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You don't need a brain to think. You need a brain to speak with your mouth and communicate your thoughts to someone's ears who needs a brain to hear your words but you do not need a brain to think. You think and reason with your soul and your spirit. God communicates His thoughts via the Spirit.
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Nathan Poe
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Because people do nothing without something in it for them -- What some people call a "free gift," others call a carrot at the end of a stick.
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I have!
I have a bachelor of science degree from a college of natural resources (University of Wisconsin). Biology courses were "encouraged." I must have had an old textbook because it taught Haeckel's law with pictures proving it. I remained skeptical.
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The prof didn't like it when I stood up in class and said, "But Doc! There are still white Peppered Moths in England."
What's really interesting is that the bird responsible for eating the moths were called "Great [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]." Seriously, they were. I find natural resources fascinating.
Of course, bats eat moths too. And bats being blind as, you know, bats, don't really care what color the moths are. (Bats aren't really blind, but pretty much everything is dark at night)
Bats feed at night. I'm just sayin'
What's really interesting is that the bird responsible for eating the moths were called "Great [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]." Seriously, they were. I find natural resources fascinating.
Of course, bats eat moths too. And bats being blind as, you know, bats, don't really care what color the moths are. (Bats aren't really blind, but pretty much everything is dark at night)
Bats feed at night. I'm just sayin'
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Interesting quote:
"If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?"
I have a corollary:
If a Christian finds a biologist mistaken in the field of biology, concerning moths or embryology, or any other matter, how will the Christian believe the biologist when he speaks confidently about matters that happened millions of years ago, presumably before the biologist was even born?
I suggest humility, on both sides.
"If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?"
I have a corollary:
If a Christian finds a biologist mistaken in the field of biology, concerning moths or embryology, or any other matter, how will the Christian believe the biologist when he speaks confidently about matters that happened millions of years ago, presumably before the biologist was even born?
I suggest humility, on both sides.
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No matter how foolish and wrong a christian is about matters of biology, it does not affect the truth of the bible, in the least.
It does tho sometimes bring into question how much thinking ability the person has, when they will believe any wild thing about, say, proof that evolution is a fake.
and... just curious... did you really stand up and say 'but there are still white moths?"
and did you ever run across an example of a christian finding a biologist to be mistaken about something?
Also of course, all of biology, geology etc is not all in one big immutable book, and one person can be mistaken in some idea, without that in the least invalidating or bringing into question the quality of science.
What you left out of all this is that the bible itself contains many things that are "mistaken in .....facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason".
this affects the credibility of the bible. if a person holds forth on biology when he is ignorant of it, that affects his personal credibility.
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I did ask about the moths, during a lecture. I don't think I stood up.
The thing about the textbook is the pictures of embryos are supplied, not called proof, but certainly we were expected to accept them as proof. Recapituation Theory was taught until I pointed out that it was proven false by biologists.
I still believe humility is required on all sides as there is still more to learn about biology and the bible.
The thing about the textbook is the pictures of embryos are supplied, not called proof, but certainly we were expected to accept them as proof. Recapituation Theory was taught until I pointed out that it was proven false by biologists.
I still believe humility is required on all sides as there is still more to learn about biology and the bible.
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The big problem I have is with the snotty attitude of the OP, he assumes that we are all uneducated idiots if we disagree with him.
I may be an idiot, but it shouldn't be assumed until I prove it.
I may be an idiot, but it shouldn't be assumed until I prove it.
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Let me try this. (The OP is so old, the poster is probably dead by now)
How many of you evolutionists have ever read a science textbook? I'm curious too. Do you believe evolution is a fact because you have seen and weighed the evidence, or do you believe it because someone told you it is the smart thing to believe? I'm not talking about watching Nova on PBS, I am talking about Univerisity Level Biology Courses.
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Im sorry to hear you would interrupt a lecture to ask a silly question.
i would be annoyed too if i were teaching.
i heard a prof make a mistake in lecture, in a comparataive anatomy class. AFTER class, i stayed and mentioned it; next day in class he credited me, and corrected himself.
The quality of american education is quite poor in some places, especially in high school IF someone on the college level anywhere actually is so profoundly ignorant of science as to expect someone to accept something as PROOF, they should be fired. I dont believe anyone said or implied such a thing.
Humility is a good thing. Note tho in science we never had an infallible pope, nor an inerrant book.
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Evolution is a theory nd in science we like to keep the word 'fact" and the word 'theory" separate.
"evolutionists' is kind of an odd term really, for the educated population of the world, minus a few creationists.
As for myself, i have a year into a masters in a life science program.
so yes , i have rad books, including the bible.
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He's still knocking about, I believe
Being a physics graduate, I've read a great many.
Originally the latter (virtually all children believe what an authority figure, like a teacher or parent, tells them), but now the latter - I'm old enough and smart enough to read the literature myself. The evidence, in my opinion, is overwhelming in favour of common descent.
I confess to never having read a university-level biology textbook or taken an associated course, but the evidence is readily available by other means. Google is your friend
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I was just wunderin how it'd feel to have the question reversed, thats all.
Can't science be questioned about moths? OK, now I know. I was polite.
Dude, I said do you believe evolution is a fact...not is it a fact or a theory.
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