How Old is the Earth?

[AV1611VET]

How about God creating an earth what we actually see with a very long evolved history?

Empiricism is what got Eve into trouble.

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw ...

 

[Pommer]

Empiricism is what got Eve into trouble.

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw ...

Too bad God gave her eyes and “free-will” (that she was apparently not “allowed” to use).

 

[BeyondET]

It is not. It is based on the actual cosmological model that fits the data. It's also not 370,000 year of inflation. It is 370,000 years of Big Bang expansion *AFTER* inflation ends.

It would not fit the cosmological model and the data.

Pure speculation.

First tell me what dark energy is. If it is a "vacuum energy", then no, that is not possible.

Yes sorry I had it the opposite.

Either way
I haven't read about data on the cosmic inflation and how its known to be a period of 370,000. Mostly it's completely unknown from what ive read. You got a link to the data I can view. James Webb is the most advanced has it measured data beyond the end of the inflation into the period between?

That's one of the mystery of dark energy. The force it has on normal matter is unknown rather its a vacuum or a new gravity that is stronger then the gravity that physical matter produces. Learning more about dark energy and matter will eventually require new physics understandings.

 

[AV1611VET]

Too bad God gave her eyes and “free-will” (that she was apparently not “allowed” to use).

God always gives us a choice between life and death.

Deuteronomy 30:19a I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing:

Along with a plea to make the right choice.

Deuteronomy 30:19b ... therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Adam & Eve were no different.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes sorry I had it the opposite.

That's OK.

Either way
I haven't read about data on the cosmic inflation and how its known to be a period of 370,000.

OK (but it is 370,000 years after the start of the Big Bang expansion to recombination, not 370,000 years of inflation.)

Mostly it's completely unknown from what ive read. You got a link to the data I can view.

There are ways of peering back before recombination, but not using photons. Primordial gravitational waves, relic neutrinos. The raw data isn't going to do you any good without the understanding of the cosmological models and the instrumentation.

James Webb is the most advanced has it measured data beyond the end of the inflation into the period between?

So far JWST has seen galaxies back to about 300-500 million years after the Big Bang, well after recombination. The CMB shows us that the universe was quite smooth at 370,000 years old (1 part in 100,000 fluctuations, as I recall). It takes time for gravity to grow those small fluctuations into structure and stars to form.

That's one of the mystery of dark energy. The force it has on normal matter is unknown rather its a vacuum or a new gravity that is stronger then the gravity that physical matter produces. Learning more about dark energy and matter will eventually require new physics understandings.

The simplest model for dark energy is a constant ensity of "vacuum" energy. There are a few hints otherwise, but nothing solid yet.

 

[BeyondET]

That's OK.


OK (but it is 370,000 years after the start of the Big Bang expansion to recombination, not 370,000 years of inflation.)

There are ways of peering back before recombination, but not using photons. Primordial gravitational waves, relic neutrinos. The raw data isn't going to do you any good without the understanding of the cosmological models and the instrumentation.



So far JWST has seen galaxies back to about 300-500 million years after the Big Bang, well after recombination. The CMB shows us that the universe was quite smooth at 370,000 years old (1 part in 100,000 fluctuations, as I recall). It takes time for gravity to grow those small fluctuations into structure and stars to form.

The simplest model for dark energy is a constant ensity of "vacuum" energy. There are a few hints otherwise, but nothing solid yet.

There's not many instruments mostly optical radio and spectro scopes. I certainly would read some more info on other instruments able to peer back before recombination.

Primordial gravitational waves at the wall is still a hypothesis the signal is to weak to know what's producing it.

Faint gravitational waves may be from primordial fractures in space-time

The early universe may have been such a violent place that space-time itself fractured like a pane of glass, releasing gravitational waves that astronomers say we may have already detected.

www.space.com

Though measuring pulsar timing seems logical it's an accurate time keeper. European pulsar timing array is an instrument that studies them. Quite a few facilities have been built but no GW have been found beyond earth yet, the search continues for distant GW.

Gravitational Waves - The European Pulsar Timing Array - EPTA

Gravitational wave detection using pulsars The European Pulsar Timing Array - EPTA

www.epta.eu.org

 

[dlamberth]

God always gives us a choice between life and death.

