How many people would go for this if they could?

[dingdong]

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It was more than likely written by a Muslim, very much like the Bible was written by Christians.

 

[sidhe]

What colonialism was there in Saudi or Afghanistan?

It was more than likely written by a Muslim.

Wow.

Just...wow.

1) Most of the middle east was under Colonial control at one time or another...look up "British Palestine," for example.

2) Dismissing something that proves you wrong because of a possible quality of the author of said article is illogical. Disprove the content, do not attack the author.

 

[Wicked Willow]

I've actually read some *scholarly* sources that cited Africa's indigenous religions as a reason for the slow industrial development there.

I was, like, what the <bleeeep>! Haven't these guys even BOTHERED to look at the way Western economies pretty much rape that continent to this day??? Politically speaking, colonialism may be a thing of the past, but economically speaking, it's never really ceased to be alive and kickin'.

One thing was interesting, though: these guys argued that most African indigenous cultures were decidedly communal, frowning upon individuals that store up wealth while their neighbours (or even relatives) go hungry. And they considered that a BAD thing! Honestly, just how messed up has our culture become if people start considering greed and short-sighted egotism to be not only virtuous, but pretty much essential to a functional society?
I just hope that either this financial crash or the next will wreck us to the point where even the man at the bus stop can no longer maintain the doublethink that's necessary to consider unbridled capitalism a good thing.

 

[Wicked Willow]

What colonialism was there in Saudi or Afghanistan?

Wikipedia is your friend: "During the nineteenth century, following the Anglo-Afghan wars (fought 1839–42, 1878–80, and lastly in 1919) and the ascension of the Barakzai dynasty, Afghanistan saw much of its territory and autonomy ceded to the United Kingdom. The UK exercised a great deal of influence, and it was not until King Amanullah Khan acceded to the throne in 1919 that Afghanistan re-gained complete independence over its foreign affairs."

Saudi Arabia is filthy rich, due to its oil reserves. And though it may not have been subject to European colonialism, vast portions of the Middle East and the Arabian peninsula were.

Sufficed to say, religion has never been all sweetness and light, it was a dark and dirty business for millions for a long long time, torture was usually the order of the day, if they could get you to confess your sins no matter what the cost was to your body your soul would benifit, which was the main thing.

Shifting the goal posts, are we?

 

[dingdong]

Wow.

Just...wow.

1) Most of the middle east was under Colonial control at one time or another...look up "British Palestine," for example.

Wow.
Just...wow
Who mentioned Palistine???

2) Dismissing something that proves you wrong because of a possible quality of the author of said article is illogical. Disprove the content, do not attack the author.

So far nothing has proved me wrong.

 

[sidhe]

Wow.
Just...wow
Who mentioned Palistine???

Colonialism - look it up. Most of the areas you mentioned were under it. Heck, some Irish would argue that they were victims of British colonialism.

So far nothing has proved me wrong.

Apart from that, y'know, you said you thought creativity stopped in the middle east after Islam, and y'know, you were wrong...

 

[dingdong]

Wikipedia is your friend: "During the nineteenth century, following the Anglo-Afghan wars (fought 1839&#8211;42, 1878&#8211;80, and lastly in 1919) and the ascension of the Barakzai dynasty, Afghanistan saw much of its territory and autonomy ceded to the United Kingdom. The UK exercised a great deal of influence, and it was not until King Amanullah Khan acceded to the throne in 1919 that Afghanistan re-gained complete independence over its foreign affairs."

At the time I believe half the world was red where Britain had influence or power.

Saudi Arabia is filthy rich, due to its oil reserves. And though it may not have been subject to European colonialism, vast portions of the Middle East and the Arabian peninsula were.
Shifting the goal posts, are we?

Saudi is filthy rich because the west can't do without it's oil.
No I didn't shift the goal posts I simply talked about how religions were once cruel and oppressive, I must say it's very strange how religious people never seem to want to talk about that, I wonder why?

 

[Wicked Willow]

At the time I believe half the world was red where Britain had influence or power.

Exactly. That's why they call it "The Colonial Age", you know?

No I didn't shift the goal posts I simply talked about how religions were once cruel and oppressive, I must say it's very strange how religious people never seem to want to talk about that, I wonder why?

