythical account of creation and not an actual account of His creation?

It was not given to us, it was given to ancient Israelites. We have science to determine the scientific reality, we do not need to get it from a bronze age literature.

Not of that denies creation 6000 years ago.

All of that denies the literal reading of Genesis 1 and 2, the global concept of the biblical flood and, indeed, a 6,000 years old creation.