How many of you creationists...

[LightSeaker]

No --- in the first act of bloodshed, God killed [probably] a lamb and made clothing for them.

Why not just poof the clothing into existance like everything else? For God, there was no need to Kill?

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[Cabal]

And I've got more than 1200 times your post count --- so you have no idea what I've done here in the past.

Counted, I think.

I also happen to have a few more reps than you do --- and many of them have come from atheists and agnostics.

Were they complimenting you on your counting? Sorry, AV, but I don't buy this, given that you wave your post count around like it means something, when all it really consists of is mostly counting integers.

Get in the program --- the Bible says you're a "peculiar person" --- act like it.

What is it with this mentality that being abnormal is some kind of prerequisite to being an effective witness? I know we're meant to be in the world but not of it, etc - but even nonbelievers breathe oxygen and need water to survive. There is some commonality, so don't expect people to just automatically take up the creationist mantle just to be different.

 

[Cabal]

Why not just poof the clothing into existance like everything else? For God, there was no need to Kill?

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Don't you realise, God stopped his embedded clothing trick when we touched the magic entropy fruit. Makes sense to me!

 

[AV1611VET]

I toyed with the idea of joining some sect of Christianity however I just couldn't bring myself to join a group who's symbol is a guy nailed to two pieces of wood.

Try an empty tomb instead.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why not just poof the clothing into existance like everything else? For God, there was no need to Kill?

It's called typology --- something dying for sin, that something being a lamb, and ultimately ending up as Jesus, the Lamb of God, dying on the Cross for our sins.

 

[LightSeaker]

It's called typology --- something dying for sin, that something being a lamb, and ultimately ending up as Jesus, the Lamb of God, dying on the Cross for our sins.

Are you suggesting that from the very beginning that God has needs of blood sacrifices?

I think the belief of the God of the Jews needing blood to make Him happy is a hold over from the ancient middle-eastern War of God beliefs that was dominant in that area during those long-ago-time.

All that’s needed, really, is Love. Not Blood.

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[AV1611VET]

Were they complimenting you on your counting? Sorry, AV, but I don't buy this, given that you wave your post count around like it means something, when all it really consists of is mostly counting integers.

In the [ahem] few [cough] non-counting posts I've made --- who do these people know better --- me or you?

They may not agree with, or like, or understand what I believe --- but at least they know where I stand.*

And again, who do they prefer to converse with --- you or me?

* I'll admit, there are some issues I won't touch, but that's because I don't feel comfortable going there.

All I care to discuss in this forum is the Creation, the Flood, and Jesus Christ.

 

[Cabal]

In the [ahem] few [cough] non-counting posts I've made --- who do these people know better --- me or you?

They may not agree with, or like, or understand what I believe --- but at least they know where I stand.*

And again, who do they prefer to converse with --- you or me?

* I'll admit, there are some issues I won't touch, but that's because I don't feel comfortable going there.

All I care to discuss in this forum is the Creation, the Flood, and Jesus Christ.

Well, without going into details on the issues, I have no idea who "they" are and what "they" are talking about - all I'm saying is, if you want to be a bit more credible, talk about your [ahem] few [achoo] non-counting posts rather than quoting your entire post count, perhaps? Boy who cried wolf and all that....

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you suggesting that from the very beginning that God has needs of blood sacrifices?

Nope --- nothing died in the very beginning.

You're making it sound like, if Adam hadn't of sinned, then God would have been disappointed.

I think the belief of the God of the Jews needing blood to make Him happy is a hold over from the ancient middle-eastern War of God beliefs that was dominant in that area during those long-ago-time.

That's because you think blood made Him "happy".

And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

Instead, the Bible says he was "appeased" by the sprinkling of blood.

You want to make God "happy"?

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

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All that’s needed, really, is Love. Not Blood.

The Beatles aside --- try faith.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, without going into details on the issues, I have no idea who "they" are and what "they" are talking about - all I'm saying is, if you want to be a bit more credible, talk about your [ahem] few [achoo] non-counting posts rather than quoting your entire post count, perhaps? Boy who cried wolf and all that....

My countng posts are just as much a part of my post count as my non-counting posts.

