How many people would go for this if they could?

[b&wpac4]

How does one aquire the lable Atheists fundamentalist?
Is an Atheist fundamentalist someone who says 'there are no God's instead of saying 'I have no proof that there are no Gods so there just might be'?
because if they thought like that they would be Agnostics and not Atheists.

Someone who makes baseless claims, insults others who think differently than they do, try to perform character assassinations on others who simply think differently, and who has absolutely no intention of entering into an actual dialogue or bothers to read or listen to what others are saying.

 

[SithDoughnut]

How does one aquire the lable Atheists fundamentalist?
Is an Atheist fundamentalist someone who says 'there are no Gods' instead of saying 'I have no proof that there are no Gods so there just might be'?
because if they thought like that they would be Agnostics and not Atheists.

No they wouldn't. I am an agnostic atheist. I believe I've explained this to you before.

Gnosticism pertains to knowledge and can apply to everything, not just gods.

Theism pertains to the existence of god.

Therefore you end up with different types of belief:

1) Gnostic Theist: "I know that God exists"
2) Agnostic Theist: "I believe that God exists, but I can never be sure"
3) Agnostic: "I do not know if God does or does not exist"
4) Agnostic Atheist: "I believe that God does not exist, but I can never be sure"
5) Gnostic Atheist: "I know that God does not exist"

Obviously these groups are not as discrete as that, and it's more of a sliding scale than separate camps, but that's the general picture. Some of those who belong to group number 5 can be considered to be fundamentalist atheists.

 

[dingdong]

Someone who makes baseless claims,

You mean like religious people?

insults others who think differently than they do,
try to perform character assassinations on others who simply think differently,

So I insult religious people just by disagreeing with them and pointing out why they are wrong.

and who has absolutely no intention of entering into an actual dialogue or bothers to read or listen to what others are saying.

I always read everything they have written before I reply, it's just that some of the replies are just fantasies told to them by fellow believers and not even their own ideas.

 

[b&wpac4]

You mean like religious people?

So I insult religious people just by disagreeing with them and pointing out why they are wrong.

I always read everything they have written before I reply, it's just that some of the replies are just fantasies told to them by fellow believers and not even their own ideas.

Wow, this is the first time you actually replied to me using my words, and responding to the actual points I made!

How about trying this with every post instead of just saying "Religious people are so stupid, how can you believe this?"

 

[dingdong]

No they wouldn't. I am an agnostic atheist. I believe I've explained this to you before.

Gnosticism pertains to knowledge and can apply to everything, not just gods.

Theism pertains to the existence of god.

Therefore you end up with different types of belief:

1) Gnostic Theist: "I know that God exists"
2) Agnostic Theist: "I believe that God exists, but I can never be sure"
3) Agnostic: "I do not know if God does or does not exist"
4) Agnostic Atheist: "I believe that God does not exist, but I can never be sure"
5) Gnostic Atheist: "I know that God does not exist"

Obviously these groups are not as discrete as that, and it's more of a sliding scale than separate camps, but that's the general picture. Some of those who belong to group number 5 can be considered to be fundamentalist atheists.

You can nit pick all you like and call yourself anything that suits you, you believe whatever you want to believe and so shall I.
I am an Atheist, for me there are no Gods because Gods do not make sense.

 

[SithDoughnut]

You can nit pick all you like and call yourself anything that suits you, you believe whatever you want to believe and so shall I.
I am an Atheist, for me there are no Gods because Gods do not make sense.

Cool. Now if you'd like to stop claiming your belief is fact, then we can all stop calling you a fundie.

 

[dingdong]

Wow, this is the first time you actually replied to me using my words, and responding to the actual points I made!

How about trying this with every post instead of just saying "Religious people are so stupid, how can you believe this?"

I suppose that's it is it? no telling me I'm wrong? just a non answer.

 

[b&wpac4]

I suppose that's it is it? no telling me I'm wrong? just a non answer.

Wrong about what? You are entitled to your beliefs and ideas. I don't think you are stupid for having them. I just think it is foolish to believe you have all the answers, and people who think differently than you are all stupid people.

 

[dingdong]

Cool. Now if you'd like to stop claiming your belief is fact, then we can all stop calling you a fundie.

My belief is a fact until the people who claim otherwise can come up with the goods, sorry but that's how it works.

If I say Santa Claus is real then it's up to me to prove it, not you to disprove it.

 

[SithDoughnut]

My belief is a fact until the people who claim otherwise can come up with the goods, sorry but that's how it works.

