How Old Is The Earth

[lismore]

Your American (evangelical?) idea of what the Bible is is very rare, globally. I do not understand the question.

Hello! I'm not an American, I have never been to America. I'm evangelical and a YEC. There are many outside the USA. God Bless You

 

[trophy33]

Hello! I'm not an American, I have never been to America. I'm evangelical and a YEC. There are many outside the USA. God Bless You

Was your YEC brought to you from the USA or did it originate in your country?

 

[BNR32FAN]

This specific thread is hardly a solid evidence for the global views of the Bible. Its called a social bubble.

Like the YEC or the Flat Earth or the KJVO are basically non-existent outside of the USA, so also this strange biblical subjective literalism is. And my guess is it’s spread only in some specific parts of the USA.

If by “global views” your including atheists and people of other religions who don’t believe in Jesus then I’d say yes they do share a common belief about the Bible that you do but I’ve been here on CF for 7 years now and I can’t think of a single person other than you who says that some of the book of the Bible didn’t come from God. Last time I check was about 2 years ago I think and I had over 17,000 posts here on CF so one would think that if the majority of Christians actually thought that certain book in the Bible weren’t actually inspired by God I would think I would’ve seen some sort of evidence of that by now. I’ve had many claim that certain passages aren’t intended to be taken literally and that they are metaphorical but that’s not the same as saying that they were not the result of divine inspiration. What your actually saying is extremely rare in Christianity.

 

[lismore]

Was your YEC brought to you from the USA or did it originate in your country?

There were YEC believers in Great Britain before there was a USA! For example James Ussher: James Ussher - Wikipedia

God Bless You

 

[trophy33]

There were YEC believers in Great Britain before there was a USA! For example James Ussher: James Ussher - Wikipedia

God Bless You

I mean the modern era YEC, after we know the scientific age of the universe. Not in the middle ages. Where did the idea that you should ignore our modern information and stick to the literal reading of Genesis come from to you?

 

[trophy33]

If by “global views” your including atheists and people of other religions who don’t believe in Jesus then I’d say yes they do share a common belief about the Bible that you do but I’ve been here on CF for 7 years now and I can’t think of a single person other than you who says that some of the book of the Bible didn’t come from God. Last time I check was about 2 years ago I think and I had over 17,000 posts here on CF so one would think that if the majority of Christians actually thought that certain book in the Bible weren’t actually inspired by God I would think I would’ve seen some sort of evidence of that by now. I’ve had many claim that certain passages aren’t intended to be taken literally and that they are metaphorical but that’s not the same as saying that they were not the result of divine inspiration. What your actually saying is extremely rare in Christianity.

The YEC is taught only in very few denominations and most of them are in or from the USA.

Regarding the rest, you have a habit to be very imprecise in your representation of what I say.

Also, definitions differ. God's words or inspiration can mean various things for various people. Do not automatically suppose that people agree with you just because they use the same term. Those terms are from the Bible, so its logical people will use them. But your specific usage of of them is very rare, globally.

 

[lismore]

I mean the modern era YEC, after we know the scientific age of the universe. Not in the middle ages.

The Middle Ages ended in 1500. James Ussher lived in the Modern era. There have been YECs consistently in Great Britain for hundreds of years until now. When did you know the 'scientific age of the universe'? Do 'scientists' even have an agreed figure now? God Bless You

 

[lismore]

The YEC is only in very few denominations and most of them are in or from the USA.

That's complete rubbish! God Bless You

 

[trophy33]

The Middle Ages ended in 1500. James Ussher lived in the Modern era.

Oh, sorry, so the 16th century.

There have been YECs consistently in Great Britain for hundreds of years until now.

Sad.

When did you know the 'scientific age of the universe'?

Not sure what you mean by "when".

Do 'scientists' even have an agreed figure now?

Yes. Does the Bible have an agreed figure now?

 

[trophy33]

That's complete rubbish! God Bless You

Feel free to name denominations teaching the YEC outside of the USA.

 

[lismore]

Not sure what you mean by "when".

I mean the modern era YEC, after we know the scientific age of the universe.

You said there's a modern era YEC after 'we know the scientific age of the universe'. So when does this 'modern era YEC' begin? What date? When did it begin?

Yes. Does the Bible have an agreed figure now?

Kindly read the article I sent you about James Ussher. That was his work. God Bless You

 

[trophy33]

You said there's a modern era YEC after 'we know the scientific age of the universe'. So when does this 'modern era YEC' begin? What date? When did it begin?