It's true that if you remove all the counting posts, all the repeat posts, all the posts I've made in parties I've been invited to, and miscellaneous and sundry other posts, you'll have only a handful.

But they're just as welcome to peruse those as they are any others.

Just out of curiosity, Cabal, what would go through your mind, if someone shows up, reads just a few of your over 2700 posts, then says something like, "I don't like your style"?

 

[Cabal]

My countng posts are just as much a part of my post count as my non-counting posts.

It's true that if you remove all the counting posts, all the repeat posts, all the posts I've made in parties I've been invited to, and miscellaneous and sundry other posts, you'll have only a handful.

So cite the handful. No-one got saved counting integers, nor will anyone's mind be changed. Saying I HAVE OVER 9000 POSTS ph33r ME means nothing if your only significant posts totaled 10.

But they're just as welcome to peruse those as they are any others.

"Privacy statement in function, Searching has been disabled for this members's posts."

Just out of curiosity, Cabal, what would go through your mind, if someone shows up, reads just a few of your over 2700 posts, then says something like, "I don't like your style"?

You and me aren't comparable, AV, because I haven't been counting my way to a high post count. If I'm being utterly transparent - and I am - I would tell you to neglect a few hundred off that total as they were posts on mod boards, working reports etc, so not toward my actual debate contributions.

If it were a few posts - I'd maybe raise an eyebrow. It would depend if they were recent ones or not. But honestly, given how often we both repeat ourselves, why does someone need to read our entire post history (oh wait, I'm sorry, they can read mine if they want to because I didn't disable my history) to know where we're at?

Anyway, this isn't about me - there's plenty of points I've raised that you've yet to address yet....you can raise your post count even further, so there's an incentive there....

 

[AV1611VET]

"Privacy statement in function, Searching has been disabled for this members's posts."

Do you mind, please, trying it now and see if it works?

 

[LightSeaker]

The Beatles aside --- try faith.

Without Love, faith is dead. Love gives faith life and vitality.

But either way, Blood is not needed, unless of course one has a blood thirsty God.

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[Cabal]

Do you mind, please, trying it now and see if it works?

It does indeed. That's the spirit!

 

[AV1611VET]

Without Love, faith is dead. Love gives faith life and vitality.

--- I thought faith without works was dead.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

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But either way, Blood is not needed, unless of course one has a blood thirsty God.

Not "blood" --- "the Blood".

There's a difference.

If God was "bloodthirsty" --- He would not have sent Jesus Christ to die on the Cross.

He would have sent you.

 

[LightSeaker]

That's because you think blood made Him "happy".

Blood satisfied a need God is said to have had. If satisfying those blood needs does not bring a sense of happiness to the person demanding the blood, I don't know what will.

Instead, the Bible says he was "appeased" by the sprinkling of blood.

To be appeased does bring a sense of happiness.

ap·pease
tr.v. ap·peased, ap·peas·ing, ap·peas·es
1. To bring peace, quiet, or calm to; soothe.
2. To satisfy or relieve: appease one's thirst.
3. To pacify or attempt to pacify (an enemy) by granting concessions, often at the expense of principle.

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[AV1611VET]

It does indeed. That's the spirit!

Thank you --- now can we be friends again --- for Christ's sake?

 

[AV1611VET]

Blood satisfied a need God is said to have had. If satisfying those blood needs does not bring a sense of happiness to the person demanding the blood, I don't know what will.

To be appeased does bring a sense of happiness.

ap·pease
tr.v. ap·peased, ap·peas·ing, ap·peas·es
1. To bring peace, quiet, or calm to; soothe.
2. To satisfy or relieve: appease one's thirst.
3. To pacify or attempt to pacify (an enemy) by granting concessions, often at the expense of principle.

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Then use the word the Bible uses --- "propitiation".

 

[OldStyleBlues]

What language did Adam and Eve speak? For some reason I picture them with Fargo North Dakota Accents.

 

[Cabal]

Thank you --- now can we be friends again --- for Christ's sake?

I don't ever consider us not friends, even when we debate, AV.

But I'm pretty sure I barely contributed to this thread bar one post - and that may even have been against an atheist, for once. However, I check out my subscribed threads to find myself being lumped in with the sons of Sceva again. Sorry for overreacting perhaps, but....c'mon now.