Except that it isn't. Drop the arrogance and learn to accept that everything you know or believe could be wrong. Unless you like sounding like religious fundamentalists. You're certainly closer to them than you are to most atheists.

If you say Santa Claus does not exist, and that is a fact, you have to prove it too. Any claim requires evidence.

 

[dingdong]

I just think it is foolish to believe you have all the answers, and people who think differently than you are all stupid people.

I most certainly do not think I have all of the answers, I also don't pull Gods out of thin air to try and provide answers either, but I suppose it wouldn't do for us all to be the same would it? some can survive with what they have and others need a little help.

 

[dingdong]

My belief is a fact until the people who claim otherwise can come up with the goods, sorry but that's how it works.

If I say Santa Claus is real then it's up to me to prove it, not you to disprove it.

Except that it isn't. Drop the arrogance and learn to accept that everything you know or believe could be wrong. Unless you like sounding like religious fundamentalists. You're certainly closer to them than you are to most atheists.

So you don't agree that it's up to the person making the claim to prove that claim?
Would that be most Atheist you know or most Atheists?

I have always been an Atheist, I have never been anything else.

 

[b&wpac4]

I most certainly do not think I have all of the answers, I also don't pull Gods out of thin air to try and provide answers either, but I suppose it wouldn't do for us all to be the same would it? some can survive with what they have and others need a little help.

But you don't bother listening when we, of faiths of other than Christianity, explain patiently to you that we don't view our faith the same way. It's like you have this "Protestant Christianity" stamp and just stamp it over everything that isn't atheism.

 

[SithDoughnut]

So you don't agree that it's up to the person making the claim to prove that claim?

No I agree completely. It's just that you don't apply that rule correctly. Any claim requires evidence. If I said God exists, then I would need evidence. Likewise, if I said God does not exist, then I would require evidence.

As someone (I forget who) has in their signature "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

Would that be most Atheist you know or most Atheists?

Most atheists, or at least most vocal atheists.

 

[dingdong]

As someone (I forget who) has in their signature "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

So I can make the most outlandish claims possible and I am given the benefit of the doubt because my crazy claims can't be disproved?

 

[dingdong]

But you don't bother listening when we, of faiths of other than Christianity, explain patiently to you that we don't view our faith the same way. It's like you have this "Protestant Christianity" stamp and just stamp it over everything that isn't atheism.

I don't have anything against any one religion because I am against them all, "Protestant Christianity" just seems to be the most popular on this forum.

 

[SithDoughnut]

So I can make the most outlandish claims possible and I am given the benefit of the doubt because my crazy claims can't be disproved?

Who said you'd be given the benefit of the doubt? You're quite good at quoting posts, but you're not very good at reading them, apparently.

All claims require evidence. All claims that are not supported by evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

 

[b&wpac4]

I don't have anything against any one religion because I am against them all, "Protestant Christianity" just seems to be the most popular on this forum.

But this goes back to the basic problem. We discussed religious beliefs before, and you basically called me stupid for having a religious belief where I don't get anything given to me here or in the afterlife. Like my religion was a giant version of "Let's Make A Deal".

Perhaps you would like to back off that statement, or explain, in detail, why having a religious belief that doesn't give you a leg-up on everybody else is stupid.

I like my religion. I like the customs, I like the beliefs, I like the works of the Jewish sages and rabbis over the years. I don't believe this makes God like me any more than God likes you, or that I'll have front-row tickets to any sort of afterlife party. I simply want to do what I do.

 

[SithDoughnut]

But this goes back to the basic problem. We discussed religious beliefs before, and you basically called me stupid for having a religious belief where I don't get anything given to me here or in the afterlife. Like my religion was a giant version of "Let's Make A Deal".

Perhaps you would like to back off that statement, or explain, in detail, why having a religious belief that doesn't give you a leg-up on everybody else is stupid.

I like my religion. I like the customs, I like the beliefs, I like the works of the Jewish sages and rabbis over the years. I don't believe this makes God like me any more than God likes you, or that I'll have front-row tickets to any sort of afterlife party. I simply want to do what I do.

Ah, you forget that everything dingdong says is fact. Reality shapes itself around everything she says.

 

[b&wpac4]

Ah, you forget that everything dingdong says is fact. Reality shapes itself around everything she says.

And, see, mine is a case where I don't have to provide evidence for what I believe. I'm not trying to convince others to believe it, I simply believe it myself.