That's still shifting the goal posts. (Oh, and me being numbered among the "religious people"? That's pretty hilarious!)

 

[sidhe]

That's still shifting the goal posts. (Oh, and me being numbered among the "religious people"? That's pretty hilarious!)

Truly, I find it hilarious that we're lumped in with Abrahamic monotheists in discussions with this bridge-dwelling entity.

I've found myself in sudden possession of two copies of Karlsson's qliphoth text. I'm wondering how dingdong would explain Karlsson's...daemonology? Maltheology? I'm not quite sure what term I would use for it...

 

[jpcedotal]

Yes my family, how about you?

U sure about that?

Why?

 

[Wicked Willow]

Truly, I find it hilarious that we're lumped in with Abrahamic monotheists in discussions with this bridge-dwelling entity.

I've found myself in sudden possession of two copies of Karlsson's qliphoth text. I'm wondering how dingdong would explain Karlsson's...daemonology? Maltheology? I'm not quite sure what term I would use for it...

A "holistic analysis of the Kabbalah focusing on the neglected/marginalized/demonized aspects", perhaps?
Or "working with the shadow archetype"?
"Sifting the cosmic landfill for gems and hidden treasures"?
"Transhumanist occultism"?

 

[sidhe]

A "holistic analysis of the Kabbalah focusing on the neglected/marginalized/demonized aspects", perhaps?
Or "working with the shadow archetype"?
"Sifting the cosmic landfill for gems and hidden treasures"?
"Transhumanist occultism"?

Hmm...I like "holistic analysis of the Kabbalah focusing on the demonized aspects as a source of shadow archetypes leading towards transhumanist occultism."

Mainly because it sounds better than "Karlsson explains why Lilith is awesome."

 

[hikersong]

Hey, Wicked, Sidhe...you're not trying to take this conversation out of the reach of us lesser mortals are you? Remember, some of us can't even understand simple words and concepts!

 

[SithDoughnut]

I think you have got that a little bit wrong, I think all of the creativity stopped when Islam came along,
I could be wrong perhaps someone with a better knowledge of the middle east could answer that one.

Really? Because Islam was definitely a major religion when the Middle East gave us algebra.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Saudi Arabia has only just arrived in the 20th century, India has more religions than you can shake a stick at and most of it's population are living in slums, Afghanistan was run by the Tali ban for the benefit of it's religion, Ireland was run by Catholicism.

And...

Religions have been responsible (or the people who were leading them) for more poverty and pain than most diseases.

[Citation needed]

Religions were there not to help people but to subjugate them,

[Citation needed]

slavery was backed by religions.

I can see this, but religion was far from the only reason, or even the main reason.

Religions were used to control people, read your history books.

First thing I've properly agreed with so far, although it has nothing to do with your actual point.

More people hated religion than loved it because they feared it, it could ruin their lives if they fell out with it.

And once again: [citation needed]

Feel free to actually give evidence in your reply. Seriously, you're currently looking worse than some of the fundies we have around here. If you're going to make claims like this, you really need to learn how to back them up.

 

[dingdong]

There is a God.

[citation needed]

 

[For_Crying_Out_Loud]

There is a God.

[citation needed]

There are lots of gods.

There is only one living God.

 

[ProScribe]

Its time to close this thread. . .Sending request to a moderator ~

 

[Gardenia]

There is a God.
[citation needed]

So what you're saying is that you can not bring any proof to back up your statements - the request, by the way, coming from another atheist - so instead you're going to change the topic, again.

Makes sense.

 

[Wicked Willow]

So what you're saying is that you can not bring any proof to back up your statements - the request, by the way, coming from another atheist - so instead you're going to change the topic, again.

Makes sense.

Noooo, it can't be another atheist! Whosoever disagrees with dingdong is OBVIOUSLY religious and believes in Santa Claus, too, haven't you noticed?

Ah, I know it is wrong to feed the troll like this, but... ah well, it IS fun, in a way. dingy's replies are barely worth reading, sure, as they pretty much just repeat the same stuff over and over without ever taking a single argument into consideration, but even such a one-sided conversation can be instructive to passersby.
The trick is not to let the troll bite you, IOW: don't let your emotions flare - unless it's mirth at the clumsy, deliberately offensive inaptness of the replies you get.