Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
The big problem I have is with the snotty attitude of the OP, he assumes that we are all uneducated idiots if we disagree with him.
I may be an idiot, but it shouldn't be assumed until I prove it.
I was just wunderin how it'd feel to have the question reversed, thats all.
Can't science be questioned about moths? OK, now I know. I was polite.
Dude, I said do you believe evolution is a fact...not is it a fact or a theory.
.The prof didn't like it when I stood up in class and said, "But Doc! There are still white Peppered Moths in England."
Good for you.Its legit to reverse a question. Tho in general, the people who understand something are maybe a bit less to be questioned on their sources than those who dont, and are loaded with misinformation.
Regarding moth questions, actually i see your statement was this..
so you didnt actually stand up, but regardless, the quote SOUNDS like straight from a chick tract, and i think anyone would be annoyed by it as it sounds deliberately disruptive
A person paying attention anyway, should understand that a higher incidence of melanistic moths in a certain area would in no way mean the white ones would cease to exist throughout england.
"Science" can be questioned on anything of course. But tahts a different matter.
Out west here, a "dude' is a city slicker, male.
i believe evolution is real as rain. Does that answer?
Good for you.
The moth thing was presented as indicating a method of species development through natural selection. Since there were black and white moths before, and black and white moths after, and black and white moths are the same species, and no new species of moths developed as a result of the industrial revolution, I felt the question had to be raised. Not because I'm a rabid christian, but because a have a scientific scepticism. The question was raised because I'm a sceptic, not because I'm a christian. Does science fly out the window just because the topic is evolution?
Can you prevent all of the mosquitoes from reproducing?
I was just joking, sorry.
God loves mosquitoes, that's why he made so many of them.
Good for you.
The moth thing was presented as indicating a method of species development through natural selection. Since there were black and white moths before, and black and white moths after, and black and white moths are the same species, and no new species of moths developed as a result of the industrial revolution, I felt the question had to be raised. Not because I'm a rabid christian, but because a have a scientific scepticism. The question was raised because I'm a sceptic, not because I'm a christian. Does science fly out the window just because the topic is evolution?
What an odd question.Does science fly out the window just because the topic is evolution?
I get nervous when the ecosystems are tampered with, even for a very good reason.Ha, no worries. I've heard of a few scientists who want to try to eliminate varieties that carry malaria and related human diseases. I can't say I know many people who would be opposed to that.
I get nervous when the ecosystems are tampered with, even for a very good reason.
I guess you didnt much understand what was being presented.
The thing with the moths is that it is an easy example of how natural selection takes place.
Of course no new species developed! That is a long term thing, and different colour phases are typical of many animals of the same species.
The arctic fox in the aleutians never turns white in winter, for example.
A long period of genetic isolation is required for a different species to develop; if the ecample the aleutian foxes might eventually develope into a different species; but there would be lots of white foxes left on the mainland! So still black and white moths is really irrelevant.
The question if it was a question (it was not phrased as one) mostly showed you were several steps behind and had not grasped some of the most elementary basics of what evolution is about.
Person
What an odd question.
meh, I got a B.
I get nervous when the ecosystems are tampered with, even for a very good reason.
I guess you didnt much understand what was being presented.
The thing with the moths is that it is an easy example of how natural selection takes place.
Of course no new species developed! That is a long term thing, and different colour phases are typical of many animals of the same species.
The arctic fox in the aleutians never turns white in winter, for example.
A long period of genetic isolation is required for a different species to develop; if the ecample the aleutian foxes might eventually develope into a different species; but there would be lots of white foxes left on the mainland! So still black and white moths is really irrelevant.
The question if it was a question (it was not phrased as one) mostly showed you were several steps behind and had not grasped some of the most elementary basics of what evolution is about.
Hespera, do you know if there are any figures for how many generations it takes for an organism to speciate (I realize that's an absurdly broad question...)? I was under the impression that given the right conditions it could happen fairly quickly.
Im not very qualified to offer much on that other than a couple of thoughts.
Birds have very specialized courtship, both song and dance, and the least variation can prevent bteeding. If you have separated populations they might in a few generations cease to interbreed.
Another contributor would be some open habitat to exploit, darwins finches being a famous example.
We artificially "speciated" a lot of domestic plants and animals into very distinct types, in a pretty short time.
Walnut flies are another pretty good example of prezygotic barriers causing speciation. Just curious if I was off in my thinking.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?