How Old is the Earth?

[dlamberth]

Having reason the link I still have to disagree with your assessment.

I read the link and there were many mentions that make my points valid.

The author does not seem to like it but the events happening at MSH do back the biblical theory of geological formation.

What point are you talking about?

 

[BNR32FAN]

There would have been no decay at the time the isotope was formed.

Unless it was created with decay.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Then you're not doing science and further discussion will be unproductive. If you can ad hoc any rationalization you want, we're not on an even playing field.

I agree, my beliefs aren’t based on science they’re based on faith in God’s word.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The problem with the appearance of age is we don't observe it. We observe the appearance of history. To analogize it to Adam, it would be as if he were created with a healed ulna that he broke when he never fell out of a tree, a scar from an appendix he never had removed and layers of enamel growth on his permanent teeth than never formed.

Or being created with hair & fingernails that never actually grew?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Was there a Captain Ahab? Was there a whale they called Moby Dick? It doesn't really matter des it? There is still truth to be learned about friendship, duty, death, obsession, courage, etc. The authors of Genesis 1 & 2 were inspired to reflect on creation and in their own way made the points that creation is intentional, good, orderly and the work of a divine force beyond our imagining. I do not need to believe creation was 6,000 years ago.

I feel like that is the difference between reading the word of God and believing it.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I’m afraid that doesn’t cut it.
Here is another example of the periodic table expressed in terms of the astrophysical origins of the elements.

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Stars can only fuse nuclei up to atomic number 26 Fe (iron), the rest of the remaining naturally occurring elements is through slow and rapid neutron capture which is the majority.
Given that manmade ²³⁹Pu is produced in nuclear reactors when ²³⁸U captures neutrons is the next best thing to being there so to speak that it also occurs in nature.

If it is created in trace amounts this would suggest there are practically no neutrons available for capture by ²³⁸U which doesn’t make sense given the large number of other elements which are formed by neutron capture.
Therefore the earth must be considerably older than 6000 years in order for ²³⁹Pu to decay to trace amounts.

I’m not going to pretend to fully understand what you’re saying but it seems like you’re saying that all of the elements had to begin at the same state and be subjected to the same exposure over time. I don’t see why they couldn’t have been created just the way they are now if that’s what God intended.

 

[USincognito]

I've answered this probably half a dozen times already. Read some of my other responses please

I don't do wild goose chases. If you think one of your posts sufficiently answers what has been a persistent and vexing problem for YECism, then link to it and I'll address the content.

 

[USincognito]

Unless it was created with decay.

Again, you're not doing science so we have nothing further to discuss about it.

I agree, my beliefs aren’t based on science they’re based on faith in God’s word.

See above.

Or being created with hair & fingernails that never actually grew?

You're "this" close to getting the point.

 

[Michael Snow]

The Bible gives us no information from which to gauge the age of Earth. Age "In the beginning" and age of man are separated by unanswerable questions In The Beginning

 

[sjastro]

I’m not going to pretend to fully understand what you’re saying but it seems like you’re saying that all of the elements had to begin at the same state and be subjected to the same exposure over time. I don’t see why they couldn’t have been created just the way they are now if that’s what God intended.

I commend you on your honesty in admitting there are aspects you don't understand unlike others who take it a personal affront and try to destroy your credibility and reputation in the process.

Elements did not begin in the same state.
The first elements to form before the formation of stars were hydrogen, helium, and trace amounts of lithium and beryllium.
Heavier elements were formed later through mechanisms such as cosmic ray fragmentation, fusion in stellar cores and finally through slow and rapid capture of neutrons.

One of the objectives of the JWST mission is to detect Population III stars which are earliest stars formed only from primeval hydrogen and helium.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The Bible gives us no information from which to gauge the age of Earth. Age "In the beginning" and age of man are separated by unanswerable questions In The Beginning

They’re separated by 6 days

 

[BNR32FAN]

I commend you on your honesty in admitting there are aspects you don't understand unlike others who take it a personal affront and try to destroy your credibility and reputation in the process.

Elements did not begin in the same state.
The first elements to form before the formation of stars were hydrogen, helium, and trace amounts of lithium and beryllium.
Heavier elements were formed later through mechanisms such as cosmic ray fragmentation, fusion in stellar cores and finally through slow and rapid capture of neutrons.

One of the objectives of the JWST mission is to detect Population III stars which are earliest stars formed only from primeval hydrogen and helium.

We just see things from two polar opposites perspectives my friend. You see origins from a scientific standpoint and I see them from a biblical standpoint. We just don’t have enough information to rule out either one of these possibilities

 

[Pommer]

They’re separated by 6 days

We now know what causes the diurnal cycle, (the rotation of Gaia on her axis), the “daylight” being when that aspect of the planet is facing Sol; night when that aspect of the planet faces away from Sol.
According to Genesis Sol was not “created” until the fourth day.
Whence cometh the “days” that preceded Sol?

 

[AV1611VET]

Whence cometh the “days” that preceded Sol?

One rotation of the earth on its axis.

Sun or no sun.

 

[Pommer]

One rotation of the earth on its axis.

Sun or no sun.

How does one “determine” this without a sidereal-day?

 

[AV1611VET]

How does one “determine” this without a sidereal-day?

God determined it.

When He saw the earth rotate once, He declared it the "first day."

 

[Pommer]

God determined it.

When He saw the earth rotate once, He declared it the "first day."

Why was it important to God when/if a “day” had occurred?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why was it important to God when/if a “day” had occurred?

He used the six days [and day of rest] as a template for the work week.

Even incorporating them into the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God could have spoken the entire universe into existence in a split second.

But He took His time on purpose.

 

[Pommer]

He used the six days [and day of rest] as a template for the work week.

Even incorporating them into the Ten Commandments.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

God could have spoken the entire universe into existence in a split second.

But He took His time on purpose.

Why did “God” need “rest”?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why did “God” need “rest”?

Not THAT kind of rest.

THIS kind of rest:

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Joshua 11:23 So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the LORD said unto Moses; and Joshua gave it for an inheritance unto Israel according to their divisions by their tribes. And the land rested from war.

It means He ceased.

Why did He cease?

He was finished with His work.