With empiricism, I don't know of any other way to admire the beauty of this Creation.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

The age geology gives us is really beyond our imagination. It is almost like mystery still. Billions of years, would could that even be like when our own span is about 70 years? I can see why someone might opt to believe in 6,000 years. It is graspable. But then God is beyond our grasp.

 

[dwb001]

The age geology gives us is really beyond our imagination. It is almost like mystery still. Billions of years, would could that even be like when our own span is about 70 years? I can see why someone might opt to believe in 6,000 years. It is graspable. But then God is beyond our grasp.

But all that geological evidence of a young Earth is hard to deny.

Just look at the experiment going on at Spirit Lake.

 

[dwb001]

What evidence is that?

Your answer is in the part of the message you removed.

 

[dlamberth]

But all that geological evidence of a young Earth is hard to deny.

Just look at the experiment going on at Spirit Lake.

Sorry, there is NO geological evidence of a young Earth. It just doesn't exist.

Spirit Lake is a feature of volcanic eruption activity. Though fairly young as Cascade Volcano's go of 40,000 years, Mt. St Helens is still way older than 6000 years. Below is a pretty good article from a Christian web site showing that Mt. St. Helens teaches us almost nothing about Noah's flood. Living in the Portland area, my than soon to be wife and I watched the eruption. It was pretty amazing.

What does Mt St Helens teach us about Noah’s flood? Almost nothing.

 

[dwb001]

Sorry, there is NO geological evidence of a young Earth. It just doesn't exist.

Spirit Lake is a feature of volcanic eruption activity. Though fairly young as Cascade Volcano's go of 40,000 years, Mt. St Helens is still way older than 6000 years. Below is a pretty good article from a Christian web site showing that Mt. St. Helens teaches us almost nothing about Noah's flood. Living in the Portland area, my than soon to be wife and I watched the eruption. It was pretty amazing.

What does Mt St Helens teach us about Noah’s flood? Almost nothing.

So coal formation and rock stratification are nothing.

I differ in opinion.

 

[Pommer]

What? Spirit Lake?

Did you “mean” to quote your own post?

 

[Astrophile]

So coal formation and rock stratification are nothing.

I differ in opinion.

If you read What does Mt St Helens teach us about Noah’s flood? Almost nothing. , you will find that it explains why the stratification of the pyroclastic flow deposits at Mt. St. Helens and the floating trees of Spirit Lake are not evidence for flood geology. The article does not say that the stratification and the floating trees are not geologically significant.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Staff Edit

NO. Not even wrong.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Did you “mean” to quote your own post?

Good grief! I need a vacation. Bowing out of this thread especially.

Thanks

 

[dwb001]

If you read What does Mt St Helens teach us about Noah’s flood? Almost nothing. , you will find that it explains why the stratification of the pyroclastic flow deposits at Mt. St. Helens and the floating trees of Spirit Lake are not evidence for flood geology. The article does not say that the stratification and the floating trees are not geologically significant.

Having reason the link I still have to disagree with your assessment.

I read the link and there were many mentions that make my points valid.

The author does not seem to like it but the events happening at MSH do back the biblical theory of geological formation.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Having reason the link I still have to disagree with your assessment.

I read the link and there were many mentions that make my points valid.

The author does not seem to like it but the events happening at MSH do back the biblical theory of geological formation.

Did Mt. St. Helens errupt in biblical times or something? (I kind of remember it happening. Am I as "old as dirt" now that I remember the times when miracles still happened?)

 

[Pommer]

Good grief! I need a vacation. Bowing out of this thread especially.

Thanks

It might not be you…the quote thingie seems off somehow.

 

[dlamberth]

So coal formation and rock stratification are nothing.

I differ in opinion.

But all that geological evidence of a young Earth is hard to deny.

You have yet to provided any geological evidence of a young Earth.

Just look at the experiment going on at Spirit Lake.

The debris found in Spirit Lake is evidence of a volcanic eruption that happened 43 years ago. That's all that is seen there these days. If we look deeper we see that the lake itself came into being about 4000 years ago as a result of previous eruptions.