19th century, Seventh Day Adventism

Kindly read the article I sent you about James Ussher. That was his work. God Bless You

Do you know that the Septuagint and the Massoretic texts have different numbers when you sum their genealogies? By thousands of years different. Science can correct itself, but how can you correct two different Bibles?

Ussher is irrelevant, just one guy who summed something. Its not a denomination and it has never been an official teaching in his own church he was a member of.

 

[lismore]

Feel free to name denominations teaching the YEC outside of the USA.

Baptists for one. Here's an article on John Smyth the founder of the organized Baptists. You will note that the English Baptists influenced the later Bible believing groups in the USA, not the other way round: John Smyth | Puritan leader, Separatist, Dissenter

19th century, Seventh Day Adventism

There were definitely YECs in Britain before the 19th century and definitely YECs after that. There isn't a watershed in the 19th century where YEC believers suddenly appear. And the idea of YEC was promoted in Britain before there was any USA. YEC is not an idea that originated in the USA, although many American believers are YECs.

Ussher is irrelevant, just one guy who summed something. Its not a denomination and it was never an official teaching in his own church he was a member of.

James Ussher was the primate of all Ireland. You'll find that in the article. Young Earth Creationism was the dominant view in the church at that time. Even William Shakespeare wrote in the play 'As you Like it' - The poor world is almost 6,000 years old.

I would propose to you that you can't easily open up the Bible and get Old Earth or any Ape-man theories. It's based on external pressures and ideas. Please look here:

Exodus 20:1 And God spoke all these words........... 8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

This week was at the beginning of Creation according to the Lord Jesus Christ:

Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning of Creation He ‘made them male and female,’ (Matthew 19:4).

God himself speaking in the Ten Commandments clearly says that our seven day week is based on the seven days of creation. That's the origin of the seven day week. If you don't think that the seven days of creation are seven literal days then go on yourself and make your next week seven thousand years or seven billion years or whatever you want to read into the text. See if you can hold down a job without taking the YEC position as literal.

If you want to say that YEC is merely an American or a 19th Century idea then I have clearly shown to you that YEC is a biblical idea and an idea taught by church leaders that predates the United States or the 19th Century. God Bless You

 

[BNR32FAN]

The YEC is taught only in very few denominations and most of them are in or from the USA.

Regarding the rest, you have a habit to be very imprecise in your representation of what I say.

Also, definitions differ. God's words or inspiration can mean various things for various people. Do not automatically suppose that people agree with you just because they use the same term. Those terms are from the Bible, so its logical people will use them. But your specific usage of of them is very rare, globally.

I’d be willing to bet that you’re a libertarian. It’s the way your arguments skirt around the issue that gives it away.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's complete rubbish! God Bless You

Yeah YEC and OEC isn’t even a denominational issue. I’m not aware of any denominations that require any particular stance on this topic.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes. Does the Bible have an agreed figure now?

Actually yes it does and it hasn’t changed once since the day it was written 3,500 years ago.

 

[BNR32FAN]

19th century, Seventh Day Adventism

I fail to understand how a YEC “modern era” can even exists for a theology that has existed nonstop for 3:500 years. The “merdern era” of YEC is still the exact same YEC that Moses wrote. Whats modern about it?

 

[BNR32FAN]

19th century, Seventh Day Adventism


Do you know that the Septuagint and the Massoretic texts have different numbers when you sum their genealogies? By thousands of years different. Science can correct itself, but how can you correct two different Bibles?

Ussher is irrelevant, just one guy who summed something. Its not a denomination and it has never been an official teaching in his own church he was a member of.

How do you correct two different bibles? So let me ask you this, if I were to translate the US Constitution into Spanish and made errors while doing so how would you go about detecting and correcting those errors? I’m really at a loss of words right now. Your reasoning is completely baffling.

 

[Diamond72]

Yall should’ve brought a cake or something.

I talk about that a lot. I think the 2000 year anniversary of the church is on Pentecost 2029. So we should buy a cake and celebrate. Or we could have a party on the beginning of Passover to watch the death asteroid and it's narrow miss of the earth. Lots of excitement that year. I think the comet is going to hit the earth in 2036. NASA just does not want people to panic.

Luke 21:25 "“There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea."

 

[Diamond72]

Like I've said from the beginning. The Bible teaches us that the Earth (and the whole Universe) was created in 6 days

Moses in Psalm 90 verse 2 tells us they were everlasting days. Does your dictionary define the word everlasting as a 24 hour day? I heard about an endless summer but never an endless day.

I Will Sing of His Love Forever
…1A prayer of Moses the man of God. Lord, You have been our dwelling place through all generations. 2Before the mountains were born or You brought forth the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting You are God.